Tina Turner has died(independent.co.uk)
independent.co.uk
Tina Turner has died
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/tina-turner-dies-illness-b2345195.html
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I did not know she outlived both of her children. I can't imagine how terrible that must be. RIP.
Parents should never, ever, burry their children. There is nothing in this world I am truly afraid of, apart from this. I know it would break me, irrepairably, and make me a shadow of myself.
Respect and deepest sympathies to anybody who went through that, and found will to continue life as much as possible.
Respect and deepest sympathies to anybody who went through that, and found will to continue life as much as possible.
A couple within my extended family had to bury their daughter who contracted breast cancer in her mid-30s.
The daughter died around 15 years ago and any mention of her makes her father well up in tears. The father occasionally says he's ready to die and be with his daughter in the afterlife.
His wife isn't too happy about him saying such things. I just mention it to show just how much it has hurt him, and he wishes to be with his daughter .
As a father of young children I occasionally think about how I would feel if I lost one of my children. I usually don't go too far down that line of thinking before I stop. Even the thought of it all is too much for me.
The daughter died around 15 years ago and any mention of her makes her father well up in tears. The father occasionally says he's ready to die and be with his daughter in the afterlife.
His wife isn't too happy about him saying such things. I just mention it to show just how much it has hurt him, and he wishes to be with his daughter .
As a father of young children I occasionally think about how I would feel if I lost one of my children. I usually don't go too far down that line of thinking before I stop. Even the thought of it all is too much for me.
I had a dream where one of my children died - and just that depressed me for weeks and put me in a major funk. And it was just a dream. I can't imagine it actually happening, and as you say, I don't want to.
That first line of your post is such a spot-on description of what I - and supposedly many other parents - have felt ever since I've had children. It's also something I believe you cannot quite grasp until you've become a parent yourself.
Just a century or two ago parents would bury half of their children at a young age. The heaven is now.
That did not make it any less of a tragedy.
Depends on what you mean. The past is a different country; they do things differently there. Judging attitudes of the ancients from our current situation may lead to self-deception.
At least some people grow callous in face of ubiquitous dangers. Otherwise people would not be able to fight in wars or survive in pre-modern cities where mortality from diseases now considered banal was actually comparable to a constant low-intensity war.
A lot of ancient societies did not even consider infants as people until they reached certain age, precisely because their chance of death was too high. If you experience something 7 or 10 times and most other people around you do as well, you will get used to it. We are just built that way. It sounds horrible to a modern person and may attract some downvotes, but premature death was omnipresent and, as such, probably less of a tragedy than today.
Looking at the old folk songs etc., their lyrics often do mention happy/unhappy love, or complicated relations with parents or the nobility, but rarely deaths in the family. If someone's death is mentioned in a folk song, it is often a young soldier - a valuable person (strong, suitable for agricultural tasks) whose life was unnecessarily wasted.
Plus, the societies back then were way more religious than today, and eternal life was considered a given. This is yet another thing we mostly cannot fathom today, especially hard-core engineering skeptics here on the HN, but people in the past really did believe their own religion and it helped them with their grief.
At least some people grow callous in face of ubiquitous dangers. Otherwise people would not be able to fight in wars or survive in pre-modern cities where mortality from diseases now considered banal was actually comparable to a constant low-intensity war.
A lot of ancient societies did not even consider infants as people until they reached certain age, precisely because their chance of death was too high. If you experience something 7 or 10 times and most other people around you do as well, you will get used to it. We are just built that way. It sounds horrible to a modern person and may attract some downvotes, but premature death was omnipresent and, as such, probably less of a tragedy than today.
Looking at the old folk songs etc., their lyrics often do mention happy/unhappy love, or complicated relations with parents or the nobility, but rarely deaths in the family. If someone's death is mentioned in a folk song, it is often a young soldier - a valuable person (strong, suitable for agricultural tasks) whose life was unnecessarily wasted.
Plus, the societies back then were way more religious than today, and eternal life was considered a given. This is yet another thing we mostly cannot fathom today, especially hard-core engineering skeptics here on the HN, but people in the past really did believe their own religion and it helped them with their grief.
My grandmother lost a child, an aunt that had serious issues (Down syndrome) that died when she was still quite young. In spite of the other 9 kids that she had this was the one that was most on her mind and I doubt she ever really got over it.
