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Ask HN: Are the newest LLMs better than you at programming?

4 points·by par1970·قبل 4 أشهر·19 comments

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par1970
·الشهر الماضي·discuss
> AI (in this form) will never be able to solve things we truly cannot solve yet.

Argument?
par1970
·قبل شهرين·discuss
> LLMs are nothing close to AGI and not going to lead to it, they can’t distinguish right from wrong, they can’t count, they can’t reason, they generate plausible text from a vast databank of connected text.

Argument?

Are LLMs close to being able to significantly help AGI researchers?
par1970
·قبل شهرين·discuss
Which doomer argument have you found what problem with?
par1970
·قبل 3 أشهر·discuss
Do you deny the reported bug finding capabilities, or do you deny that they are dangerous?
par1970
·قبل 3 أشهر·discuss
I think this is roughly solved. Tell the agent to do all of its calculations in python.
par1970
·قبل 3 أشهر·discuss
Do you have a defense of why human-hammer-nail is a good analogy for human-chatgpt5.4-pwndsamsung?
par1970
·قبل 3 أشهر·discuss
But the service also tells criminals and adversaries about the bomb locations.
par1970
·قبل 3 أشهر·discuss
Yeah, maybe you are right. But is doing math and reasoning about Turing machines a priori? If so, then it seems plausible to me that reasoning about a codebase (without running it) is also ‘a priori’.
par1970
·قبل 3 أشهر·discuss
> What do you mean "a priori understanding codebases"?

I took him to be distinguishing between (1) just reading the code/docs and reasoning about it, and (2) that + crafting and running tests.
par1970
·قبل 3 أشهر·discuss
Why?
par1970
·قبل 4 أشهر·discuss
Did you tell it that it should test, or did you have it generate actual tests that you could run if you wanted to?
par1970
·قبل 4 أشهر·discuss
How much domain experience do you have? Is it helping you solve problems for paying customers?
par1970
·قبل 4 أشهر·discuss
If your project requires the solution of a tricky algorithmic issue, then is the AI system able to solve that part, or do you have to give it the solution?
par1970
·قبل 4 أشهر·discuss
What models + versions are you using?

Is it bad at designing systems that don't have a bunch of integrations?
par1970
·قبل 4 أشهر·discuss
> I don't use ChatGPT, but i've been using an agent with Claude Sonnet 4.

Are you using Sonnet 4.6?

> So this AI Agent... It is much faster at doing code when given specific instructions. But it keeps loosing context on architecture, and i cant really let it build complex things with interdependencies that build on each other.

I've only built small things (< 1000 lines) with the systems, so I might be missing this problem.

Is it better than you at building small self-contained things?

> And i get a bad feel when i then wonder how is this app doing what it does? because my agent cant explain it, and i would be stupid to believe what it hallucinated because it sounds really solid until you scratch the construction.

Do you ask it to generate test suites for the things that it builds?

> it would be also faster to build a catastrophic spaghetti code nightmare if not used with great care.

noted
par1970
·قبل 4 أشهر·discuss
Which models + versions are you using? Can you give a specific problem that you found them to be bad at?
par1970
·قبل 8 أشهر·discuss
Maybe we are talking past one another.

> Right, but that's explicitly not the body of government meant to represent people.

I haven't claimed that the Senate was intended to represent the people. I also haven't claimed that OP claimed that the Senate was intended to represent the people.

> So is he saying the Senate is fundamentally a ridiculous way of representing 100 states, or is he saying the House is fundamentally a ridiculous way of representing 350 million people?

He didn't say either of those things. He said this "The Senate is fundamentally a ridiculous way of representing 350 million people."
par1970
·قبل 8 أشهر·discuss
I think OP is arguing that because they literally said "The Senate is fundamentally a ridiculous way of representing 350 million people and we’re going to continue to get absurd unrepresentative outcomes for as long as it remains a relevant body."

What do you think they are arguing?
par1970
·قبل 8 أشهر·discuss
Are you arguing this?

(Premise 1) If a country has 350 million people, then the Senate will produce unrepresentative outcomes.

(Premise 2) America has 350 million people.

(Conclusion 1) So, the Senate will produce unrepresentative outcomes in America.

(Conclusion 2) So, the Senate is bad for America.
par1970
·قبل 8 أشهر·discuss
> We're nowhere close to AGI and don't have a clue how to get there.

Do you have an argument?