sndman · HackerTrans

3 năm trướcdiscuss

This is not correct. You have to look at the historical context and the fact that this is an anti-colonial liberation resistance struggle since about 1929. If you don't understand the root cause of the Palestinian Israeli conflict, you've completely missed the cause of the violence. The root cause is the racist Zionist ideology that, in its implementation in Mandatory Palestine, needed (and still needs) to eliminate the Native population in its acquisition of land. This is clear if you look closely at the settler violence in the West Bank. This is a war for land.

sndman

3 năm trướcdiscuss

It's not a religious war. It's an anti-colonial struggle.

An understanding of events of October 7 starts with an understanding of the historical context of Palestine and Israel: most of the coverage of the events of October 7 deal with the symptoms of the violence and not the source. An understanding of the source of the violence, by no means justified, is needed.

This history starts with an understanding of Zionism, an ideology that is racist, not in its origin, but in the way it manifested itself in the land of Mandatory Palestine. And this racism is part of the settler colonial movement where the logic of the elimination of the Native was activated. These elimination policies were in the DNA of the Zionist encounters with the Natives of Palestine in the late 19th century. They wanted as much of the land of Palestine as possible with as few of the Palestinians as possible. There was always the demographic dimension as well as the geographic dimension in the earliest policies of the Zionist movement and into what later became Israel. The more space the Zionists had, the less space the indigenous people had. These elimination policies could take different forms: genocide, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and they take different forms in different places. What happened in Gaza cannot be taken out of this context of Zionists/Israeli elimination and the ethnic cleansing of half of the population of Palestine that took place in 1947-1949 and the destruction of over 500 villages. The ruins of some of these same destroyed villages where the attackers originated from, and were next to the kibbutzim that were attacked. None of this justifies the violence that took place on October 7 but is needed to understand the source of the violence. The source of this violence is the racist ideology, of a racist Zionist ideology that needs to eliminate the Native. Zionism is not unique in this regard and is similar to other European colonial settler movements that desired to eliminate the native populations on the land they colonized.

sndman

3 năm trướcdiscuss

An understanding of events of October 7 starts with an understanding of the historical context of Palestine and Israel: most of the coverage of the events of October 7 deal with the symptoms of the violence and not the source. An understanding of the source of the violence, by no means justified, is needed.

This history starts with an understanding of Zionism, an ideology that is racist, not in its origin, but in the way it manifested itself in the land of Mandatory Palestine. And this racism is part of the settler colonial movement where the logic of the elimination of the Native was activated. These elimination policies were in the DNA of the Zionist encounters with the Natives of Palestine in the late 19th century. They wanted as much of the land of Palestine as possible with as few of the Palestinians as possible. There was always the demographic dimension as well as the geographic dimension in the earliest policies of the Zionist movement and into what later became Israel. The more space the Zionists had, the less space the indigenous people had. These elimination policies could take different forms: genocide, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and they take different forms in different places. What happened in Gaza cannot be taken out of this context of Zionists/Israeli elimination and the ethnic cleansing of half of the population of Palestine that took place in 1947-1949 and the destruction of over 500 villages. The ruins of some of these same destroyed villages where the attackers originated from, and were next to the kibbutzim that were attacked. None of this justifies the violence that took place on October 7 but is needed to understand the source of the violence. The source of this violence is the racist ideology, of a racist Zionist ideology that needs to eliminate the Native. Zionism is not unique in this regard and is similar to other European colonial settler movements that desired to eliminate the native populations on the land they colonized.

sndman

3 năm trướcdiscuss

Chappelle is a genius. And he's not even Jewish ;-)

What bothers me about articles like this is (regardless of its veracity) that when other claims of ethic supremacy (since they often have nothing to do with Judaism) is that there's an unmentioned claim of genetic supremacy (you must have the genes of a Jewish mother, regardless of whether she was a good mom or not, and regardless of whether you were raised in Judaism).

What exactly is the point of such genetically-based claims of Jewish ancestry?

Why do we feel uncomfortable reading claims of Asian claims of musical superiority? Or dark skinned NBA players/athletes? Are ethnic Germans just superior classical music composers, mathematicians, or physicists?

Zukerman is famous for saying in a master class at Juilliard, "In Korea they don't sing".

Articles like this are just insensitive and offensive cultural and ethnic stereotypes.

sndman

3 năm trướcdiscuss

>“We’re here because we want this to be a normal state, you understand?” she said, “just like the United States or France or Germany. We don’t want this country to be taken over by those fanatics with their beards and their religion.”

I think its important to point out that Israel has never (and may never) be considered a normal state since it has been practicing apartheid against the Arabs [1].

It started with the ethnic cleansing of over 750,000 Native Arabs from over 530 villages and towns. These expelled, exiled, and stateless human beings are still living in refugee camps.

That's not a democracy and it's not normal.

[1] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-... https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/07/19/israeli-apartheid-thresh... https://www.btselem.org/apartheid ... etc.

sndman

4 năm trướcdiscuss

> In 1948, Palestinian irregulars led by Amin al-Husseini, who had been The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who spied for he Nazis and was a guest of Hitler's in Berlin during WWII and who organized SS troops for he Nazis from Bosnia, as well as 5 Arab nations all sought to destroy Israel. They lost.

That narrative has been debunked by historians (both Arab and Israeli) for quite some time. I would encourage you to look at recent documentaries (Tantura (2022), Blue Box (2021), etc.). These run counter to the Christian Zionist narrative promulgated by a strong (and very well funded) Israeli lobby.

sndman

4 năm trướcdiscuss

When there is an article about Israeli researchers delving into the history of the land they have stolen, I pay attention because my family was ethnically cleansed from this land in 1948 because we were not Jewish. We were part of over 750,000 Natives exiled from their land, dispossessed and exiled. And not allowed to return.

