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Now imagine trying to be a politician in that hypothetical world. Make one person angry enough to kill you, and you die.
If you haven’t, I recommend reading “Assassination Politics” by Jim Bell. It’s an interesting though exercise.
If you haven’t, I recommend reading “Assassination Politics” by Jim Bell. It’s an interesting though exercise.
In the 1942 Captain Future pulp "Outlaws of the Moon" [1], President Carthew was anonymously murdered by a drone.
[1] https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/have-no-fear-of-the-bayi...
[1] https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/have-no-fear-of-the-bayi...
> Now imagine trying to be a politician in that hypothetical world. Make one person angry enough to kill you, and you die.
Politicians already more or less live in that world... it's why they no longer ride in convertibles with the windows down.
Politicians already more or less live in that world... it's why they no longer ride in convertibles with the windows down.
The level of political violence in the US is so low that every time antifa and Proud Boys have a rumble it’s national news. If there was a real political violence problem every governor, senator and congressman would have their own security detail. Supreme Court justices sure as hell wouldn’t take public transport in DC.
And I'm arguing that adding drones and crypto isn't going to move the needle very far. The US already has the Second Amendment, a thoroughly armed populace and a deeply ingrained cultural belief in the necessity of political violence to a free state (watering the "Tree of Liberty" and such.)
Violence isn't going to explode exponentially merely because an efficient market forms to enable it - if that were the case, the US would already be knee deep in blood, because having that is literally baked into its system as a feature.
Violence isn't going to explode exponentially merely because an efficient market forms to enable it - if that were the case, the US would already be knee deep in blood, because having that is literally baked into its system as a feature.
The key here is anonymous market. Random "well-armed" individual contemplating a political assassination is most likely considering it as a suicide attack. An easy-to-use anonymous assassination market would be a qualitative change here.
That still assumes there is a large and untapped consumer base of potential assassins out there who are only not killing politicians because doing so isn't easy enough or anonymous.
People like Jim Bell assume everyone is as sociopathic as they are, but most people aren't. Everyone hates politicians, the government, taxes, etc, but most people aren't willing to kill even if they can get technically away with it. Meanwhile, the personality type willing to commit political violence to begin with is already radicalized enough in their beliefs to likely be willing to risk being caught, even if only for the notoriety. There's no real "casual" market, here.
Then, when you consider the fact that most such sites will always be either honeypots or scams, and the fact that people make OPSEC mistakes all the time (DPR,) meaning people will be caught (and thus, people will know that it's possible to be caught,) then it doesn't seem as qualitative a change as it initially appears.
People like Jim Bell assume everyone is as sociopathic as they are, but most people aren't. Everyone hates politicians, the government, taxes, etc, but most people aren't willing to kill even if they can get technically away with it. Meanwhile, the personality type willing to commit political violence to begin with is already radicalized enough in their beliefs to likely be willing to risk being caught, even if only for the notoriety. There's no real "casual" market, here.
Then, when you consider the fact that most such sites will always be either honeypots or scams, and the fact that people make OPSEC mistakes all the time (DPR,) meaning people will be caught (and thus, people will know that it's possible to be caught,) then it doesn't seem as qualitative a change as it initially appears.
> That still assumes there is a large and untapped consumer base of potential assassins out there who are only not killing politicians because doing so isn't easy enough or anonymous.
I don’t think it does.
Consider that the purpose of a marketplace is to connect people who want to produce a good or service with those who want to consume it. Right now, there is a disconnect between “people who want to kill <public figure>” and “people who are willing to kill <public figure>”. A market would change that dynamic.
> People like Jim Bell assume everyone is as sociopathic as they are, but most people aren't. Everyone hates politicians, the government, taxes, etc, but most people aren't willing to kill even if they can get technically away with it. Meanwhile, the personality type willing to commit political violence to begin with is already radicalized enough in their beliefs to likely be willing to risk being caught, even if only for the notoriety. There's no real "casual" market, here.
A market would require two parties: someone who cares enough to pay, and someone who needs the money enough to do it.
