Calorie per Dollar List – Eat for 21 Dollars a Week(efficiencyiseverything.com)
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Calorie per Dollar List – Eat for 21 Dollars a Week
https://efficiencyiseverything.com/calorie-per-dollar-list/
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The author of the submitted site has also developed some of this information on a separate page: https://efficiencyiseverything.com/nutrient-per-calorie/
I created a site that will display a nutrient density graph for foods that you search for: https://eatnutrients.com/
I created a site that will display a nutrient density graph for foods that you search for: https://eatnutrients.com/
Here you go: Liver, heart, kidney, eggs, canned mackerel/sardines/oysters/clams. Hard to beat these-- they usually range from dirt cheap to cheap-when-on-sale/discount.
I don’t know if anyone reading this will find this useful but I just now discovered canned mackerel in olive oil as a meat source and it is incredible. It almost feels like taking an antidepressant. Some magic about eating the fish that I have never experienced taking omega-3 pills or fish oil pills. I even started looking better and my brother noticed I looked healthier.
If you don't get the same effect from salmon it might be because they have a large amount of phosphatidylserine which is a anti-inflammatory/immune suppressant.
Try adding some chilli sauce. Mixed with the olive oil and fish it's amazing. After experimenting with quite a lot of chilli sauce with mackerel/oil over a period of years, I really recommend "Encona West Indian Hot Pepper Sauce".
If the 'sunflower oil' etc versions of the mackerel are available it also mixes extremely well with those and they can be cheaper than the olive oil tins.
If the 'sunflower oil' etc versions of the mackerel are available it also mixes extremely well with those and they can be cheaper than the olive oil tins.
Agree on all counts except the sunflower oil. In general, avoid seed/vegetable oils, especially if they are used in high-heat cooking as in this example.
Vegetable/seed oils are not whole foods or naturally stable. They are modern frankenfoods made from leftover agri-waste via industrial chemical processes. Under high heat these oils become highly oxidated and not the kind of stuff you want your body to deal with.
Vegetable/seed oils are not whole foods or naturally stable. They are modern frankenfoods made from leftover agri-waste via industrial chemical processes. Under high heat these oils become highly oxidated and not the kind of stuff you want your body to deal with.
Do you have a source on this? Because this is contrary to what I have learned
Comparison of the oxidative stability of soybean and sunflower oils enriched with herbal plant extracts (Kozowlski, Gruczyńska, Chem Zvesti. 2018; 72(10): 2607–2615.)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6096694/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6096694/
Sunflower oil generally has a higher smoke point than olive oil.
True. I cook with ghee (clarified butter) most of the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Smoke_point_of_cookin...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Smoke_point_of_cookin...
Agreed. Mackerel is absolutely fantastic. If you enjoy seafood, I definitely wouldn't bother with pills or powders.
How much do I have to eat? How often? Is there any metal danger ala tuna?
Canned mackerel generally has mercury at levels near that of salmon.
King Mackerel is known to contain a lot of mercury, but that is a different species of Mackerel which is quite large (in general, larger predatory fish have greater concentrations of mercury).
As long as you are eating the tinned Mackerels, the kind which are small like sardines, I don't think you have significant mercury risk. Canned/tinned mackerel and sardines are considered some of the safest and most sustainable fish you can consume.
https://www.csu.edu/cerc/researchreports/documents/MercuryFa...
King Mackerel is known to contain a lot of mercury, but that is a different species of Mackerel which is quite large (in general, larger predatory fish have greater concentrations of mercury).
As long as you are eating the tinned Mackerels, the kind which are small like sardines, I don't think you have significant mercury risk. Canned/tinned mackerel and sardines are considered some of the safest and most sustainable fish you can consume.
https://www.csu.edu/cerc/researchreports/documents/MercuryFa...
Thank you! I plan to buy some after work. I want to try to incorporate fish into my diet. Final question: raw or cooked? Does cooking deplete some of the good stuff inside?
Cooking usually changes some of the vitamin/nutrient content, but honestly if you like cooked fish, cook it. If you prefer sushi/sashimi, go for that. With diet try not to let perfection get in the way of obvious improvements. I could get way more nutrients by eating liver raw, but y'know, um no thanks.
King Mackerel is on the FDA's do not eat list due to mercury content; Atka and Atlantic are fine.
How does a person determine what kind of mackerel it is?
For example: https://www.amazon.com/Season-Skinless-Boneless-Fillets-Mack...
For example: https://www.amazon.com/Season-Skinless-Boneless-Fillets-Mack...
Close your eyes and pretend it is what it says on the tin. Any kind of processed fish, even if they aren't explicitly adulterating it with something else, is going to have a bunch of other stuff caught up in the nets that winds up in the can.
This advice applies to virtually all other foods as well, so...
I'd guess rice & lentils might be cheaper (especially since they be can bought in bulk & stored), more nutritious, more readily available world wide and more sustainable.
Rice, lentils, beans, all are much less nutrient dense than most animal foods.
It's important to account for the fact that plant foods often come with antinutrients (lectins, phytates, oxalates) which block absorption of vitamins. Most plant sources also supply only incomplete amino acid profiles.
Also, plant foods often have their vitamins amounts listed in the form of precursors and not the bio-available kind that your body can utilize without a conversion process. So, iron in spinach? It's not heme-iron, so it's not so great when you consider the above along with a high oxalate payload. Vitamin A in carrots? It in carotinoids such as beta-carotine rather than retinol which is the format your body uses. Your body prefers bioavailable forms of vitamins and nutrients, rather than spending energy converting to usable formats.
This is why animal foods are so hard to beat for nutrient density. E.g., herbivore animals graze on plants, converting the nutrients into animal-appropriate formats and fuller-spectrum proteins.
It's important to account for the fact that plant foods often come with antinutrients (lectins, phytates, oxalates) which block absorption of vitamins. Most plant sources also supply only incomplete amino acid profiles.
Also, plant foods often have their vitamins amounts listed in the form of precursors and not the bio-available kind that your body can utilize without a conversion process. So, iron in spinach? It's not heme-iron, so it's not so great when you consider the above along with a high oxalate payload. Vitamin A in carrots? It in carotinoids such as beta-carotine rather than retinol which is the format your body uses. Your body prefers bioavailable forms of vitamins and nutrients, rather than spending energy converting to usable formats.
This is why animal foods are so hard to beat for nutrient density. E.g., herbivore animals graze on plants, converting the nutrients into animal-appropriate formats and fuller-spectrum proteins.
They may be less nutrient dense, but mostly vegetarian diets are still recommended for longevity by dieticians
Also, I was under the impression that the vast majority of lectins are removed during preparation/cooking of plant foods
Also, I was under the impression that the vast majority of lectins are removed during preparation/cooking of plant foods
Interesting debate on this topic between Nina Teicholz and David L. Katz, MD. Good points on both sides.
