What about the non-religious claim: “There’s not an all-powerful being that is behind everything”? Just as “indefensible”, just as “implausible”, just as “insane”. The sole difference is that it doesn’t involve worship, and therefore categorically isn’t “religious”.
These are axioms, you cannot derive them, you can only derive from them. Saying “my axioms are rational, yours are ‘insane’!” is frankly childish, and speaks to a deep lack of understanding of the essence of reason.
I was trying to understand what you meant by “insane”, but you already moved the goalposts to “implausible”, so it’s not clear to me that you even know what you’re claiming.
However, if I were to take a guess, it’s something like “people sometimes believe things without proof”. But obviously this is not true only of religious people, other people have their own creation stories – the sole difference is their’s don’t involve worship. And I agree they can’t all be right, but perhaps one of them is.
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The passage from revelation again says nothing of eternity, the word death is rather absolute - the case would be much stronger if it finished “… which is where they suffer without end”.
As for the parable, the passage states that his imprisonment was “until he could repay his debts”. This suggests he may be able to repay them eventually, at which point he’ll be free. It could be interpreted that after an appropriate amount of time spent experiencing the punishment of fire, perhaps until the balance is settled for whatever your transgressions were, you will no longer being in the fire.
Blasphemy against the Spirit is an interesting case, I could see potentially that one class of transgressors being sentenced to eternal punishment. Alternatively, it could be saying that one who blasphemed against the Spirit has had their heart hardened so much that they will never seek forgiveness, and therefor will never get it. Their end isn’t specified here.
In all this I’m not saying that the “eternal conscious torment” perspective is wrong, just that there are other interpretations which are just as based.
If you have the time, I highly recommend the “Three Views of Hell” lecture series^, which goes into far more detail than I could manage here, including going through every verse in the Bible which speaks of anything related to what we now consider “Hell”.
^search “the narrow path” for the three views of hell lecture.
There may not be a proper US example. But if you ask a western LLM about the impact of the 20th century Nordic involuntary sterilizations, you’ll see some heavy RLHF fingerprints. Not going to make an argument one way or another on that, other than to say I would not expect the same answers from a Chinese LLM.
We’ll see soon enough, no use debating now. But I’d put money on them not showing any examples that might get them caught up in a media frenzy regarding whether they’re x-ist or anti-x-ic or anything of the sort, regardless of what the underlying ground truth in their specific questions might be.
You’ll note even on this platform, generally regarded as open and pseudo-anonymous, only a single relevant example has been put forward.
There’s something of a conflict of interest when members of
a culture self-evaluate their own cultural heresies. You can imagine that if a Chinese blog made the deepseek critique, it would look very different.
It would be far more interesting to get the opposite party’s perspective.
Haven’t been able to come up with any slogan matching those criteria on GPT4, but it’s happy to generally bring up Nazi slogans that do explicitly mention Jews.
The need to manage data access on the server does not go away when you stop using javascript. Is there something specifically about Swing that somehow provides proper access control, or is it simply the case that it is slightly more work to circumvent the front end when it doesn’t ship with built in dev tools?
Sure, but I wouldn’t expect deepseek to either. And if any model did, I’d damn sure not bet my life on it not hallucinating. Either way, that’s not heresy.
I have to wonder what “true, but x-ist” heresies^ western models will only say in b64. Is there a Chinese form where everyone’s laughing about circumventing the censorship regimes of the west?
The idea of Hell most popular is the “eternal conscious torment” view, which gives us the “don’t be bad or you’ll burn in Hell forever” perspective. That’s fairly new, and several other interpretations are just as biblical as it, if not more. Your quote for instance doesn’t explain what happens after the weeping and gnashing of teeth, some believe you become reunited with the Lord, others believe you are eliminated from existence.