Murdered body found after tree ‘unusual for the area’ grew from seed in stomach(msn.com)
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Murdered body found after tree ‘unusual for the area’ grew from seed in stomach
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/murdered-mans-body-found-after-tree-unusual-for-the-area-grew-from-seed-in-his-stomach/ar-BBNACEq?ocid=sf
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Was a bit disappointed that the article didn't have a picture of the actual tree.
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This reminds me of this brilliant startup: https://www.capsulamundi.it/en/
The copywriting is hysterical: "I love you grandma!" "Wow how've big you've grown!"
The copywriting is hysterical: "I love you grandma!" "Wow how've big you've grown!"
I find a strange certainty in the stomach theory repeated all around the article.
Why in the stomach? How can they discard that the fig was in a pocket or a bag or was just planted by somebody later to mark the area?
Why in the stomach? How can they discard that the fig was in a pocket or a bag or was just planted by somebody later to mark the area?
I agree. This sounds like a publicity ploy. According to Wikipedia "Ficus carica is dispersed by birds and mammals that scatter their seeds in droppings." How do they know that the seed was not brought there by a bird? Did they check the age of the tree? Does it match the date of the incident? I wrote to CMP http://www.cmp-cyprus.org/ let's if they answer. I could not find a press release on their site about this subject.
Good point. It's more fascinating though to connect this tree, which is still living, with this long-dead man whether it's true or not.
Reminds me of a local story - a 200 year old tree fell in a storm and pulled up a 1000 year old murder victim as the roots had grown through his corpse
Uprooted trees are gold mines for people interested in finding objects like arrowheads or other historic artifacts.
It's a natural time capsule. The ground under the tree is stabilized for the duration of the tree's life, effectively snapshotting its contents.
The first time someone explained this to me while on a hike, as they excitedly dug through a mess of exposed tree roots, was one of those rare, surreal perspective-shifting moments. Suddenly I saw the forest surrounding me as a versioned filesystem of sorts, with every tree holding a snapshot of ground for its respective age beneath.
It's a natural time capsule. The ground under the tree is stabilized for the duration of the tree's life, effectively snapshotting its contents.
The first time someone explained this to me while on a hike, as they excitedly dug through a mess of exposed tree roots, was one of those rare, surreal perspective-shifting moments. Suddenly I saw the forest surrounding me as a versioned filesystem of sorts, with every tree holding a snapshot of ground for its respective age beneath.
“Police in Connecticut say that a tree overturned by hurricane Sandy has revealed a skeleton buried beneath that may have been there since colonial times.
‘Yes,’ said the home’s owner, ‘colonial times...’”
-Weekend Update, Saturday Night Live, December 1, 2012
http://decoy.tvpassport.com/talk/late-laughs-week-november-2...
‘Yes,’ said the home’s owner, ‘colonial times...’”
-Weekend Update, Saturday Night Live, December 1, 2012
http://decoy.tvpassport.com/talk/late-laughs-week-november-2...
And how the heck can they determine a 1000 year old skeleton is a murder victim?
Not sure if you are asking in earnest, but bone damage from a knife would suggest the skeleton was from a murder victim.
They can tell skeletons significantly older than 1000 years were from someone, for example, killed by a tiger, due to teeth marks on bones.
They can tell skeletons significantly older than 1000 years were from someone, for example, killed by a tiger, due to teeth marks on bones.
Saw an interesting viking museum in Norway that had a skeleton of a man who had his leg shorn off by an axe in battle. That one may be a bit more obvious I suppose, but I suspect there's a ton you can learn from just a set of bones.
You could probably make a tv show about that, maybe call it bones :-)
Blade markings on the bones, rib cage I believe. They were also able to say the victim was 17-20 years old
Maybe as people who were not murdered were buried in some sort of burial site? (Like a cemetery).
Most likely bone fractures and similar signs should still be visible.
What a sloppy reporting! Most pictures do not have captions. They are not even related to this case. They are stock photos from the CMP lab. The caption under the first photo is made up "Remains and samples which were found at the scene where Ahmet Hergune was killed" (none of the other sources use this caption). The guy's last name is "Hergüner" not "Hergüne". Münür is his brother not his sister.