Are Vegetarians Healthier than Omnivores? A Soho Forum Debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qDYl4zHmAg
Are Vegetarians Healthier than Omnivores? A Soho Forum Debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qDYl4zHmAg
Do whatever works for you. Try different diets, you might be surprised.
You still need fiber to feel satiated and have a healthy GI tract. Oats, salad, and other vegetables are good options.
Everybody is different. Some people tolerate fiber well. Others have gut issues (e.g. diversticulitis, colitis) or overdo it and end up with digestive problems.
From what I've read, the fiber guidelines are basically made-up and not based on any formal nutritional controlled studies. When you think about it, fiber is literally undigestible plant material. It seems a bit strange for your health/body to depend on consumption of something which cannot be digested.
From what I've read, the fiber guidelines are basically made-up and not based on any formal nutritional controlled studies. When you think about it, fiber is literally undigestible plant material. It seems a bit strange for your health/body to depend on consumption of something which cannot be digested.
Nothing strange about hunter gatherers evolve eating a lot of fiber. Think about the other extreme, what if you took in all your energy and nutrients through fluids. How well would your bowels work with nothing in them but liquids? I know my bowel movements are much easier after I've eaten some salad than after a low fiber meal.
There's plenty of articles about fiber, here's just a short list I just found.
https://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/how-fiber-helps-prevent-c...
https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/Dietary_fi...
https://www.bmj.com/content/343/bmj.d6617
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4588743/
There's plenty of articles about fiber, here's just a short list I just found.
https://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/how-fiber-helps-prevent-c...
https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/Dietary_fi...
https://www.bmj.com/content/343/bmj.d6617
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4588743/
I'm talking about whether or not they are essential. I eat very little plants and don't have any problems. I also practice fasting from time to time, and I don't have any problems with no food of any kind for days at a time. Go figure.
I've never heard of anyone dying from lack of fiber. Have you? Is there a medical condition for this?
I'm sure that some hunter gatherers ate plants containing fiber. We are omnivores and able to get calories from many different sources depending on availability in our environment. That still doesn't mean that fiber is a necessity or requirement.
I've never heard of anyone dying from lack of fiber. Have you? Is there a medical condition for this?
I'm sure that some hunter gatherers ate plants containing fiber. We are omnivores and able to get calories from many different sources depending on availability in our environment. That still doesn't mean that fiber is a necessity or requirement.
It's apparently called colon cancer: https://www.webmd.com/colorectal-cancer/news/20111110/high-f...
Fiber and colorectal diseases: Separating fact from fiction - World Journal of Gastroenterology
https://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/full/v13/i31/4161.htm
"This article reviews the physiology of ingestion of fiber and defecation. It also looks into the impact of dietary fiber on various colorectal diseases. A strong case cannot be made for a protective effect of dietary fiber against colorectal polyp or cancer. Neither has fiber been found to be useful in chronic constipation and irritable bowel syndrome. It is also not useful in the treatment of perianal conditions. The fiber deficit - diverticulosis theory should also be challenged. The authors urge clinicians to keep an open mind about fiber. One must be aware of the truths and myths about fiber before recommending it.
... a strong recommendation cannot be made for a protective effect of dietary fiber against colorectal polyp or cancer. Despite a lack of evidence however, current recommendations are still to increase dietary fiber. In the latest position statement of the American Dietetic Association[3], increasing dietary fiber is still promoted to protect against colon cancer despite stating that there is no proof of efficacy in this regard ... Whilst it is not the intention of the authors to totally discourage fiber in the diet and the use of fiber supplements, there does not seem to be much use for fiber in colorectal diseases. We, however, want to emphasize that what we have all been made to believe about fiber needs a second look. We often choose to believe a lie, as a lie repeated often enough by enough people becomes accepted as the truth. We urge clinicians to keep an open mind. While there are some benefits of a diet high in natural fiber, one must know the exact indications before recommending such a diet. Myths about fiber must be debunked and truth installed."
"This article reviews the physiology of ingestion of fiber and defecation. It also looks into the impact of dietary fiber on various colorectal diseases. A strong case cannot be made for a protective effect of dietary fiber against colorectal polyp or cancer. Neither has fiber been found to be useful in chronic constipation and irritable bowel syndrome. It is also not useful in the treatment of perianal conditions. The fiber deficit - diverticulosis theory should also be challenged. The authors urge clinicians to keep an open mind about fiber. One must be aware of the truths and myths about fiber before recommending it.
... a strong recommendation cannot be made for a protective effect of dietary fiber against colorectal polyp or cancer. Despite a lack of evidence however, current recommendations are still to increase dietary fiber. In the latest position statement of the American Dietetic Association[3], increasing dietary fiber is still promoted to protect against colon cancer despite stating that there is no proof of efficacy in this regard ... Whilst it is not the intention of the authors to totally discourage fiber in the diet and the use of fiber supplements, there does not seem to be much use for fiber in colorectal diseases. We, however, want to emphasize that what we have all been made to believe about fiber needs a second look. We often choose to believe a lie, as a lie repeated often enough by enough people becomes accepted as the truth. We urge clinicians to keep an open mind. While there are some benefits of a diet high in natural fiber, one must know the exact indications before recommending such a diet. Myths about fiber must be debunked and truth installed."
Nope. Lack of fiber is not a cause of colon cancer.
A more objective view of the science is:
“...the interactions between meat, gut and health outcomes such as CRC [colorectal cancer] are very complex and are not clearly pointing in one direction... Epidemiological and mechanistic data on associations between red and processed meat intake and CRC are inconsistent and underlying mechanisms are unclear... Better biomarkers of meat intake and of cancer occurrence and updated food composition databases are required for future studies.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24769880
A more objective view of the science is:
“...the interactions between meat, gut and health outcomes such as CRC [colorectal cancer] are very complex and are not clearly pointing in one direction... Epidemiological and mechanistic data on associations between red and processed meat intake and CRC are inconsistent and underlying mechanisms are unclear... Better biomarkers of meat intake and of cancer occurrence and updated food composition databases are required for future studies.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24769880
Some information about fiber for consideration.
