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Bing is not as bad as you think

blog.nilch.org
6 分·作者 UnmappedStack·6个月前·3 评论

Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

nilch.org
199 分·作者 UnmappedStack·7个月前·76 评论

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UnmappedStack
·6个月前·讨论
It'd be very interesting to run the same experiment except rather than on different engines, just on different versions of Google in different years. Sadly I can't really search 2005 Google anymore of course but it would be interesting nonetheless to see if it's Google in general or rather the recent "enshittification" of their results. It may be intriguing to expand to survey takers outside of Reddit to get a potentially less biased set of results, yes.
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
Yeahhh I like to think of it as search like it's 2015...
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
Yeah I really do need to, I'm not sure why I didn't from the start...
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
I actually did not know if these, but I definitely will implement those!
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
Woah it was because I had run out of API credits, fixed! I'll improve the error screen for that. Sorry, did not expect this traffic, it's had several thousand searches today!
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
I see, that is odd and I haven't run into that yet, thank you! I'll have a look into it and try to reproduce the issue, which browser+OS are you on?
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
That's fair enough. For the record I do intend to apply for a non-profit official entity. I would say it still has a role as opposed to Brave considering the lack of advertising though.
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
Sure, would've made for a chunky post title tho :P
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
Yup, it is pretty much just a better frontend for existing search. I want to build my own index and ranking algorithm in the future, but sadly it's quite resource intensive so it will depend on financial viability a bit in terms of timeframe.
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
Oh! I will make sure to fix that, thank you for the bug report!
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
That is very true, and it's not cheap to maintain. I do however really hope that donations can cover it enough, and I have plans about other ways to monetise it while remaining not-for-profit without ads or anything that affects the user.
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
Honestly I agree. This is part of what I love about the idea of Kagi. I do believe a not-for-profit alternative is needed, however if there's any for-profit model a search engine should have, it should be paid for by the user rather than the advertiser imo.
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
I do intend to support this and have actually already been asked to!
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
This is a really interesting view, but I'm not sure I agree. So many amazing projects are truly free without the goal of profit yet their maintainers still do amazing work. I feel like part of the reason this works is because often the load is split between several maintainers (of which I hope to onboard soon, and have one or two offers already from people to contribute) and also the fact it's genuinely something enjoyable to work on (of course, to the extent it's not too stressful and overworked).
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
As far as I'm aware, Ecosia does sell ads.
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
This is sadly probably quite true. I'm sure there are workarounds, like slightly changing it every month or two, although that would require quite heavy maintenance. Perhaps the core algorithm stays the same but some constants that decide on the weights of different things are randomised? Not too sure.
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
I see nilch as slightly more about being simplistic and not having many features that are unnecessary. I do share many of the values and benefits with searxng (and really love their work!), however this is also about my own specific desire for something that is clean and has very little that is unnecessary.
UnmappedStack
·7个月前·讨论
Thank you! I would definitely consider custom ddg bangs, yes. Is there any particular reason you want that rather than just all ddg's bangs like it is currently?

I'll have a look into that project, thank you. Cost is a slight issue so far, yes. There have been about 4,000 searches in the past couple days but I've slightly improved cost efficiency with caching, and I've received two small donations which do help a bit, so the hope is that donations will be able to sustain it.

Partnering with Ecosia is a really interesting idea, however I think that there may be a conflict of interest since they do aim to make money with ads, just to go towards environmental efforts rather than a corporation. They would be disadvantaged if nilch was at an advantage over their users.

I do love the wikipedia model and I hope that nilch can run similarly. Thank you again!