I know a few other stories like that, from that same era, ~ 100 years ago now. And I do not know any counterexamples that showed people took the loss of a child less serious back then, or that it was less of a tragedy. I can't look back further into history from first hand. But 100 years ago the feelings seemed to be much the same that they are today.
Chances are that further back in the past that you were right and that had different attitudes but that may have to be much further back.
I know a few other stories like that, from that same era, ~ 100 years ago now. And I do not know any counterexamples that showed people took the loss of a child less serious back then, or that it was less of a tragedy. I can't look back further into history from first hand. But 100 years ago the feelings seemed to be much the same that they are today.
Chances are that further back in the past that you were right and that had different attitudes but that may have to be much further back.
I was thinking of a more distant past, like prior to 1700 or 1800 in the West, when 8 kids dying young and 2 surviving into adulthood was an unsurprising count. It must have felt normal in Constantinople or Rome.
I think it works both ways. Some day in the future, ordinary people won't believe how we, inhabitants of the early 21st century, would just somehow psychologically accept dying before turning 120.
I think it works both ways. Some day in the future, ordinary people won't believe how we, inhabitants of the early 21st century, would just somehow psychologically accept dying before turning 120.
Ok, that makes it indeed much more common. And the plague years were especially bad in that respect, whole villages wiped out.
I'm not sure about living to 120, if you could do it with body and mind of a 45 year old I'd say bring it on but otherwise I think I'd pass.
I'm not sure about living to 120, if you could do it with body and mind of a 45 year old I'd say bring it on but otherwise I think I'd pass.
Do you think it would be different for a parent in their 90's to see one of their kids die at 67?
No. A loss of a child is a loss of a child. I have heard people say that parents of 4 or 5 children should feel less of a loss if one of their children dies, than a parent who only has one or two children. It just doesn't work that way.
really just depends on the person.
why would that be? they're still your kids
Distance? I only have young, pre-teen kids, but based on my own relationships with my parents, the closeness we once had has shifted to my "new" immediate family. I expect there will come a time with my own kids where we're just not as "close" as we once were. I wonder if that has any impact on how some people process grief (it seemed to, from witnessing aunts/uncles who died before my grandparents, and how they processed it).
I can also add that a lot of my anxiety around the sudden loss of the child is the thought of their life being cut short. Everything that they could have experienced, all the potential -- gone. Sure, when you're in your 60's you still have lots of life left to live, but the weight of life being "cut too short" just doesn't seem like it'd feel as heavy as say, the death of a child, teen, or a young adult in their early 20's.
I can also add that a lot of my anxiety around the sudden loss of the child is the thought of their life being cut short. Everything that they could have experienced, all the potential -- gone. Sure, when you're in your 60's you still have lots of life left to live, but the weight of life being "cut too short" just doesn't seem like it'd feel as heavy as say, the death of a child, teen, or a young adult in their early 20's.
My Mum visited her Dad maybe once a week at most, but even in his 80s, whenever she visited he'd make her favourite sandwiches, try to give her money, take care of her car. She died in hospital, and he was holding her hand telling her she would be ok. It totally broke him - he had a series of strokes causing his dementia to worsen quickly, and he died within a year.
Obviously not true of every parent-child relationship, but when it is true, it hurts.
Obviously not true of every parent-child relationship, but when it is true, it hurts.
Knowledge that they weren't taken as a child, that they got to experience a fuller life.
That's one of the negative aspects of living a long life that didn't occur to me until my grandmother, who lived to 100 told me. She said it's sad because all of her friends had died, all of her siblings, and one of her sons died.
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Linked article has autoplaying sound, here's one that doesn't (in case anybody else cares)
https://www.reuters.com/world/singer-tina-turner-dies-aged-8...
https://www.reuters.com/world/singer-tina-turner-dies-aged-8...
You're simply the best.
I became aware of her as a teen seeing Goldeneye in the theaters. I remember it as one of the times where you think to yourself, I must find this song. (It was much harder back in the day, fortunately, the Bond movies always make a big deal of who is singing the theme). As far a Bond themes go, it's second only to Duran Duran's view to a kill. In any case, I'm glad that led me to her incredible voice and catalogue.