So the hack is, carry packet of obscure tree seeds in your pocket if you think you're gonna get murdered
For a small price, we can all donate our remains such that they feed a growing tree:
https://www.thelivingurn.com/
https://www.thelivingurn.com/
Why the intermediate step of cremation?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/smarter-living/green-fune...
> Here is what Americans put in the ground each year through traditional burials: 20 million feet of wood, 4.3 million gallons of embalming fluids, 1.6 million tons of reinforced concrete, 17,000 tons of copper and bronze, and 64,500 tons of steel, according to the Green Burial Council.
> Green burials eliminate much of this waste by leaving out almost all of those materials; most bodies are simply wrapped in shrouds made from a biodegradable material like cotton and placed in the ground. And although cremations often have the reputation as being an eco-friendly option, they tend to have an outsize carbon footprint.
The article goes on to mention http://www.letyourlovegrow.com/ , which sounds similar to The Living Urn, and http://www.eternalreefs.com/ , "which hold cremated remains in an underwater cement ball and create new marine habitats for fish and other sea life."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/smarter-living/green-fune...
> Here is what Americans put in the ground each year through traditional burials: 20 million feet of wood, 4.3 million gallons of embalming fluids, 1.6 million tons of reinforced concrete, 17,000 tons of copper and bronze, and 64,500 tons of steel, according to the Green Burial Council.
> Green burials eliminate much of this waste by leaving out almost all of those materials; most bodies are simply wrapped in shrouds made from a biodegradable material like cotton and placed in the ground. And although cremations often have the reputation as being an eco-friendly option, they tend to have an outsize carbon footprint.
The article goes on to mention http://www.letyourlovegrow.com/ , which sounds similar to The Living Urn, and http://www.eternalreefs.com/ , "which hold cremated remains in an underwater cement ball and create new marine habitats for fish and other sea life."
Why do they use cremated bodies? Doesn't cremating have an impact on the environment? And doesn't it destroy a lot of the nutrient from the body?
Been looking for something similar, but where they just use the body as is.
Been looking for something similar, but where they just use the body as is.
I wish that promession had come to market. The process was supposed to involve freeze drying your remains and then mechanically disintigrating them via vibration. The resulting powder could then be relatively quickly re-integrated by the environment after it was buried or spread on the surface.
The idea really appealed to me, but as I recall the company never got funding to build their first facility.
The idea really appealed to me, but as I recall the company never got funding to build their first facility.
Almost the plot of "The Fountain." Sadly, the tree didn't fly in space.
So carrying crappy weed might be good if you think you're gonna get Maxwell's Silver Hammer. Good to know.
I can't believe MSN is still around.
I can’t believe their cookie consent banner can’t be closed.
Interestingly the class name used for the cookie consent banner div is "euBanner"
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If you use uMatrix it does not even have a chance to appear.
Philosophical question. If you don't event see the banner, because you've spamfiltered it, does it count as accept or reject?
Accept, because you installed software that intentionally blocks it.
by that argument i'm a follower of jehovah's witnesses because i consciously and willingly close the door in their face.
its definitely not a consent, no matter how you try to spin it.
its definitely not a consent, no matter how you try to spin it.
Your analogy makes no sense. You browse the web with a user agent, which acts on behalf of you, the user. You instructed your agent to not display "this site uses cookies" banners, which implies that you're aware of them and choose to proceed even though the site uses cookies.
A better analogy would be you're getting arrested, and you plug your ears with your fingers and say "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" and then argue that you can't be arrested if you can't hear the people arresting you. Interesting argument, but not how it works.
A better analogy would be you're getting arrested, and you plug your ears with your fingers and say "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" and then argue that you can't be arrested if you can't hear the people arresting you. Interesting argument, but not how it works.
If the customer does not respond to your requests to accept your house rules you deny them service. GDPR is quite clear that "silent agreement" does not apply.