If payments are truly anonymous and untraceable, then I’m sure that there are plenty of people and entities out there willing to post the bounty.
If payments are ensured and publicly verifiable, then the consumer here isn’t an “assassin” - it’s someone who needs money badly. Someone who is suicidal but wants to set their family up for life, for instance - or someone who has been diagnosed with a terminal illness and sees claiming an assassination contract as a means of ensuring that their family is taken care of after they’re gone.
At any rate, it’s all in the essay. At the end of the day it’s just a thought exercise.
I don’t think it does.
Consider that the purpose of a marketplace is to connect people who want to produce a good or service with those who want to consume it. Right now, there is a disconnect between “people who want to kill <public figure>” and “people who are willing to kill <public figure>”. A market would change that dynamic.
> People like Jim Bell assume everyone is as sociopathic as they are, but most people aren't. Everyone hates politicians, the government, taxes, etc, but most people aren't willing to kill even if they can get technically away with it. Meanwhile, the personality type willing to commit political violence to begin with is already radicalized enough in their beliefs to likely be willing to risk being caught, even if only for the notoriety. There's no real "casual" market, here.
A market would require two parties: someone who cares enough to pay, and someone who needs the money enough to do it.
If payments are truly anonymous and untraceable, then I’m sure that there are plenty of people and entities out there willing to post the bounty.
If payments are ensured and publicly verifiable, then the consumer here isn’t an “assassin” - it’s someone who needs money badly. Someone who is suicidal but wants to set their family up for life, for instance - or someone who has been diagnosed with a terminal illness and sees claiming an assassination contract as a means of ensuring that their family is taken care of after they’re gone.
At any rate, it’s all in the essay. At the end of the day it’s just a thought exercise.
Wrong shooter, wrong targets. Not allowed to talk about that.
Politicians still attend planned outdoor events. Drones can be deployed at the security perimeter, fly rather quickly, and carry an explosive payload. I'm not sure security is good enough to stop a swarm of such.
They already have that threat from guns, and already have ways to protect themselves. Bulletproof glass would stop a drone too. Drones don't sound like a real problem compared to guns which somehow haven't assassinated every politician despite being remote controlled point and click instant killing machines that are also cheap and widely available.
Black Mirror covered this scenario in S03E06: Hated in the Nation.
That has drone killing, but not an assassination market. No one pays or receives money.
That is true. But they could, they have the technology, they would just need the marketplace.
I'd rather imagine I'm an average person who may have said something on an internet forum that set a nutter off if I want to be disturbed.
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another good one is the calvino short story 'Beheading the Heads'
That's a good thing. The risk of assassination is a core component of the balance of power between the state and the people.
Actually quite useful for euthanasia.
In my country, euthanasia is legal, but it's very difficult to stipulate it. For instance, saying you want to be euthanized when you get Alzheimer, is extremely difficult. Such a website could be a solution.
In my country, euthanasia is legal, but it's very difficult to stipulate it. For instance, saying you want to be euthanized when you get Alzheimer, is extremely difficult. Such a website could be a solution.
To be fair: it is pretty final. Part of the issue with, say, Alzheimers, is that though you might feel strongly about it when you write it, you might feel strongly as you want to live when you have Alzheimers. You leave the people euthanizing folks that don't want to die, which can feel more like murder than a compassionate act.
We need a better system for this. Sure, useful for this, but one's family shouldn't have to resort to what is technically murder to do this. There are surely other methods, like adding qualifiers to the Alzheimer's clause and verified on multiple occasions.
Don't get me wrong, I'm very pro-euthanasia, even in a few ways that aren't really socially acceptable. (Alternative to suicide, so long as it persists over some time and one has tried treatments. Oldish but healthy. And so on, so long as it is planned out).
We need a better system for this. Sure, useful for this, but one's family shouldn't have to resort to what is technically murder to do this. There are surely other methods, like adding qualifiers to the Alzheimer's clause and verified on multiple occasions.