Dr. Zoë Harcombe - 'What about fiber?' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KrmpK_Lckg
Dr. Zoë Harcombe - 'What about fiber?' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KrmpK_Lckg
I don't know why you feel so strongly about this subject that you return to it four days later, but she is not an objective expert. She sounds like yet another low carb high fat preacher that wants to sell books, and she makes a flippant remark about how you emit methane after eating beans while "the vegans are blaming the cows". Oh, and she seems to eat plenty of fiber herself:
> I eat fruit most days, but not too much and because I like it, not because I think it is good for me. I eat a lot of vegetables/salads – locally grown/in season wherever possible. [...]. I do eat starchy carbs – just not daily. I enjoy porridge (plain oats and whole milk) – especially in the winter. I like brown rice and (veggie) curries/chilli.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Zo%C3%AB_Harcombe
Even if you don't believe in or care about any health benefits fiber may have, two benefits are immediate after eating them: they fill you up and make you feel full without containing any energy which helps mediate calorie consumption, and they make bowel movements easier, at least if you drink enough water. I believe most people would feel better if they ate more fiber instead of red meat and fries.
> I eat fruit most days, but not too much and because I like it, not because I think it is good for me. I eat a lot of vegetables/salads – locally grown/in season wherever possible. [...]. I do eat starchy carbs – just not daily. I enjoy porridge (plain oats and whole milk) – especially in the winter. I like brown rice and (veggie) curries/chilli.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Zo%C3%AB_Harcombe
Even if you don't believe in or care about any health benefits fiber may have, two benefits are immediate after eating them: they fill you up and make you feel full without containing any energy which helps mediate calorie consumption, and they make bowel movements easier, at least if you drink enough water. I believe most people would feel better if they ate more fiber instead of red meat and fries.
Fiber and colorectal diseases: Separating fact from fiction - World Journal of Gastroenterology https://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/full/v13/i31/4161.htm
Eat as much fiber as you like. I don't think it's necessary to eat fiber to be healthy, but if you like it, eat it.
Eat as much fiber as you like. I don't think it's necessary to eat fiber to be healthy, but if you like it, eat it.
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"more nutritious", what do you mean by this? Rice is fairly devoid of nutrients relative to beef liver or any other meats mentioned.
Rice paired with a pulse, together, are usually considered to be pretty balanced & healthy. Rice has the calories, the pulse has most everything else.
What's a pulse? Is it a type of animal?
Google said: a rhythmical throbbing of the arteries as blood is propelled through them, typically as felt in the wrists or neck.
edit: No need for the downvotes guys, I was genuinely curious. I bet not everyone knows pulses are legumes. Also OP used "pulse" in the singular, which most people (I think?) understand as the definition I pasted from Google.
Google said: a rhythmical throbbing of the arteries as blood is propelled through them, typically as felt in the wrists or neck.
edit: No need for the downvotes guys, I was genuinely curious. I bet not everyone knows pulses are legumes. Also OP used "pulse" in the singular, which most people (I think?) understand as the definition I pasted from Google.
Wow...pulses are legumes which quickly go from seed to plant. They’re also good for the soil by nitrogen fixing, Iirc. Lentils are a good example.
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I love pairing my legumes with greens. Cabbage would be good too. Potatoes tend to agree more with my physiology than rice, too. The more “intact” your rice is the better.
Lentils/other pulses/chickpeas are all healthy and nutritious.
Not even in the same league of nutrient density as the foods I listed. I like them for variety more than for nutrient density.
Or beans. Though they take a long time to cook
Pressure cooker, either stove top or electric (a la Instant Pot).
* https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-pressure-cooker/
* https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-electric-pressure-coo...
* https://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Cooker-Perfection-Foolproof-...
* https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-pressure-cooker/
* https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-electric-pressure-coo...
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Not black beans!
When I'm extra lazy I also like Trader Joe's pre-spiced cans of black beans too.
When I'm extra lazy I also like Trader Joe's pre-spiced cans of black beans too.
Not if you buy tinned beans. They'll never be as cheap as dried beans of course, but they are still very cheap.
Eating the liver, heart, and kidney is cheap and healthy?
of what animals?
Probably the best food you can put in your body, bar none.
It depends what you like. Most people don't care for organ meats, which is why they're so cheap. In general, any of those organs from cattle/bison, sheep, goats, pigs, or poultry are great. My favorite liver is bison liver (you can order it online, but it's $10 for 8 ounces, not so cheap.). Those of you who prefer something closer to steak, try any kind of heart. Beef heart is great and super cheap ($1 lb or less?), but lamb/sheep heart is my favorite. I've got some kidney in my freezer, but I haven't gotten into it yet-- since I enjoy liver, heart and tongue-- that pretty much covers my nutrient needs.
Grass fed animals, typically beef. The nutrient density is off the charts. When I eat dessicated beef liver (available in pill form), the code just flows out of me...
It's not cheap unfortunately, feedlot beef and chicken muscle meat is typically cheaper than grass fed beef liver.
It's not cheap unfortunately, feedlot beef and chicken muscle meat is typically cheaper than grass fed beef liver.
We get jarred "Sprats" from a store that caters to russians here. A few of them on toast for a quick breakfast or lunch is very satisfying.
Oysters and clams are cheap????
Not that this is a practical solution for everyone or that it's easy, but oyster larvae/seeds are remarkably cheap. 1 mm seeds are $10.00 for 1,000 and 40 mm seeds are $135.00 for 1,000 in Maryland. So $0.01 per oyster or $0.13 1/2 a piece if you can't wait long to eat them.
They are when they are the canned variant!
I've only ever checked the prices at restaurants. Maybe I should see about having these at home!
Canned/tinned.
Hard to beat, unless you value a healthy lower-GI tract.
Fibre is important.
Fibre is important.
See my other comment:
Fiber and colorectal diseases: Separating fact from fiction - World Journal of Gastroenterology https://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/full/v13/i31/4161.htm
Fiber and colorectal diseases: Separating fact from fiction - World Journal of Gastroenterology https://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/full/v13/i31/4161.htm
The conclusions drawn on colorectal cancer here are in direct contradiction with many other studies, before and since. Of course fibre-loading a chronically constipated IBS patient is a stupid thing to do, but seriously, "fibre is protective against CRC" is not a controversial statement.
Eg, https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
Eg, https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
Multivitamins are very nutrient dense and cheap.
Yeah but to what degree are they absorbed and used versus just peed out? What is the mechanism by which nutrients are absorbed? Does the gut recognize a nutrient indirectly only because it comes along for the ride with XYZ plant or animal? Or does the gut directly recognize the nutrient?
Well if in blood test you are diagnosed with vitamin deficiency, it's treated with pills. So they are effective.
1. Take it together with food (containing fat) so it gets dissolved. 2. For each micronutrient check if it's in the best available form, and big enough dose.
1. Take it together with food (containing fat) so it gets dissolved. 2. For each micronutrient check if it's in the best available form, and big enough dose.
Sometimes vitamin deficiency is treated will pills. I know people who have to get vitamin shots because pills don't work for their condition.
I always tell people treat vitamin deficiency with a healthy diet, if that doesn't work you have a gut problem and pills won't fix it either. I'm not a doctor, but it is a reasonable claim.
