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higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
> it would be impossible to hide.

There is nothing to hide if there is no data collected in the first place. Here in this video, you can see that even injuries sustained by people who took part in the trials are being rejected by the doctors citing as caused by "anxiety".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxqC9SiRh8

I think people are completely oblivious to this issue, and is under this fallacy that if there was something wrong with the vaccines, then the information will automatically appear in public perception. If you think this, you need to only look at how smoking went on for a long time without the people noticing any problem with it.

With vaccines, we know that the signal is killed right at the point of generation, because the medical practicioners are conditioned (being charitable here) to reject any injury as not being caused by the Vaccines.
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
The risks of Vaccines is not limited to the AEFI caused by a proper preparation of the Vaccine, but also include the problems with manufacturing such as this as well...

Also, I wonder what the foreign substance was.
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
>At this point with billions of people vaccinated around the world, the risk profiles are pretty accurate

No. With out no strictly mandated reporting of AEFIs, billions of administrated doses cannot indicate a safety profile..

Even with around 1% events reported, the serious events are around 1 in 5000

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28311640
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
>If serious adverse events are 1 in 100,000

They are not. They are like 1 in 5000 (still based on volutary reporting)

https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/vaccine-report-overview...
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
>Just get the vaccine, it's not hard.

Getting the Vaccine is easy. What is hard is to trust the what every biased, safety studies done on it and the fact the AEFI reporting system is not strictly mandated, indicating a bias from the authorities to not want to know about potential vaccine injuries.

As usual, this comment will get flagged. If you see this comment check back a bit later to see the shilling on HN.
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
Envious? I feel pity for them.

Poor suckers might live 200 years in a world devoid of any sort of fun.
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
>I mean that groups without any conflict of interest can gather population level data and evaluate for themselves how effective the vaccines are,

It won't work because for every such group, there will be 10 groups with high conflict of interest that can counter any finding of your hypothetical group, and journals with conflict of interests will reject the findings of that group, but instead give high visibility to the reports of high-conflict of interest groups..

Quickly no one will dare to research the said topic.
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
Sad place you live if you need to be batman to take care of yourself.
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
> Who is going to hold the vaccinated liable for any injuries they cause to other people..

They shouldn't. Instead the Vaccinated should probably ask that question to the people who sold them the vaccine.

>so call vaccine injury (almost all cases are made up)

Yea sure..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxqC9SiRh8
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
No they don't. They just need to hold the employer liable for any Vaccine injuries that might be caused by forced vaccinations.
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
> Who is to stop me doing that?

me.
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
What do you do when assasins call you an assasin (Apocalypse now...)?

What do you call it when you kill, in the name of saving lives?
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
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higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
No it does not.

Because that would be like saying, just because all you got is a binocular with very limited magnification/resolving power, satelites for jupiter does not exist, because you cannot see them through it.

Someone should name this fallacy.
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
>The beauty of science is that now that the vaccines are out there it becomes easier to independently access them and move our knowledge further in the right direction.

Can you clarify what you mean by this?
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
Yes, you are right. So either way, these vaccines has not passed through proper safety evaluation.

Just because something is not possible, does not make it any less required.
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
>I am pretty sure Sputnik V is fine. It has been administered to tens of millions inside Russia itself. If there were massive problems with it, we would know by now.

No, we wouldn't. Because most of the Vaccine AEFI tracking is based on voluntary reporting, and is known to only report around 1% of the events.

Even if it was not the case, we wouldn't still know without a control group. Basically this is why systematic trials are done to measure these things.

So this logic does not absolve Sputnik vaccine, or any other current vaccines in use.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2033538
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
Does not make much sense..

Much more likely is that what they were putting out was simply the truth, and people who didn't like it were calling it propaganda and mis-information...
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
And for every step, WE WILL CHEER THEM ON.
higherup
·قبل 5 سنوات·discuss
Can someone tell me why VAERS reports are not strictly mandated for all observed AEFIs?

Anyone who says vaccines are safe, when there is no method to strictly monitor observed AEFIs, is perpetuating a blatent lie.

Without people having an option to reject a vaccine, and without an option to claim liability, and without an efficient AEFI monitoring in place, there is absolutely little incentive for the vaccine producers to ensure the quality. The is economics 101. It is sad that such blatant deceptions are possible in todays world...

And people who are refusing to bend down is fighting against this eventuality...shame on the shills who are making propoganda where they are cutting the branch they are sitting on...