Don't get me wrong, I'm very pro-euthanasia, even in a few ways that aren't really socially acceptable. (Alternative to suicide, so long as it persists over some time and one has tried treatments. Oldish but healthy. And so on, so long as it is planned out).
> AI drone and carry out the hit
See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterbots (a frightening horror mockumentary).
See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterbots (a frightening horror mockumentary).
A bit morbid, but how does that work? That is, Bitcoin for murder? Is there some kind of escrow, or do people just send a bunch of money hoping they get what they paid for?
There already exists at least one decentralized prediction market, Augur (based on Ethereum). Unlike centralized ones, anyone can make a contract about literally any future hypothetical event and then make a market in it.
This can easily be used to create so-called "assassination markets" (a Googleable phrase, not my own).
You could simply create a market like "Will so and so die before such and such date?" Then you place a massive bid order at 99.99% odds. Any would-be takers would then have to put up say $1, go out and kill the person before the specified date, and now they're sitting on tokens that are worth $10,000, because the market will resolve to "true."
This can easily be used to create so-called "assassination markets" (a Googleable phrase, not my own).
You could simply create a market like "Will so and so die before such and such date?" Then you place a massive bid order at 99.99% odds. Any would-be takers would then have to put up say $1, go out and kill the person before the specified date, and now they're sitting on tokens that are worth $10,000, because the market will resolve to "true."
The author talks about that in the latter half of the article, they just pay them hoping they get what they paid for even though there are clear signs of it being a scam.
Mind your words. Imagine the world you want. The things you want to see. Not the world you don't.
Since this kind of scam "murder for hire" site has been around the dark web for a while and apparently, there are people dumb enough to pay them something, one would hope that various law enforcement agencies have set up fake sites and are harvesting erstwhile 'clients'.
However, based on the article, there's an apparent lack of law enforcement interest due to jurisdictional challenges. Perhaps it's also harder to get govt funding for something as 'routine' as attempted murder vs headline fodder like pedos.
I imagine there might be an opportunity for a reality TV producer to create a "To Catch a Murderer" show along the lines of "To Catch a Predator." Once they have a real 'client', they could let the client know a date and time for which they'll need an alibi and then suggest a nearby location that has video surveillance by which the would-be client can establish their presence.
That creates an oppty for the host of the show to approach the client at the alibi location, ostensibly to return the client's money because there are 'problems' with the hit. The ensuing conversation would likely lead to some high ratings as well as broadcast-quality, multi-angle indictment evidence.
However, based on the article, there's an apparent lack of law enforcement interest due to jurisdictional challenges. Perhaps it's also harder to get govt funding for something as 'routine' as attempted murder vs headline fodder like pedos.
I imagine there might be an opportunity for a reality TV producer to create a "To Catch a Murderer" show along the lines of "To Catch a Predator." Once they have a real 'client', they could let the client know a date and time for which they'll need an alibi and then suggest a nearby location that has video surveillance by which the would-be client can establish their presence.
That creates an oppty for the host of the show to approach the client at the alibi location, ostensibly to return the client's money because there are 'problems' with the hit. The ensuing conversation would likely lead to some high ratings as well as broadcast-quality, multi-angle indictment evidence.
> "To Catch a Murderer"
Scene: a quiet house in the middle of suburbia of Nowhere, MO. The house is dark.
From the inside, someone hears a tapping at the window. The killer quietly slides the window up and through the frame.
Suddenly, all the lights come on and Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up" starts blaring through a Logitech Z906 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker System. The killer immediately tries to jump back through the window, but – smack! – the window is shut. It's bulletproof glass, and has been remotely locked.
The song mutes. "Take a seat."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c1vWnF9bS4
Scene: a quiet house in the middle of suburbia of Nowhere, MO. The house is dark.
From the inside, someone hears a tapping at the window. The killer quietly slides the window up and through the frame.
Suddenly, all the lights come on and Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up" starts blaring through a Logitech Z906 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker System. The killer immediately tries to jump back through the window, but – smack! – the window is shut. It's bulletproof glass, and has been remotely locked.
