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The efficiency of truth: introducing the jot

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2 points·by ClayShentrup·قبل 7 أشهر·2 comments

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ClayShentrup
·قبل 11 يومًا·discuss
approval voting would be absolutely massive in impact, i think far beyond what you're imagining.
ClayShentrup
·قبل 15 يومًا·discuss
that's only true of federal elections, not universally tho.
ClayShentrup
·قبل 15 يومًا·discuss
LOL, it's cardinal (rated) not ordinal (ranked), but yeah.
ClayShentrup
·قبل 24 يومًا·discuss
i know. and my point was, that's irrational. other voters determine the election result YOU have to live with.
ClayShentrup
·قبل 25 يومًا·discuss
that person is STRATEGIC VOTERS, who are about 90% of the electorate. even if you want to vote honestly, you're still subject to the whims of other voters.

indeed, practically the only thing that matters in a voting method is the aggregate affect of what it achieves in light of other voters. YOUR vote will almost never make a difference. you could upgrade voting methods in exchange for giving up your right to vote, and you'd still be drastically better off.
ClayShentrup
·قبل 25 يومًا·discuss
it doesn't really matter how you define "honest". what matters is how people actually vote. the only really crucial distinction for "honest" versus "strategic" is that "honest" can't consider viability. in the simulations, we just use "approve everyone you like more than average". optimal strategy is to approve everyone you like more than the expected utility of the winner. https://rangevoting.net/RVstrat6

here's lots of detail. you can run the code for yourself. https://www.rangevoting.org/BayRegDum.html

here's a slightly different model from the late harvard stats phd, jameson quinn. https://electionscience.github.io/vse-sim/

don't "trust" anything. look at the data. you could also read the book "gaming the vote" by william poundstone.
ClayShentrup
·قبل 26 يومًا·discuss
score voting gets better results than the alternatives with ANY AMOUNT OF STRATEGIC VOTING.

https://www.rangevoting.org/BayRegsFig

https://electionscience.org/research-hub/tactical-voting-bas...
ClayShentrup
·قبل 26 يومًا·discuss
> That gains it a point but there are much better methods.

utterly false.

https://electionscience.github.io/vse-sim/vse-graph.html
ClayShentrup
·قبل 26 يومًا·discuss
> I vote my actual ranking

no you don't. take a warren supporter who votes biden to stop trump. that person ranks:

biden 1st, warren 2nd, trump 3rd

they don't want warren to be a spoiler.

http://rangevoting.net/TarrIrv
ClayShentrup
·قبل 26 يومًا·discuss
score voting is extremely good.

https://www.rangevoting.org/BayRegsFig

compressing it to approval voting doesn't hurt very much and makes the ballot extremely simple.

> I don't see how.

i just showed you how. better average voter satisfaction, better resistance to strategy, etc.

https://www.rangevoting.org/BayRegsFig

not to mention radically simpler:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190219005733/

https://sites.google.com/a/electology.org/www/approval-votin...

IRV is a strategic mess that maintains a two party system.

wonk.blog/duopoly

https://clayshentrup.medium.com/later-no-harm-72c44e145510

https://clayshentrup.medium.com/star-voting-is-simpler-than-...
ClayShentrup
·قبل 26 يومًا·discuss
thanks for actually knowing what you're talking about.
ClayShentrup
·قبل 26 يومًا·discuss
no it does not.

http://rangevoting.net/CoreSuppPocket https://wonk.blog/duopoly

approval voting actually DOES and it is better in every other way too.
ClayShentrup
·قبل 4 أشهر·discuss
preach, brudda.
ClayShentrup
·قبل 4 أشهر·discuss
what's so bad about IRV?

https://www.rangevoting.org/CoreSuppPocket https://www.rangevoting.org/BayRegsFig

https://web.archive.org/web/20190219005733/https://sites.goo...

https://clayshentrup.medium.com/later-no-harm-72c44e145510 https://clayshentrup.medium.com/star-voting-is-simpler-than-...
ClayShentrup
·قبل 4 أشهر·discuss
nailed it.
ClayShentrup
·قبل 4 أشهر·discuss
a common fallacy of basic logic.

with FPTP, strategic voting means NOT voting for your favorite. so at the very least, you'd "vote for the person you'd normally support under FPTP, _plus_ everyone you like better".

but in real life, a lot of people will use intermediate scores.

https://www.rangevoting.org/RVstrat6
ClayShentrup
·قبل 5 أشهر·discuss
there's no such thing as "acceptable" or not, there are just utilities and _relative_ satisfaction. you want to get the most satisfaction possible from the options you have.

https://www.rangevoting.org/RVstrat6

approval voting is insanely good at this.

https://www.rangevoting.org/BayRegsFig
ClayShentrup
·قبل 5 أشهر·discuss
massively false based on actual data. https://clayshentrup.medium.com/star-voting-is-simpler-than-...
ClayShentrup
·قبل 5 أشهر·discuss
this is dead simple. thousands of voters have had no problem. https://approval.vote/

if you really want to get into the game theory, here it is. https://www.rangevoting.org/RVstrat6
ClayShentrup
·قبل 5 أشهر·discuss
it's the worst of the commonly discussed alternatives.

https://www.rangevoting.org/BayRegsFig