I always tell people treat vitamin deficiency with a healthy diet, if that doesn't work you have a gut problem and pills won't fix it either. I'm not a doctor, but it is a reasonable claim.
> Yeah but to what degree are they absorbed and used versus just peed out?
Considering multivitamins cost basically nothing, you don't have to care about paying for the stuff you end up peeing out.
Considering multivitamins cost basically nothing, you don't have to care about paying for the stuff you end up peeing out.
Multivitamins are not food, at least not natural whole food. They're supplements, as in to supplement any gap in vitamins from eating actual food.
Any animal that humans eat.
Cows, Pigs, sheep. All good.
Cows, Pigs, sheep. All good.
Butter too
To a lesser extent, yes. The balance tilts more toward energy/calories than nutrients, but I am a big fan of butter too.
Jack Monroe's Cooking on a bootstrap was written when she was claiming benefits in the UK and subjected to the sanctions regime. Some weeks she had very little money to feed herself and her child.
Because she was poor herself she does a good job of not requiring too much equipment - there's a fair amount of one pot stuff, or microwave only food. And she creates plans so that you use all the food you buy at the start of the week. Some books are cheap per meal, but you need to buy a huge quantity of something that you don't use again.
https://cookingonabootstrap.com/
Sadly, she's not a cook or chef and some of the recipes in the original book just don't work, so go careful. The reviews on Amazon can be useful.
Because she was poor herself she does a good job of not requiring too much equipment - there's a fair amount of one pot stuff, or microwave only food. And she creates plans so that you use all the food you buy at the start of the week. Some books are cheap per meal, but you need to buy a huge quantity of something that you don't use again.
https://cookingonabootstrap.com/
Sadly, she's not a cook or chef and some of the recipes in the original book just don't work, so go careful. The reviews on Amazon can be useful.
Agreed... particularly ironic since the author says: "[...] we have no idea what nutrition costs. We needed a way to value food.", but then goes on to discuss nothing other than protein and calories.
There is a book called Good and Cheap that has a free PDF version online:
https://books.leannebrown.com/good-and-cheap.pdf
https://books.leannebrown.com/good-and-cheap.pdf
Beans, lentils, chicken, eggs, and frozen veggies are not "garbage food".
The tidbit is that chicken and eggs are not environmentally friendly, while beans tend to require lots of water.
Neither has any D or B12. You need specifically liver or supplements for these. (Fatty fish is even less sustainable for D and not cheap.)
That said you don't need too much methionine so can skimp on complete protein.
Environmental chicken and egg? ;)
Neither has any D or B12. You need specifically liver or supplements for these. (Fatty fish is even less sustainable for D and not cheap.)
That said you don't need too much methionine so can skimp on complete protein.
Environmental chicken and egg? ;)
I kind of analyzed this using USDA data and if it weren't for Kefir I'd prob be dead. Luckily it's still relatively cheap where I'm at.
Make your own and you just pay for the milk!
been thinking about doing this for a while
Buckwheat and add butter. Delicious, nutritious and easy to prepare. I buy buckwheat for about 3$ CAD / 900 grams here in Canada.
Butter is neither cheap nor nutrient dense.
Butter can make cheap, nutrient dense food palatable.
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I think the list is a good starting point in terms of raw data, but what's with the donation ask on the side of the screen? It's just a list, and it's deficient in a number of ways, the biggest of them being that there's more to the "efficiency" of food than protein and calories per dollar.
Also this copy strikes me as the kind of sales-y humblebrag I see in fitness/self-improvement style online courses sold by "digital nomads":
> We graduated college, Masters and PhD. No Debt.
Why ask for donations then?
Don't fellowships and research grants already cover graduate school tuition? MS/Phd students aren't rich by any means, but they do receive a teaching stipend in addition to not paying tuition.
I get a weird vibe from the way the material on the site is communicated.
Also this copy strikes me as the kind of sales-y humblebrag I see in fitness/self-improvement style online courses sold by "digital nomads":
> We graduated college, Masters and PhD. No Debt.
Why ask for donations then?
Don't fellowships and research grants already cover graduate school tuition? MS/Phd students aren't rich by any means, but they do receive a teaching stipend in addition to not paying tuition.
I get a weird vibe from the way the material on the site is communicated.
I've browsed the website a number of times and I have never figured out how to /use/ the information. I suspect it's useless as a proper diet stretches far beyond calories and protein.
I spent a few months eating for £5 per week - not through choice. Most of what I ate was marked down (nearly out of date) loaves of white sliced bread and damaged cans of beans or spaghetti in tomato sauce. I’m quite tall so this wasn’t enough and after a few weeks I was in constant pain from hunger. There are many people in the UK for whom this is their life.
Curious: why not beg or dumpster dive if you were starving? I personally know somebody who used to panhandle at a freeway exit for drug money. They said $80-120 per day was regular. I also know someone who fed themselves entirely via picking through unwanted food at the back of super markets and restaurants (kind of a loopy hippie, live in a tent in the forest while attending college, etc.).
Head over to http://fallingfruit.org and do a filter for "Freegan". My locale has people marking dumpsters with food that is available. And if dumpster diving isn't your thing, then wild edibles is another option. I personally haven't dumpster dove for food, but based on what I have read, you'd be hard pressed to starve in the US.
http://fallingfruit.org/sharing?c=forager%2Cfreegan&locale=e...
http://fallingfruit.org/sharing?c=forager%2Cfreegan&locale=e...
Begging is very dangerous (where this took place) and involves being healthy enough to get yourself to somewhere it's even possible. Eating thrown away food seems like a good way to end up with something nasty.
Eventually, both of these would become options, but when you believe your situation has to be temporary, it feels safer to starve a little.
Eventually, both of these would become options, but when you believe your situation has to be temporary, it feels safer to starve a little.
> loaves of white sliced bread and damaged cans of beans
Don't you realize that those are very expensive? Cook rice, pasta or potatoes for your calories and you could get by on that amount without going hungry. I lived on that amount for years, you'd get around 4000 calories if you just bought cheap things which is more than you need so you can buy lentils, meat, fish and vegetables for the rest which is enough to get all nutrients you need. Might not get 100% optimal diet on this, but it is healthier than what most eat.
Don't you realize that those are very expensive? Cook rice, pasta or potatoes for your calories and you could get by on that amount without going hungry. I lived on that amount for years, you'd get around 4000 calories if you just bought cheap things which is more than you need so you can buy lentils, meat, fish and vegetables for the rest which is enough to get all nutrients you need. Might not get 100% optimal diet on this, but it is healthier than what most eat.