The song mutes. "Take a seat."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c1vWnF9bS4
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thats like the plot of john wick, brilliant!
> there's an apparent lack of law enforcement interest
Imagine how better the world would be if all the effort, time & money spent on litigating bullshit like DMCA, piracy & patents was instead invested into solving real crimes like this.
Imagine how better the world would be if all the effort, time & money spent on litigating bullshit like DMCA, piracy & patents was instead invested into solving real crimes like this.
That’s one heck of a good idea. I’d actually subscribe to cable to watch that show.
Erstwhile means "former" not "potential."
> one would hope that various law enforcement agencies have set up fake sites and are harvesting erstwhile 'clients'
This is entrapment, and is therefore highly illegal and in my opinion immoral as well.
This is entrapment, and is therefore highly illegal and in my opinion immoral as well.
It's not entrapment. Entrapment is a very narrow set of circumstances.
>The key aspect of entrapment is this: Government agents do not entrap defendants simply by offering them an opportunity to commit a crime. Judges expect people to resist any ordinary temptation to violate the law.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/entrapment-basics-33...
>The key aspect of entrapment is this: Government agents do not entrap defendants simply by offering them an opportunity to commit a crime. Judges expect people to resist any ordinary temptation to violate the law.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/entrapment-basics-33...
Given that FBI is famous for catching terrorists 'red-handed' with bombs they provided, who were recruited to commit terrorist acts by FBI agents, and sometimes are mentally ill, I'd say the standard for entrapment is quite high.
Are you sure that’s real? If so, do you links to further reading?
This is a good read: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-plot...
> This is entrapment, and is therefore highly illegal and in my opinion immoral as well.
This would not be entrapment as I described it (emulating the site in the article). I agree with you that law enforcement has been guilty of egregious entrapment by hanging around conservative mosques initiating contact and actively promoting jihad, then encouraging any vaguely interested response to the extreme of supplying the idea, plan, accomplices and means.
What I described was a "murder for hire" site hiding on the dark web and requiring initiating and inquiry, responding positively, specifying the 'hit', paying in advance in bitcoin and finally supplying a name, address and photo of the person to kill.
While non-terrorists certainly attend conservative mosques, it's hard to see how someone NOT very interested in commissioning a murder accidently sends an inquiry, specifies the job, pays a hard-to-get currency in advance, etc.
This would not be entrapment as I described it (emulating the site in the article). I agree with you that law enforcement has been guilty of egregious entrapment by hanging around conservative mosques initiating contact and actively promoting jihad, then encouraging any vaguely interested response to the extreme of supplying the idea, plan, accomplices and means.
What I described was a "murder for hire" site hiding on the dark web and requiring initiating and inquiry, responding positively, specifying the 'hit', paying in advance in bitcoin and finally supplying a name, address and photo of the person to kill.
While non-terrorists certainly attend conservative mosques, it's hard to see how someone NOT very interested in commissioning a murder accidently sends an inquiry, specifies the job, pays a hard-to-get currency in advance, etc.
> In June 2018, news came of a second death from the kill list. Twenty-one-year-old Bryan Njoroge was found dead in Indiana, shot in the head on a baseball field. The police ruled the death a suicide. Weeks earlier, a user with the alias Toonbib had paid around $5,500 to order his murder and provided details of his upcoming travel. Njoroge was a U.S. military serviceman who, before he died, had made a female friend the beneficiary of his life-insurance policy. His father questions whether the death was a suicide, but the local police department has said that it is aware of the dark-web assassination order and stands by its conclusion.
It's possible that the police know something the father does not. I would not put it past a suicidal person to order a hit on himself.
It's possible that the police know something the father does not. I would not put it past a suicidal person to order a hit on himself.
Ordering a hit on yourself doesn't really make it a suicide, someone has still committed murder
I know nothing of the particulars of this case, but a person could order a fake hit and then kill themselves in order to make it look like a murder to ensure the life insurance payout.
For purposes of a life insurance payout, ordering a real hit on yourself, and dying in it, is most definitely suicide.