Israeli citizens are not aware of their shameful past (ethnic cleansing, massacres, looting, and rapes) that took place in 1947-1949.

sndman

4 năm trướcdiscuss

Oy Ye! Which comment was antisemitic?

Is any criticism of Israel now antisemitism?

"A nation that doesn't know its past, has a dull present and a future shrouded in fog" --Yigal Alon

sndman

4 năm trướcdiscuss

This is a great idea. I've often written small chunks of code in my favorite other language (scheme). I find this very satisfying.

Of course, I only do this after finishing the original task. Sometimes, it's possible to work up prototypes in your favorite other language before starting the main task. This often leads to better code (i.e. less code).

sndman

4 năm trướcdiscuss

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sndman

4 năm trướcdiscuss

> susceptible to dogmatically motivated biases.

Indeed. And it's not just biblical archaeology. The Israeli government influence and corruption extends to most academics.

When the Israeli academy is under control, a government can carefully construct its own history and when there is evidence of historical religious claims, well then, one can even reclaim ancient lands.

Also, a government can also confiscate land and open up a theme part based on this "research". Don't laugh. Ever hear of City of David?

This distrust of Israeli "historians" and it's treatment of Ilan Pappe even started the modern BDS movement

https://www.counterpunch.org/2005/05/11/tantura-teddy-katz-a...

sndman

4 năm trướcdiscuss

It's not clear to me why human rights abuses by Israel or their practice of apartheid on non-Jews in the West Bank and Gaza should bother anyone at google. Morality or ethics was never in the equation.

Only immense political and consumer pressure will alter the behavior of colonial settler apartheid South Africa^H^H^H^H^H^H Israel.

sndman

4 năm trướcdiscuss

Interesting interview today with Ariel Koren, a former Google employee who says she was pushed out for her activism, as well as Gabriel Schubiner at

https://www.democracynow.org/2022/9/1/google_project_nimbus_...

sndman

4 năm trướcdiscuss

Let's not confuse Zionist ideology with Judaism. One is a peaceful religion whose followers understand commandment #8 (no stealing (e.g. land, property, etc.)).

And the other is a Fascist (even Einstein called the Irgun massacre 240 people (of Deir Yassin) a Fascist act of Menachem Begin (see his NYT letter December 4, 1948)), apartheid, militarized, racist government.

I think your main narrative is false and, after reading (at least) three major human rights reports (Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, and B'Tselem) in the last 2 years, many now regard Israel as practicing apartheid in the occupied territories of the West Bank and Gaza.

This wasn't (and isn't) a war of equals: I think if you read history carefully (Ilan Pappe, Benny Thomas, etc) this is an colonial settler occupying force inflicting apartheid on indigenous non-Jews. All Native people have a right to resist occupation and apartheid. See the Battle of Algiers recently? This is how occupied people resist their colonial overlords. At some point, one must stop calling any criticism of Israel human rights abuses antisemitism. There is indeed antisemitism but advocating for human rights of non-Jews in a "democratic" state is not antisemitic.

In 1948, over 750,000 non-Jews were ethnically cleansed from their homes and villages. My parents left Haifa in May 1948 as the city was ethnically cleansed. They didn't leave voluntarily. The Haganah were rolling barrels full of explosives into Arab neighborhoods to terrorize the local residents. It was also a psychological terror campaign: what the Haganah called a "Jewish Whispering campaign". In other words, they advertised the Deir Yassin massacre over loudspeakers (in Arabic) to warn the non-Jews about what was going to happen to them if they stayed. See the Israeli assessment of "migration" from June 30, 1948 at https://www.haaretz.co.il/st/inter/Heng/1948.pdf.

Over 500 villages were burned and/or bulldozed to prevent the return of those expelled. Over 300,000 non-Jews were expelled before Israel was declared a state (May 14, 1948). It was only after this initial wave of migration that the neighboring armies began conflict to prevent the further expulsion of Native non-Jews. After Israel's creation, another 400,000 Indigenous non-Jews were expelled from their towns and villages

(From Migration of Eretz Yisrael Arabs between December 1, 1947 and June 1, 1948 url is above)

"In reviewing the factors that affected migration, we list the factors that had a definitive effect on population migration. Other factors, localized and smaller scale, are listed in the special reviews of migration movement in each district. The factors, in order of importance, are: 1. Direct Jewish hostile actions against Arab communities. 2. Impact of our hostile actions against communities neighboring where migrants lived (here – particularly – the fall of large neighboring communities). 3. Actions taken by the Dissidents [Irgun, Lehi]. 4. Orders and directives issued by Arab institutions and gangs. 5. Jewish Whispering operations [psychological warfare] intended to drive Arabs to flee. 6. Evacuation ultimatums. 7. Fear of Jewish retaliation upon a major Arab attack on Jews. 8. The appearance of gangs and foreign fighters near the village. 9. Fear of an Arab invasion and its consequences (mostly near the borders). 10. Arab villages isolated within purely Jewish areas. 11. Various local factors and general fear of what was to come."

So the non-Jews did not appear to leave voluntarily. When people flee for their lives (and are not allowed to return to their homes (because they have been destroyed), we call this ethnic cleansing. It's a crime against humanity.

It isn't that complicated: Zionists want the land but there are people already living on it. What do you do with the non-Jews already there? Israel massacred some of them and drove the rest out to neighboring countries (Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and into the West Bank and Gaza). The exiled are still there. Just visit a Palestinian refugee camp and you can meet them. And why are they angry? They want to return to their destroyed villages. They want their homes back. They want their possessions returned.

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