Virginia Mandates Paper Ballots, Tracking, Proof of Residency for 2024 Election(thecentersquare.com)
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Virginia Mandates Paper Ballots, Tracking, Proof of Residency for 2024 Election
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I don't understand why Americans are reticent to a voting ID. Here in Mexico it's pretty normal and there's like nothing crazy about it. It identifies yourself and makes sure only people legally allowed to vote can vote.
because getting an ID costs money and time that most poor americans do not have. The poorest americans that work multiple jobs are simply not able to afford to take time off work to do this.
This is an absolutely nutso take. Nobody buys it, I don't know how it even continues to be repeated aloud anymore. You cannot function in the united States without a government ID. I have known (and been) the poorest of the poor in the US and have never, ever, met a person over the age of 18 without a government ID. Not a single one. You need one to drive, to buy beer, to get lottery tickets, to get government benefits, to get a job, you need an ID for everything.
Someone who can't take time off work to get an ID most certainly can't take time off to go vote.
Someone who can't take time off work to get an ID most certainly can't take time off to go vote.
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Exactly. It's an oft-repeated talking point accepted as fact but with absolutely no facts to back it up. It identifies the speaker as being of a certain political persuasion and as a non-critical thinker.
Your ID may not have your correct address, because you recently moved. Heck, I know people who have moved across state borders and gone years without updating their ID.
In that case you can still use it to work, buy alcohol, drive, get government benefits, etc., but you still might need to spend four hours at the DMV in order to use it to vote, because your ballot is customized to your particular city/neighborhood.
So, it's still a tax/restriction which can prevent voter participation.
In that case you can still use it to work, buy alcohol, drive, get government benefits, etc., but you still might need to spend four hours at the DMV in order to use it to vote, because your ballot is customized to your particular city/neighborhood.
So, it's still a tax/restriction which can prevent voter participation.
I have had the wrong address on my drivers license deliberately my whole life and still to this day it has never stopped me from voting.
How curious is it that it requires ID to get into a Harris campaign event, where they talk about how voter id would be racist?
Why is it not racist or discriminatory against poor people in the rest of the world?
Why is it not racist or discriminatory against poor people in the rest of the world?
The rest of the world tends to have one national ID system per country, and they tend to be easy to obtain, and the government considers it to be important to try to make sure everyone who should have one does have one.
The time thing makes sense, although there are poor mexican people that have no trouble getting an ID over here .
Regarding cost, it should be paid by the state. At least it's so in Mexico
Regarding cost, it should be paid by the state. At least it's so in Mexico
Because the US government has a well documented history of using election laws to suppress and discriminate against minority voters. They can't be trusted to act in good faith.
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All this is is an attempt to prevent minority and poor people from voting.
It will be blocked. Having to pay for an ID Card in order to vote is just another form of a poll tax.
Poll Taxes were made illegal via the The 24th Amendment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_taxes_in_the_United_State...
It will be blocked. Having to pay for an ID Card in order to vote is just another form of a poll tax.
Poll Taxes were made illegal via the The 24th Amendment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_taxes_in_the_United_State...
A free id card for voting is available
https://www.elections.virginia.gov/media/archive/voter-photo...
Also one can vote without an ID
https://www.elections.virginia.gov/registration/voterid/
https://www.elections.virginia.gov/media/archive/voter-photo...
Also one can vote without an ID
https://www.elections.virginia.gov/registration/voterid/
The free ID application must be presented in person, which will take a lot of time, and time is money.
I have served as an election officer in Fairfax County, Virginia since 2012.
Every. Single. Legal. Voter. Will. Be. Given. A. Ballot.
Your allegations may have merit elsewhere, but the "Virginia is for Lovers". Of elections.
If one actually gives a GIVE about election integrity, then a well-staffed polling place with a secret ballot cast and counted on reliable equipment is PRECISELY what is sought.
These mail ballots and drop boxes are relatively weak, security-wise.
What we DON'T seem to hear is any sort of thorough analysis.
I'm as big a geek as anyone, but simple, low-tech systems seem preferred.
And don't get me started on these Rank-Choice Ballots.
Every. Single. Legal. Voter. Will. Be. Given. A. Ballot.
Your allegations may have merit elsewhere, but the "Virginia is for Lovers". Of elections.
If one actually gives a GIVE about election integrity, then a well-staffed polling place with a secret ballot cast and counted on reliable equipment is PRECISELY what is sought.
These mail ballots and drop boxes are relatively weak, security-wise.
What we DON'T seem to hear is any sort of thorough analysis.
I'm as big a geek as anyone, but simple, low-tech systems seem preferred.
And don't get me started on these Rank-Choice Ballots.
There is zero evidence of any real election fraud. This is a fear tactic of right wing nuts that want to suppress minority and poor voters.
While I agree with the gist of what I think you’re saying - that election fraud isn’t anywhere near a deciding factor, especially in Presidential elections - I don’t think it actually matters.
There is a large number of people in the US who believe that fraud is a big enough problem for it to change the outcome. That leads to loss of confidence in the election system, which in turn makes for a far more volatile political climate in the country.
That is in and of itself sufficient justification for us to take a very serious look at the system and consider implementing stricter practices. The actual goal here isn’t to prevent all fraud, it’s to ensure that the political process itself is trusted by the people.
There is a large number of people in the US who believe that fraud is a big enough problem for it to change the outcome. That leads to loss of confidence in the election system, which in turn makes for a far more volatile political climate in the country.
That is in and of itself sufficient justification for us to take a very serious look at the system and consider implementing stricter practices. The actual goal here isn’t to prevent all fraud, it’s to ensure that the political process itself is trusted by the people.
Can there actually be any evidence when the process is designed to not be very transparent or examinable from the outside? Election security and transparency should be a priority for all parties because of how foundational it is. The lack of evidence doesn’t mean much when it isn’t publicly auditable.
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Can you clarify the claim you're making? The 87 Chicago mayoral election is within living memory for over half of eligible voters in America. Do you think election procedure (which varies significantly as it is under the sole jurisdiction of the governments of states like Virginia) has uniformly improved to the extent that fraud like that, or even just a fraction of that scale, is completely impossible?
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Who would logically be against proof that your election is secure?