The sheer power of her performing at 69:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXIm2xlzct8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXIm2xlzct8
Very sad, when I first started learning Abelton years ago, The Best was one of the first tracks I tried remixing: https://share.getcloudapp.com/wbuLoOY6
She was a great performer. Just pure raw power that you could feel even when she would do a slight head twist. She was simply the best.
Nooo.
My dad claimed ages ago he briefly went to high school with her in St. Louis, MO. Is this the case or is he making it up?
My dad claimed ages ago he briefly went to high school with her in St. Louis, MO. Is this the case or is he making it up?
I wikipedia'ed it for the lazy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tina_Turner
> When Bullock was 16, her grandmother died, so she went to live with her mother in St. Louis. She graduated from Sumner High School(1) in 1958.
(1) Sumner High School, also known as Charles H. Sumner High School, is a St. Louis public high school that was the first high school for African-American students west of the Mississippi River in the United States.
When was your dad in high school? Is he African-American? Chances are it could be true.
Edit to add: and if your dad didn't go to this school, maybe she went to another high school before moving to and graduating from this one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tina_Turner
> When Bullock was 16, her grandmother died, so she went to live with her mother in St. Louis. She graduated from Sumner High School(1) in 1958.
(1) Sumner High School, also known as Charles H. Sumner High School, is a St. Louis public high school that was the first high school for African-American students west of the Mississippi River in the United States.
When was your dad in high school? Is he African-American? Chances are it could be true.
Edit to add: and if your dad didn't go to this school, maybe she went to another high school before moving to and graduating from this one.
RIP to the Acid Queen.
The orignal movie "Tommy" in 1975 was a video storytelling version of the groundbreaking "rock opera" that had been written & performed by The Who, earlier than their appearance at Woodstock in 1969.
Roger Daltrey performed most of the vocals in the movie along with playing the lead character, but Tina Turner was brought in as the Acid Queen and nailed it. A sight to behold on the big screen and I had seen her concert during the same time frame in 1974 which was also beyond compare.
Roger Daltrey performed most of the vocals in the movie along with playing the lead character, but Tina Turner was brought in as the Acid Queen and nailed it. A sight to behold on the big screen and I had seen her concert during the same time frame in 1974 which was also beyond compare.
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That man has a way with words.
RIP. Era defining legend.
Tina Turner has a special place in my heart. I wished to see her and David Bowie live but I missed both.
Listening to "Nutbush City Limits" today.
Weird, I thought she was already dead. Seem to have a vague memory of it happening in the last year or so.
Beyond an extraordinary singing career, she had a memorable role in "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome".
She had a hit[0] song that was in that movie too, "We Don't Need Another Hero (Thunderdome)"[1]
[0] 'It peaked at number two on the US Billboard Hot 100, behind only John Parr's "St. Elmo's Fire (Man in Motion)". It also reached number three in the United Kingdom and reached number one in Australia, Canada, Germany, Poland, Spain, Switzerland and West Germany.' wikipedia
[1] The music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcm-tOGiva0
[0] 'It peaked at number two on the US Billboard Hot 100, behind only John Parr's "St. Elmo's Fire (Man in Motion)". It also reached number three in the United Kingdom and reached number one in Australia, Canada, Germany, Poland, Spain, Switzerland and West Germany.' wikipedia
[1] The music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcm-tOGiva0
Not my line but will share here:
This is the perfect opportunity to be sure that moving forward we refer to any lazy susan as a tina turner.
This is the perfect opportunity to be sure that moving forward we refer to any lazy susan as a tina turner.
That reminded me of an old Letterman episode, and sure enough it is on youtube.
https://youtu.be/ThGey2EXaKs?t=65
It was a kitchen product called the 'Tuna Turner'. They set one up and she was a great sport in giving it a try and made the bit a lot more fun that it had a right to be.
https://youtu.be/ThGey2EXaKs?t=65
It was a kitchen product called the 'Tuna Turner'. They set one up and she was a great sport in giving it a try and made the bit a lot more fun that it had a right to be.
That movie is in my top 20 of all time. Not exactly sure why but something about it resonates “ we don’t need another hero … we don’t need to know the way home” ….
RIP
RIP
Oh no! This is really sad. RIP.
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Whew, this hits me right in the heart. Rest in Peace, Queen.