In Finland, where groceries are quite expensive as it is, you can get an enormous bag of white toast for about an euro. Same for a can of beans, a regular can is about 60 cents. If they're going out of date they can be up to 60%. Rice or potato is going to be more expensive.
Doesn't the UK have something equivalent to TANF/food stamps?
Care to share any numbers? That sounds horrible and unexpected.
Here is my list of foods that provide complete nutrition, that can be grown on an average-sized yard lot: https://automicrofarm.com/blog/2018/08/complete-nutrition-no...
Edit: I need to replace the stevia with honey, much more realistic from the advice I got.
Edit: I need to replace the stevia with honey, much more realistic from the advice I got.
Thanks for this. Do you have any recommendations for a DIY aquaponics setup? I've seen a lot of setups using PVC pipe although I'm not clear on how safe that is for food over the long term.
I actually have a ready-to-go DIY aquaponics plan using wading pools (HDPE) and PEX piping (no PVC), and two more plans in the works: indoor shelf system, and outdoor pond aquaponics system. If you don't mind, sign up for my mailing list, I plan to send out an email about aquaponics today: https://automicrofarm.com/.
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Helpful. But I think he sounds somewhat naive about why people buy what they buy.
"why do people think canned meats are a good deal?”
Canned meats don't go bad. You also don't have to thaw them out. I'm certainly no fan, but I can understand why people keep such things handy. What is the cost of running to the market more often because you refuse to buy such things? Time, after all, is money.
"we have no idea what nutrition costs."
There's more to nutrition than protein.
Yes, I think there's something here. But as-is it's a bit too simplistic. It needs some meat; pun intended ;)
"why do people think canned meats are a good deal?”
Canned meats don't go bad. You also don't have to thaw them out. I'm certainly no fan, but I can understand why people keep such things handy. What is the cost of running to the market more often because you refuse to buy such things? Time, after all, is money.
"we have no idea what nutrition costs."
There's more to nutrition than protein.
Yes, I think there's something here. But as-is it's a bit too simplistic. It needs some meat; pun intended ;)
"The most inexpensive fast food item is almost 2 times more expensive than eating at home"
My read of this is that if you can save more than $1000/month by not having a kitchen (say, you're in college or a high-cost-of-living area) then it might be worth it to eat out every day.
My read of this is that if you can save more than $1000/month by not having a kitchen (say, you're in college or a high-cost-of-living area) then it might be worth it to eat out every day.
I think that's saying the opposite. That is, it's cheaper to eat at home. I think we all know this.
But what is the cost (time) of going to the market? How often do you toss something out? Perhaps, not the best example, but Taco Bell is counter to hand to mouth. There's some overhead in waiting (but still shorter than cooking), but no waste.
But what is the cost (time) of going to the market? How often do you toss something out? Perhaps, not the best example, but Taco Bell is counter to hand to mouth. There's some overhead in waiting (but still shorter than cooking), but no waste.
Yes, it says the contrapositive.
I feel like a lot of advice of the form "it's cheaper to eat at home" comes from fairly privileged folks (middle class and up). If you don't a priori have a kitchen, then you might have to double your rent expense to afford a place where you can cook and eat at home.
Now, if you have a kitchen -- and many folks do -- then perfectly solid advice.
I feel like a lot of advice of the form "it's cheaper to eat at home" comes from fairly privileged folks (middle class and up). If you don't a priori have a kitchen, then you might have to double your rent expense to afford a place where you can cook and eat at home.
Now, if you have a kitchen -- and many folks do -- then perfectly solid advice.
I love this type of list. I'm frugal, super busy (read: lazy), and powerlift so I try to make a minimum-cost, high-protein, easy meal-prep every week. Having a high protein / calorie ratio is primary, but keeping it low-cost is a close second. I normally use a pressure cooker, 5-6 lbs of chicken breast, brown rice, and lots of veggies. It may sound boring, but it's great when you add stuff like chickpeas, delicious sauces / salsas, and try out different regional styles of cuisine. Check out the author's protein / dollar list - it's very helpful for the protein-obsessed.
https://efficiencyiseverything.com/applying-protein-per-doll...
https://efficiencyiseverything.com/applying-protein-per-doll...
If you can tolerate lactose, milk is the cheapest way to eat a good balance of high quality protein, fat, and carbs. 2400 calories for less than $3 at most grocery stores.
Then chicken is the lowest cost per calorie meat, so you're good there. May I also suggest large quantities of cheddar cheese and heavy whipping cream from Costco? Amazing value per dollar spent. Cheddar cheese (we have Tillamook at Costco out here on the west coast) is basically entirely protein and fat and then whipping cream is all fat.
Then chicken is the lowest cost per calorie meat, so you're good there. May I also suggest large quantities of cheddar cheese and heavy whipping cream from Costco? Amazing value per dollar spent. Cheddar cheese (we have Tillamook at Costco out here on the west coast) is basically entirely protein and fat and then whipping cream is all fat.
I love the Costco Tillamook cheddar and my girlfriend loves the whipped cream we get from there. I used to drink 2-4 cups of whole milk / day when paying off my student loans and bulking but it seemed to affect my stomach poorly. So I switched to almond milk for my protein shakes.
Some of my favorite ways to make tasty chicken + rice dishes from Costco is the Maya Kaimal simmer sauce the frozen stir fry vegetable mix. The simmer sauce isn't the cheapest option, but I pay extra to make my normally boring/cheap food taste good enough to eat for 5+ days straight. I use my pressure cooker and end up with super tasty Indian meals without the chicken being overcooked.
Kirkland Signature unsalted mixed nuts are also a lifesaver and a part of my daily breakfast. Decent calories / dollar (400 ish depending on the price) but great nutrition density.
Some of my favorite ways to make tasty chicken + rice dishes from Costco is the Maya Kaimal simmer sauce the frozen stir fry vegetable mix. The simmer sauce isn't the cheapest option, but I pay extra to make my normally boring/cheap food taste good enough to eat for 5+ days straight. I use my pressure cooker and end up with super tasty Indian meals without the chicken being overcooked.
Kirkland Signature unsalted mixed nuts are also a lifesaver and a part of my daily breakfast. Decent calories / dollar (400 ish depending on the price) but great nutrition density.
I love people who geek out about optimizing their diet.
> The simmer sauce isn't the cheapest option, but I pay extra to make my normally boring/cheap food taste good enough to eat for 5+ days straight
This is a great example of something that is more expensive in theory, but probably cheaper in practice, since it increases overall adherence to your diet plan.
> I love the Costco Tillamook cheddar
If you can't do lactose, then the pricing on Tillamook cheddar is basically the protein & fat portion of milk, without the very cheap carb calories. Carbs are always cheap to add via other sources anyway...