GDPR Recital 32, sentence 3: "Silence, pre-ticked boxes or inactivity should not therefore constitute consent." https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-32/
GDPR Recital 32, sentence 3: "Silence, pre-ticked boxes or inactivity should not therefore constitute consent." https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-32/
How silent is installing an extension that clicks "dismiss" for you? It's like that argument where you can't be bound by the EULA because you put your cat's paw on the mouse and had your cat click "I agree". Good luck with that argument.
If I install an extension that sends agrees to a website then yes, it's the same as using a cat as a proxy, because objectively the request for consent has been fulfilled without irregularities. It's even mentioned in sentence 2 of Recital 32, using technical measures to auto-consent is valid as long as it is done clearly.
However uMatrix does not send agrees; in fact, it shreds most 'requests to consent' to pieces before relaying the page to the user as a side-effect of blocking third-party cookies+scripts. So unlike the cat proxy, uMatrix will never send a (deceitful) agreement back and the website owner never gets a reply for his inquiry.
All a website owner gets from a uMatrix user is the wrench they threw into the consent acquiring procedure, and I doubt that's enough to signify consent as defined in GDPR.
GDPR Art. 4 (11) https://gdpr-info.eu/art-4-gdpr/
However uMatrix does not send agrees; in fact, it shreds most 'requests to consent' to pieces before relaying the page to the user as a side-effect of blocking third-party cookies+scripts. So unlike the cat proxy, uMatrix will never send a (deceitful) agreement back and the website owner never gets a reply for his inquiry.
All a website owner gets from a uMatrix user is the wrench they threw into the consent acquiring procedure, and I doubt that's enough to signify consent as defined in GDPR.
GDPR Art. 4 (11) https://gdpr-info.eu/art-4-gdpr/
‘consent’ of the data subject means any freely given,
specific, informed and unambiguous indication of the data
subject’s wishes by which he or she, by a statement or by a
clear affirmative action, signifies agreement to the
processing of personal data relating to him or her;Its not pressing 'dismiss'
its removing the elements responsible for the banner from the DOM
its removing the elements responsible for the banner from the DOM
I can't believe it's not butter!
I can't believe sites bother to adhere to it. they don't need to.
Why did you remove the quotes in the title? Makes it super hard to read and understand.
Titles can be at most 80 characters long, and this one is currently right at the limit. Given the number of small changes, clearly the submitter was cutting everything they could to get to 80 characters :) If you can suggest a rewrite, maybe the mods will change the title.
“Murder victim discovered after giving birth to unusual tree”
That’s some irresistible clickbait right there. Bravo!
"Course of murder investigation follows unusual root."
OK, we've updated it from “Murder body found after tree unusual for the area grew from seed in his stomach”.
Murdered man found when non-local tree grew from seed in his stomach
("non-local" is admittedly a bit funny sounding. Alternatives: "non-native tree", "unusual tree", "unexpected tree").
("non-local" is admittedly a bit funny sounding. Alternatives: "non-native tree", "unusual tree", "unexpected tree").
Out Of Place Tree Leads Researcher To Find Murder Victim
He was blown up by dynamite.. not super clear that his stomach was all that intact.
He was blown up by dynamite.. not super clear that his stomach was all that intact.
He wasn't necessarily blown apart by the explosion, although that would have given the seed the highest chance of surviving (instead of slowly disintegrating inside the stomach).
The shockwave inside a cave can be a pretty deadly thing even if you are behind cover. He could even have been killed by something as minute as a ruptured blood vessel in the brain.
The shockwave inside a cave can be a pretty deadly thing even if you are behind cover. He could even have been killed by something as minute as a ruptured blood vessel in the brain.
for the mythologically less-developed, this literal scenario is in a similar configuration to certain deep-mystery tales from various cultures and epochs. spoiler: personal inquiry on this and other symbolic content may vary substantially, require a lot of time, and lead to odd ideas in ordinary life
How is this a really unusual occurrence? I thought this was HN
If nobody would find it interesting it wouldn’t be on the front page.