Israeli camouflage tech makes soldiers ‘invisible’(jpost.com)
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Israeli camouflage tech makes soldiers ‘invisible’
https://www.jpost.com/jpost-tech/israeli-camouflage-tech-makes-soldiers-invisible-671096
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That's... underwhelming. From the title I was expecting some sort of adaptive camouflage from ghost recon future soldier[1] or something.
[1] https://youtu.be/ufqtU8ByDYs?t=130
[1] https://youtu.be/ufqtU8ByDYs?t=130
Major Kusanagi enters the chat
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpqdYt9hw2g&t=5m20s
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpqdYt9hw2g&t=5m20s
Yup. Me too
> “As far as we know, or as far as we saw in other armies around the world, we are very unique”
Isn't that the point, though?
Isn't that the point, though?
> we actually registered a patent on it in many countries around the world
Isn’t this counter-productive for military tech that’s supposed to give your troops an advantage in combat?
Isn’t this counter-productive for military tech that’s supposed to give your troops an advantage in combat?
Not for the company making it, Polaris Solutions. All the many countries have to buy it to keep up with each other.
..unless one does not plan to go at war with countries where it registered patents
Uh.
Patent registrations are public. Details about a registered patent in any country will be available to all countries worldwide.
It is also unlikely that a country would opt to abide by intellectual property treaties when at war.
Patent registrations are public. Details about a registered patent in any country will be available to all countries worldwide.
It is also unlikely that a country would opt to abide by intellectual property treaties when at war.
Could they also prevent it from being made by competitors and then refuse to distribute it in those countries? If not denying it to those countries at least delaying it in bureaucracy?
I believe that portions of the enigma machine technology were patented and later reviewed for exploitation by the British.
https://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/enigma/patents/
https://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/enigma/patents/
Pure speculation here... the only ground combat scenario Israel really has to worry about is with Hezbollah. So the calculation must be that either Iran doesn't have the materials expertise to manufacture this, or else they can and Israel has either compromised the supply chain, has technology to see through it on some other part of the EM spectrum, or both. For all we know it lights up like a Christmas tree if you hit it with millimeter wave from a drone. Either way, the Iranians probably will assume this and therefore not pursue the technology. Maybe they learned it was already leaked to Iranian intelligence, so by making it public now they raise too many doubts for the enemy to use it.
> the only ground combat scenario Israel really has to worry about is with Hezbollah
They invaded Gaza in 2014, killing 2,310 (of which 70% were civilians.)
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_War
They invaded Gaza in 2014, killing 2,310 (of which 70% were civilians.)
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_War
True. But for a variety of political reasons within Israel, a ground invasion of Gaza is unlikely to happen again within the next 5 years, if ever. If it were going to happen, it would have happened in May. Also, Hamas has no ability to bring fighters into Israel proper, whereas Hezbollah poses a real threat of cross-border incursion. That's where the existence of some kind of advanced cloaking technology falling into Iranian hands becomes a concern for Israel. It wouldn't be very useful in street-to-street combat in Gaza, but in hills and fields along the Lebanese border it could cause a lot of problems for them.
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this isn't particularly crazy technology that no one will be able to manufacture. Once you field it everyone else will copy it. From a benefit perspective you benefit from fielding it, but also controlling the patent in other countries where you can license/sell it to orgs you approve.
Enemy countries will always violate your patents and make their own, so might as well extract maximum benefit while you can.
Enemy countries will always violate your patents and make their own, so might as well extract maximum benefit while you can.
After the entire mess of the 'Universal Camouflage Pattern' I'm surprised there's not more research in this -
The $5 Billion Army Camouflage That Failed to Hide its Soldiers https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/army-camou...
$ idea, start selling Kit 300 cargo pants.
The $5 Billion Army Camouflage That Failed to Hide its Soldiers https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/army-camou...
$ idea, start selling Kit 300 cargo pants.
More interesting details on the company's 'catalogue':
https://polarisolutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Rajug...
Impressive how "low-tech" some products look. It is sad armed conflicts still involves human lives.
It is quickly moving towards endangering human lives on one side of the conflict (the poorer side who lacks the technology). When the transition is complete, we will likely see more conflicts, as the cost of the war (both in terms of money and in domestic public opinion) significantly decreases for one side.
The trend actually seems to be going the other way - less deaths. See Pinker and all that.
Only because the ruled class allows to ruling class to think that life is cheap.
They say that this can be used to safely move injured soldiers out of the battelfield.
I am having hard time understanding that. From the looks of it, this seems like something that dwells in well with the background. Moving subject will definitely be visible as background doesn't stay constant isn't it?
But this is definitely something very innovative and unique.
But this is definitely something very innovative and unique.
What about infrared?
I kind of played with this idea when the military was deployed in Boston. Now that their uniform and paint signatures are designed to camouflage them from infrared signatures in the forests they stick out like a sore thumb in the city.
https://www.daviddegner.com/photography/military-and-police-...
https://www.daviddegner.com/photography/military-and-police-...
Does infrared work even if the outside temperatures are 35c-40c?
Summer in the middle east is around those temperatures, which mostly overlap human core temp
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Sort of sounds like a commercial alternative to thermal sheeting and camouflage net over chicken wire, which is something that's often used at the moment but is extraordinarily heavy, especially for dismounted combat.
Article doesn't have a lot of information. It reads more like a regurgitated press release. Still, this looks fascinating, i wonder if it will work.
Sure, it is made of "advanced polymers". In other words it is one of those thermal blankets painted to look like a rock.
https://polarisolutions.com/2021/01/16/the-new-camouflage-fo...
Pretty neat, but it’s traditional camouflage which is custom to different environments.