> The simmer sauce isn't the cheapest option, but I pay extra to make my normally boring/cheap food taste good enough to eat for 5+ days straight
This is a great example of something that is more expensive in theory, but probably cheaper in practice, since it increases overall adherence to your diet plan.
> I love the Costco Tillamook cheddar
If you can't do lactose, then the pricing on Tillamook cheddar is basically the protein & fat portion of milk, without the very cheap carb calories. Carbs are always cheap to add via other sources anyway...
Have you tried lactose-free milk and/or lactase pills? I've tried various types of plant milks, but I'm never satisfied by the taste.
You may want to substitute lentils, beans, or chickpeas for the rice. More nutrition and better for the climate.
I don't understand the protein/dollar column. Flour has protein listed as "3" and price as 1.68 but I can't see how to get 134 protein/dollar from these numbers. The calorie/dollar column works the way you would expect.
Good question. There's data missing in the table to determine how that column is calculated. Essentially, it's how much protein you would get in that total amount of calories while "protein" is how much protein you would get in a single serving. I looked at eggs and that's how things made sense.
Chicken thighs are much cheaper than breasts, are much more forgiving of over-cooking, and (IMO) taste better too. They presumably have a higher fat:protein ratio than breasts, but I imagine not enough to make a tangible difference.
In case people don't read to the bottom:
* Author's cookbook: https://efficiencyiseverything.com/The-Cookbook-v-1.4.pdf
* Author's weekly grocery list: https://efficiencyiseverything.com/Weekly_Groceries.pdf
* Author's cookbook: https://efficiencyiseverything.com/The-Cookbook-v-1.4.pdf
* Author's weekly grocery list: https://efficiencyiseverything.com/Weekly_Groceries.pdf
Interesting social media strategy.
https://twitter.com/eieMichaelKirk/status/102609142423065804...
https://twitter.com/eieMichaelKirk/status/102609142423065804...
Aaaaanndd he deleted it.
The guy was talking about reporting images of "obese" people on Instagram, lest other users think that behavior is acceptable. The accompanying screenshot was him on the Report pop-up, with the background image being 4 normal looking women posing for an engagement party or something.
The guy was talking about reporting images of "obese" people on Instagram, lest other users think that behavior is acceptable. The accompanying screenshot was him on the Report pop-up, with the background image being 4 normal looking women posing for an engagement party or something.
His latest tweet is an apology tweet, so he must be monitoring this thread.
Good on him for acknowledging it instead of just hiding that action. To me, a delete means "I no longer want people to know about this thing", but an apology in the same medium means "This thing is no longer representative of who I am".
Yeah... after skimming through his feed I am not inclined to support him in any way.
This one really gets to me...
>Being slightly sick has killed my mood and mindset. I can still work for 10 hours a day, but it doesn't feel good to live. Scary to think of what something like cancer could do to Productivity.
>Being slightly sick has killed my mood and mindset. I can still work for 10 hours a day, but it doesn't feel good to live. Scary to think of what something like cancer could do to Productivity.
Huh. Well, that's not good. I still like what the author has put together here and think it may help some people. But perhaps he needs to rethink some of his other ideas.
Author sounds a bit obsessive about all things in life. It's appropriate for a doctor to tell their patient the facts about their situation. If laypersons do that they are going to run into social friction.
Doctors would face the same amount of social friction if they did what this guy is doing, which is giving his unsolicited opinion about the health of people he does not know personally, and has only seen pictures of online.
It definitely puts his "Don't be Weak" ending line in the footer in a different light.
https://twitter.com/mkirktheyounger/status/10406378229888901...
Being slightly sick has killed my mood and mindset.
I can still work for 10 hours a day, but it doesn't feel good to live.
Scary to think of what something like cancer could do to Productivity.
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It's taken down, what did it say
I would like to see a version of this list (and the nutrient/calorie list) modified for ethically raised meat and other animal products. Sure chicken can be dirt cheap, but often that's enabled by raising them in unconscionable conditions.
The way we allow farmed animals to be raised is, honestly, horrifying.
I'm a meat eater, but I try to ensure I never buy meat or eggs unless the animal has been raised in good conditions.
In the past when money was tight, if I couldn't afford such meat, I'd just go without meat.
TBH, I don't really understand why governments allow animals to be kept in terrible conditions. I get that lobbying is strong in the US, but what about elsewhere? Or am I mistaken, are there countries that have good laws in place around animal welfare?
I'm a meat eater, but I try to ensure I never buy meat or eggs unless the animal has been raised in good conditions.
In the past when money was tight, if I couldn't afford such meat, I'd just go without meat.
TBH, I don't really understand why governments allow animals to be kept in terrible conditions. I get that lobbying is strong in the US, but what about elsewhere? Or am I mistaken, are there countries that have good laws in place around animal welfare?
Efficiency is not everything when it comes to nutrition.
Once someone is beyond being able to procure enough food to survive, utility is important to quality of life and long term health. What sort of utility?
1) Total caloric intake depending on if the goal is maintenance, weight loss, or weight gain.
2) Macronutrient split depending on specific health and/or performance goals. E.G. high protein for strength trainees.
3) Micronutrient split and density for general health and/or to correct deficiencies. For example, many people are Vitamin D deficient.
4) Mental health. An extreme approach to diet can create eating disorders and may lead to social isolation.
As with most things in life, there is a cost/benefit equation associated with nutrition choices, and focusing purely on efficiency most certainly has its costs - some of which are not obvious. Those costs can have a negative impact on short-term and long-term health. Health is easy to take for granted - until there’s an issue.
The point of my post? I hope that the takeaway from this article isn’t: “make cost efficiency your primary goal in food selection,” but rather, “carefully evaluate your specific situation, establish nutrition goals, and treat food intake like a solution to a problem - just make sure the problem(s) are very well defined.”
This advice applies to those that have the discretionary funds to facilitate this level of selectiveness, which I’m guessing applies to most people reading this.
Once someone is beyond being able to procure enough food to survive, utility is important to quality of life and long term health. What sort of utility?
1) Total caloric intake depending on if the goal is maintenance, weight loss, or weight gain.
2) Macronutrient split depending on specific health and/or performance goals. E.G. high protein for strength trainees.
3) Micronutrient split and density for general health and/or to correct deficiencies. For example, many people are Vitamin D deficient.
4) Mental health. An extreme approach to diet can create eating disorders and may lead to social isolation.
As with most things in life, there is a cost/benefit equation associated with nutrition choices, and focusing purely on efficiency most certainly has its costs - some of which are not obvious. Those costs can have a negative impact on short-term and long-term health. Health is easy to take for granted - until there’s an issue.
The point of my post? I hope that the takeaway from this article isn’t: “make cost efficiency your primary goal in food selection,” but rather, “carefully evaluate your specific situation, establish nutrition goals, and treat food intake like a solution to a problem - just make sure the problem(s) are very well defined.”