I mean maybe, if you thought the hit was real and were disappointed when nothing happened you might go that route.
Or if you fully intended to commit suicide and were only interested in a hit as a way to make sure the insurance pays out.
Trying to make sure someone gets a life insurance pay out is a really common feature of a lot of stories about suicide.
Trying to make sure someone gets a life insurance pay out is a really common feature of a lot of stories about suicide.
Most life insurance policies actually do cover suicide.
That's about as criminal as murdering someone though.
There's nothing for the police to stand beside, behind, in front of or crouch and whimper inside of in this case.
> about as criminal as murdering someone
If you think insurance fraud is anywhere near as criminal as murder, then I worry for whatever juridiction you live in.
If you think insurance fraud is anywhere near as criminal as murder, then I worry for whatever juridiction you live in.
I think killing yourself for insurance fraud is definitely near murder. But that's just me.
That's just you. Killing yourself is nowhere near as serious as killing someone else; the insurance fraud leaves that conclusion untouched.
If the one ordered to do the killing knows the target is the one ordering the kill and the target is of a sound mind, I would call it assisted suicide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_death), and I wouldn’t call what the killer did murder.
> It's possible that the police know something the father does not. I would not put it past a suicidal person to order a hit on himself.
It's absurd to assume the police wouldn't share such information with the victim's father. And if someone would order a hit on themselves, the police would still classify this as murder.
It's absurd to assume the police wouldn't share such information with the victim's father. And if someone would order a hit on themselves, the police would still classify this as murder.
The police in the article declined to share info that would have been helpful had the victim known. I'm trying not to assume anything about what they would or wouldn't share.
You're right on the other point though, if the hit actually happened there would definitely be a murder there, regardless of any suicidal actions on the client/victim's part.
Which leads to another question: If the hit website was a scam, and you tried to put a hit on yourself, could you be criminally charged with attempted murder of yourself?
You're right on the other point though, if the hit actually happened there would definitely be a murder there, regardless of any suicidal actions on the client/victim's part.
Which leads to another question: If the hit website was a scam, and you tried to put a hit on yourself, could you be criminally charged with attempted murder of yourself?
>Now it’s easy to purchase bitcoins on any number of mainstream markets and “tumble” them so that their point of purchase is obscured. Similarly, thanks to Tor, accessing the dark web requires only opening a browser and enduring slower download speeds.
lol has the author tried buying bitcoins and then tumbling them? I would not call submitting tons of ID to buy and withdrawal $5000 of bitcoin and then setting up tor and getting a tumbler working to be easy, and not getting scammed in the process. Also tor and tumblers are not necessarily fully anonymous.
lol has the author tried buying bitcoins and then tumbling them? I would not call submitting tons of ID to buy and withdrawal $5000 of bitcoin and then setting up tor and getting a tumbler working to be easy, and not getting scammed in the process. Also tor and tumblers are not necessarily fully anonymous.
>Also tor and tumblers are not necessarily fully anonymous
Money quote right there.
I'm not sure how many people consider using this sort of thing to skirt the law. But believing in the anonymity of anything on the internet while you're skirting the law has landed many a naive person in prison. Especially if that person was within the jurisdictional reach of the US government.
Money quote right there.
I'm not sure how many people consider using this sort of thing to skirt the law. But believing in the anonymity of anything on the internet while you're skirting the law has landed many a naive person in prison. Especially if that person was within the jurisdictional reach of the US government.
Bitcoin Fog did pretty well during its run. It mixed Bitcoin from at least two huge thefts. At least one of them generated a huge Reddit crowd-sourced tracking effort. And as far as I know, nothing was ever tracked.
I do get that Monero is ~anonymous by design.
But then, how does one buy it anonymously? All I see are exchanges that implement KYC. Using bank transfers and credit/debit cards. Are there any cash by mail exchanges? Or even local meatspace exchanging?
I do get that Monero is ~anonymous by design.
But then, how does one buy it anonymously? All I see are exchanges that implement KYC. Using bank transfers and credit/debit cards. Are there any cash by mail exchanges? Or even local meatspace exchanging?
