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Ask HN: Why are Gemini CLI and Claude Code TUIs so terrible?

5 points·by oblio·7 tháng trước·4 comments

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oblio
·Hôm qua·discuss
How do you even imagine I can reply to your comment?

In what universe was your comment a high quality comment? Especially for a place like HN.
oblio
·Hôm kia·discuss
Online zealotry is just blowing off steam. True political action happens in real life and most of it is just mobilizing people to do what they know deep down is right but real life or laziness stop them from doing

And of course it can fail. But just saying "nothing works" and "everyone is the same" is even worse, it's just guaranteed loss.
oblio
·Hôm kia·discuss
The existence of Telegram doesn't negate the fact that WhatsApp is the world's most popular instant messaging platform, and the others aren't even close.

And Telegram is a lot more developed and has a much larger percentage of the global instant messenger marketshare, compared to Github vs CodeBerg.
oblio
·Hôm kia·discuss
Ah, you're a hobbit, I see?

https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcqo6lloZ41qgzdhjo15_r1_2...

"Keep your nose out of trouble and no trouble will come to you".

I used to be a hobbit, too, when I was 19.

It does NOT work. Politics is everywhere, we're social animals.

The only winning move is to do whatever we can to protect democracy and pick the least damaging idiot, and if we accidentally pick the most damaging idiot, get them out of power as quickly as we can.
oblio
·Hôm kia·discuss
This is the worst approach to politics. I would use harsher words.

Yes, people are corrupt. The world isn't binary. Some people are more corrupt than others.

Otherwise Argentina would be Germany and Brazil the US.

People matter and differences matter.

In politics a smart person chooses the lesser evil. Intelligent people don't vote saints, they vote for people that burn their house down less often.
oblio
·Hôm kia·discuss
The cost of surface level rewrites has crashed. Which will probably cover 80% of cases. Caveat emptor on which side your project falls.
oblio
·Hôm kia·discuss
Edsger W. Dijkstra:

"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence!"
oblio
·Hôm kia·discuss
AI <<can>> do a lot of things, but does it actually do that without an exhaustive test suite (which legacy software generally doesn't have, and it can never be 100%, anyway)?

Between context collapse and hallucinations, how likely is it that the end result isn't slightly polished slop that misses lots of crucial details?
oblio
·Hôm kia·discuss
Why does every country in the world have to look like the US?
oblio
·3 ngày trước·discuss
> That sounds like an extremely obnoxious judgement.

Or just a cultural difference.
oblio
·3 ngày trước·discuss
> I mean, how many CEOs of major German companies are non-German?

A quick headcount says Mercedes, Adidas, Bayer,...

https://www.consultancy.eu/news/1605/one-third-of-executives...

It pays off to do the actual research before passing judgment.
oblio
·3 ngày trước·discuss
It's worse than that. If Apple were banned, someone else would fill their spot.
oblio
·3 ngày trước·discuss
The ones I'm talking about had the most active unions.
oblio
·3 ngày trước·discuss
I highly recommend reading "The Box", about the history of the shipping container.

Longshoremen literally retired early and were paid pensions out of corporate profits from container related productivity increases.
oblio
·4 ngày trước·discuss
LOL. Go do more research if you have issues with their approach. HN really likes to assume that everyone except themselves are idiots.
oblio
·4 ngày trước·discuss
In Europe it's done through EuroNCAP: https://etsc.eu/cars-will-need-buttons-not-just-touchscreens...

It has already started asking for physical buttons for key functions to give manufacturers the top safety rating, and it's working. Buttons are coming back.
oblio
·4 ngày trước·discuss
Ok... let's say the profession is destroyed. Who maintains all these ever increasing piles of code? Who figures out the requirements, who creates specifications? Who solves issues that are reported by users?

LLMs/turtles all the way down?
oblio
·5 ngày trước·discuss
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

The steam engine was invented in 1765 (+/-) but employment crashed in the textile industry starting in 1815, 50 years later.

LLMs were practically invented in 2017, 9 years ago.

Of course, software is software and we live in a faster age, but guess what, human needs and desires are infinite so requirements keep going up.

At this point I have 0 trust in purely agentic coding (i.e. the 0 supervision approach). YouTube randomly stops displaying subtitles, Gemini CLI (before its shutdown) and Claude Code suffer from constant refresh glitches, the Gemini and Claude mobile websites are synchronous, like we're living in the 60s (if I minimize Firefox both Claude and Gemini stop answering and Gemini until about 1 month ago would also lose my prompt - this is the kind of thing people were fired for in the past, etc). If this level of buginess is the best agentic coding can produce with unlimited state of the art mega corp tokens, software itself will collapse faster than the job market.

Claiming that there will be no more SDEs of any kind, worldwide, in max 2 years, is an extreme position.

I'm not even an SDE. If they're turkeys, AI boosters are pheasants :-p

And I know why the legitimate AI boosters do it. They were genuinely impressed by what they saw in agents, especially since many hated programming anyway. They extended the line into the future and assumed complexity was linear. These people looked at LLMs and agents and didn't see what was there, but what could be (frequently from a position of major SciFi consumers through their entire lives, as all techies are).

Optimism is a positive, extreme optimism is a great flaw.
oblio
·5 ngày trước·discuss
The real test for your theory is what people do when they're not getting paid. I have never in my life heard of a large forum/subreddit/WhatsApp group for cleaning toilets. There are no toilet cleaning meetups.

Some, actually many, jobs are just shitty.
oblio
·5 ngày trước·discuss
Keep in mind that a good chunk of people here are basically AI boosters: they work for AI companies, sell AI courses and training and certifications, own shares or otherwise benefit from AI companies doing well. Oh, also, lots and lots of marketers. Gitlab kind of exposed this a while ago, their marketing division had alerts based on HN keywords, their marketers were literally expected to be on-call to these keywords and even had a sort of lite SLA to respond to those keywords (stuff like Github, they were supposed to insert themselves in the conversation).

To the direct point: I've used AI for a lot of things. It's good, you can definitely build some things faster. It's far from perfect.

Also, if we were sooooo close to AGI, why would Anthropic and OpenAI continue hiring SDEs like mad, which they are? Why would Claude & co have embarassing bugs years after release (the glitchy scrolling bug, their websites being fully synchronous in 2026!!)? Etc.