This advice applies to those that have the discretionary funds to facilitate this level of selectiveness, which I’m guessing applies to most people reading this.
Here's the best part of TFA for me:
"We graduated college, Masters and PhD. No Debt."
Good for you. I know it's a lot harder, but as we've been seeing over teh past 5-10 years, borrowing money to live on while you're in school will really mess up the next 10-20-30 years of your life.
"We graduated college, Masters and PhD. No Debt."
Good for you. I know it's a lot harder, but as we've been seeing over teh past 5-10 years, borrowing money to live on while you're in school will really mess up the next 10-20-30 years of your life.
This list looks wrong, you get way more than 1600 calories for $1 of pasta. 1kg of pasta is roughly 3,500 calories and shouldn't cost much more than a dollar. They must buy some very expensive brand to pay over $2 per kg, typically you can get it for less than $1 per kg...
Edit: Fixed calories per kg of dry pasta. Their value is still off though.
Edit again: I used Scandinavian prices which are typically much higher than American ones, but looking around it seems like people think it is normal for 1kg of pasta to cost $2? How can that be? Pasta is super cheap to produce and has years of shelf life, there is no reason at all why it should be expensive. It should be the cheapest wheat based product you can buy, certainly much cheaper than bread.
Edit: Fixed calories per kg of dry pasta. Their value is still off though.
Edit again: I used Scandinavian prices which are typically much higher than American ones, but looking around it seems like people think it is normal for 1kg of pasta to cost $2? How can that be? Pasta is super cheap to produce and has years of shelf life, there is no reason at all why it should be expensive. It should be the cheapest wheat based product you can buy, certainly much cheaper than bread.
Cheap pasta in US is likely to be around USD 1 per pound, or just over USD 2 per kilogram.
I chuckled when I saw in the cookbook to microwave for 99 seconds because it's more efficient than punching in 1:39. I do the same thing :)
666 for cooking veggies :)
However, sometimes you want to maximize protein per a meal's calories. Some things may seem 'cheap' but to maximize protein with those items you will blow out the calories chart. For example, it's better to rely on cottage cheese for protein instead of flour, despite the monetary cost looking favorable for the latter -- because the former will have your protein needs met with a smaller number of total calories, preventing you from gaining fat mass, assuming the rest of your diet follows similar reasoning.
I wish I could eat in this purely-thermodynamic way but I know I would be miserable. Carbohydrates just don't induce satiety in me like they seem to for other people.
I feel that, hard. I could eat my body weight in mashed potatoes or rice or noodles and still end up hungry an hour later.
Fat and (to a lesser extent) protein seem to have the largest effect on suppressing my appetite, and I have no idea why that is.
Fat and (to a lesser extent) protein seem to have the largest effect on suppressing my appetite, and I have no idea why that is.
It'd be nice to see data for vegetables, too. For instance, broccoli is relatively high in protein (and definitely micronutrients), but is rather cost ineffective. It'd also be fun to see how absurdly inefficient lettuce is.
Also, soybeans are more efficient than lentils and white beans are more versatile (e.g., https://github.com/nhynes/pbean)
Also, soybeans are more efficient than lentils and white beans are more versatile (e.g., https://github.com/nhynes/pbean)
Google says there is only 2.8g of protein per 100g of brocoli, which doesn't seem to be particularly noteworthy as vegetables go?
Edamame beans have 11g per 100g - I wonder if that makes economic sense?
Edamame beans have 11g per 100g - I wonder if that makes economic sense?
I'd like to see a protein / calorie ratio as well - flour has the most protein / dollar, but I wouldn't recommend it as a protein source.
This is fine except for the low-cost carbs. These have high glycemic indexes and glycemic loads. That means they cause insulin spikes in your bloodstream, which causes type 2 diabetes. And no, that is not just my opinion, it's the research-proven scientific consensus.
It's better to get your carbs from beans and also calories from healthy oils like olive and canola.
It's better to get your carbs from beans and also calories from healthy oils like olive and canola.
It is not obvious, but you can click on the headers of the table to sort it by the criteria you want to see.
It's weird that in the recipes at the bottom they never use eggs, that have a good protein/dollar ratio and are easy to store and cook.
It would be nice to see a dispersion graph of protein/dollar vs calories/dollar.
It's weird that in the recipes at the bottom they never use eggs, that have a good protein/dollar ratio and are easy to store and cook.
It would be nice to see a dispersion graph of protein/dollar vs calories/dollar.
A few of the recipes use eggs but you're right, they could be used more often. It's actually not bad to stir in an egg while cooking (for example) pasta to add flavor and protein. With the right ingredients you might not know it's there.
Also pure egg whites.
You get a lot of protein per calorie and they're often reasonably priced. A 750mL or 1L carton is often around $6. (Sorry, speaking in CAD)
If you measure your usage, then two whole egg whites is equal to about 60mL or a quarter-cup. (at least for the brand I buy).
Over a carton that's between 24 and 30 large egg whites. The economy is pretty good.
Usually in a week between my girlfriend and I go through one carton of egg whites and maybe a large carton of eggs (18). We both love eggs. And I make a scramble every morning after the gym with usually between 2-4 whole eggs and 2-6 egg whites (w/ red pepper, green onion, spinach).
If you don't like the flavour of eggs, I can understand... but I love them. If you do like them, I recommend egg whites as very easy, economical protein. Egg whites might even be suitable for people who don't care much for the flavour as they're much milder, and easy to mask as well.
You get a lot of protein per calorie and they're often reasonably priced. A 750mL or 1L carton is often around $6. (Sorry, speaking in CAD)
If you measure your usage, then two whole egg whites is equal to about 60mL or a quarter-cup. (at least for the brand I buy).
Over a carton that's between 24 and 30 large egg whites. The economy is pretty good.
Usually in a week between my girlfriend and I go through one carton of egg whites and maybe a large carton of eggs (18). We both love eggs. And I make a scramble every morning after the gym with usually between 2-4 whole eggs and 2-6 egg whites (w/ red pepper, green onion, spinach).
If you don't like the flavour of eggs, I can understand... but I love them. If you do like them, I recommend egg whites as very easy, economical protein. Egg whites might even be suitable for people who don't care much for the flavour as they're much milder, and easy to mask as well.
Or maybe better to cook a proper carbonara pasta with only guanciale (pork cheek), pecorino cheese and eggs.
It ain’t cheap, but I can assure you that it’s worth every penny when done properly.
I imagine "it ain't cheap" does not score well by the g protein/$ metric.
+1 for carbonara. With current anti-carb fads a lot of people have a kneejerk reaction against pasta. But good pasta dishes in modest portion sizes, often staying close to the Italian style recipes, have been good to me.
Also alla gricia or all'amatricana.
Also alla gricia or all'amatricana.
That's why the old drunks you see at the convience store, always buy a 6 pack of eggs to go with their two 40 oz beers. It's the days meal.
Understanding the science behind cooking is also beneficial:
https://www.amazon.com/Food-Cooking-Science-Lore-Kitchen/dp/...
You can also use a microwave to do things like cooking potatoes.
https://www.amazon.com/Food-Cooking-Science-Lore-Kitchen/dp/...
You can also use a microwave to do things like cooking potatoes.
thank you!
I've been looking for a resource like this.
I consider cooking a fantastic hobby, it
- provides an entry it lots of interesting scientific questions, both in food preparation and digestion/health.
- is a big money saver over a lifetime.
- is a great social activity with deep cultural roots.
As a programmer, I also enjoy the approximate and ephemeral nature of the process and product, similar to software engineering in some ways, completely different in others.
I've been looking for a resource like this.
I consider cooking a fantastic hobby, it
- provides an entry it lots of interesting scientific questions, both in food preparation and digestion/health.
- is a big money saver over a lifetime.
- is a great social activity with deep cultural roots.
As a programmer, I also enjoy the approximate and ephemeral nature of the process and product, similar to software engineering in some ways, completely different in others.
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I don't understand the protein/dollar column. Flour has protein listed as "3" and price as 1.68 but I can't see how to get 134 protein/dollar from these numbers. The calorie/dollar column works the way you would expect.
I’m guessing the protein column is per-serving. If so, it’s the only per-serving data here.
This reminds of the classic early linear programming problem / study, the Stigler diet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler_diet
Stigler had a more complete approach to the optimization but still incomplete. Needs more factors, the problem excluding actual design of meals and palatability is solvable in seconds using even an old computer. You can even be nonlinear and assign ranges, weights and even likelihoods that RDA is insufficient or excessive.
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I am seriously impressed with how efficient flour and white bread are.
Isn't this just tax dollars giving subsidies?
Not quite, wheat is cheap and easy to grow with both extensive and intensive farming options. Especially easy to harvest.
(Compared to, say, rice, corn, beans or even potatoes.)
Funny that white bread is cheaper when brown requires less processing.
(Compared to, say, rice, corn, beans or even potatoes.)
Funny that white bread is cheaper when brown requires less processing.
Perhaps, but also I don't think it's just coincidence that wheat and similar grains are what made western civilization possible.
They normally focus on carbs as the main calorie producer, one of the popular diet movements is to reduce the artificial sugar ramping up the carbs in foods. I've gone that way, reducing sugar/carbs in almost all my meals. To get enough calories and feel full, and not be full of carbs is trick, I find eggs, mushrooms, cauliflower and broccoli to be the trick to bulk out meals at a more affordable cost.
I had fun building something similar for a vending machine one day I was stuck at a Hotel waiting for an interview:
https://austingwalters.com/cost-per-calorie-from-a-vending-m...
Turns out PopTarts are ridiculously calorie dense per dollar. The breakdown was a bit different as it was what was available at the time.
https://austingwalters.com/cost-per-calorie-from-a-vending-m...
Turns out PopTarts are ridiculously calorie dense per dollar. The breakdown was a bit different as it was what was available at the time.
When you shop organic, things start to add up very quickly. And then there's supplements like Krill oil which (if you buy the proper stuff) can injure your budget substantially. Sure, the so called 'ramen diet' is good for a while but you quickly become mal-nourished and your body will start to crave avocados which cost $1.25 a pop in my area (which injures your budget).
But why would you shop organic
It's a well known fact that organic is the healthier option, and also well known that organic costs more. The idea behind organic is that no pesticides or are used in the growing process, so your produce is super clean and none of the harmful effects of pesticides are passed on to the buyer. Organic can also mean no preservatives are used so organic food doesn't last as long and perishes quickly (hence why it's so expensive to shop organic - shorter shelf life).
> It's a well known fact that organic is the healthier option
most research on this has been inconclusive, so no.
> The idea behind organic is that no pesticides or [sic] are used in the growing process
Also not true: organic farming allows pesticides, just not "synthetic" pesticides. As a matter of fact in most countries copper pesticides are allowed in organic farming and they have very well known environmental and human health effects (it's a heavy metal after all).
> Organic can also mean no preservatives
In most cases it doesn't
most research on this has been inconclusive, so no.
> The idea behind organic is that no pesticides or [sic] are used in the growing process
Also not true: organic farming allows pesticides, just not "synthetic" pesticides. As a matter of fact in most countries copper pesticides are allowed in organic farming and they have very well known environmental and human health effects (it's a heavy metal after all).
> Organic can also mean no preservatives
In most cases it doesn't
Because you thought their marketing effort was really just swell and they deserve some support for trying to hard.
If you use McDonalds coupons, you can probably replicate something close to this efficiency at McDs, though with a worse nutritional profile.
> though with a worse nutritional profile
Based upon the requirements they have on display - I don't think so. All they are measuring is the calories and protein. There's not comment on the other nutrients, nor on the salts or sugars (you'll notice that flour is the best protein/dollar ratio).
Based upon the requirements they have on display - I don't think so. All they are measuring is the calories and protein. There's not comment on the other nutrients, nor on the salts or sugars (you'll notice that flour is the best protein/dollar ratio).
Does McDs actually have a worse nutritional profile?
I was in Taco Bell the other day and noticed, a dollar menu burrito has 400+ calories. Sure enough it made this list.
It's only this cheap because it's a loss leader and has low other nutritional value.
I prefer to think about about how much time I spend on food- buying it, cooking it, cleaning afterwards, plus my labor spent at work to buy the food in the first place. By my calculations, I was spending almost 4 hours a day feeding my self.
Now I have a Soylent subscription and my time spent on food is half an hour a day.
Now I have a Soylent subscription and my time spent on food is half an hour a day.
Hows your bathroom visits? I cant even imagine eating soy based for an entire week.
Unsurprising to a college student, peanut butter, Kraft MacnCheese and Ramen are on the list and pretty high up.
> Eating only white bread will cost you about $200 dollars a year in grocery bills but thousands of dollars of medical bills when you get Scurvy! Eat diverse foods for your health and sanity
This footnote should be the headline. Yes, you can eat calorie-dense crap and survive, but your health will suffer.
This footnote should be the headline. Yes, you can eat calorie-dense crap and survive, but your health will suffer.
TIL one year’s worth of raspberry calories is a starting salary for a coder in the Midwest.
I highly recommend Frances Moore Lappe's book Diet for a Small Planet to anybody who's interested in eating inexpensive, nutritious food.
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