There are atm machines popping up where you can go and deposit cash to get btc. They typically have phone number requirements for transactions under $3000 (over requires ID) and they are located in places with cameras (e.g. gas stations/convenience stores), but those restrictions are easily worked around (burner phone/pay a homeless person/disguise) if you have the desire.
localbitcoins.com
have these people not heard of monero?
In Canada you can buy btc in cash at any post office without ID.
How?
They appear to have an ID verification program Bitcoin exchanges are using (https://www.canadapost.ca/cpc/en/business/postal-services/di...) but I'm unable to Google up how you'd buy BTC there.
They appear to have an ID verification program Bitcoin exchanges are using (https://www.canadapost.ca/cpc/en/business/postal-services/di...) but I'm unable to Google up how you'd buy BTC there.
There's a service where you pay to have money put onto a "gift card" that has a QR code. Scan the QR code and the funds get sent to your Kraken account.
I've read another article related to this about a year ago:
"The unbelievable tale of a fake hitman, a kill list, a darknet vigilante... and a murder": https://www.wired.co.uk/article/kill-list-dark-web-hitmen
HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18767657
"The unbelievable tale of a fake hitman, a kill list, a darknet vigilante... and a murder": https://www.wired.co.uk/article/kill-list-dark-web-hitmen
HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18767657
This was a really interesting and worthwhile read despite the two pop ups.
The Beau Brigham case mentioned is sad[0]...guy seems to have been given a shit lot in life (bedridden with illness for 5 years), payed a token $3.50 for an assassination attempt on his stepmother, then received 3 years in jail. No one should allow their frustrations to build up to actionable murderous intent but you I can't help feel for the guy to some extent. 3 years in jail is probably not the sort of help he needed.
That article also mentions how Monteiro is a registered sex offender related to child pornography. This article[1] goes in to more detail, stating that Monteiro had "58 images of child pornography on his computer, most of which he created" and that "he committed illegal acts in order to access content on the dark web. Monteiro said he compromised and shut down websites while obtaining information about the case". Seems like these child porn sites require users to generate content to gain and maintain access.
Hard to tell from the testimony the intent and extent of good or harm Monteiro did around the child porn stuff. There should really be more published details around the sex offender registry - did someone swap nudes with their underage girlfriend or actively film abuse of their kids? There is a massive difference.
Regardless, Monteiro is doing awesome work around the murder for hire business. Really tricky field to navigate, and seemingly quite taxing and unrewarding. He published this cool public data on murder for hire statistics here [2]
[0] https://calcoasttimes.com/2019/08/15/jury-finds-beau-brigham... [1] https://calcoasttimes.com/2019/07/31/key-witness-in-slo-murd... [2] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AICLS8bS6Kh4GgRTWkSf...
The Beau Brigham case mentioned is sad[0]...guy seems to have been given a shit lot in life (bedridden with illness for 5 years), payed a token $3.50 for an assassination attempt on his stepmother, then received 3 years in jail. No one should allow their frustrations to build up to actionable murderous intent but you I can't help feel for the guy to some extent. 3 years in jail is probably not the sort of help he needed.
That article also mentions how Monteiro is a registered sex offender related to child pornography. This article[1] goes in to more detail, stating that Monteiro had "58 images of child pornography on his computer, most of which he created" and that "he committed illegal acts in order to access content on the dark web. Monteiro said he compromised and shut down websites while obtaining information about the case". Seems like these child porn sites require users to generate content to gain and maintain access.
Hard to tell from the testimony the intent and extent of good or harm Monteiro did around the child porn stuff. There should really be more published details around the sex offender registry - did someone swap nudes with their underage girlfriend or actively film abuse of their kids? There is a massive difference.
Regardless, Monteiro is doing awesome work around the murder for hire business. Really tricky field to navigate, and seemingly quite taxing and unrewarding. He published this cool public data on murder for hire statistics here [2]
[0] https://calcoasttimes.com/2019/08/15/jury-finds-beau-brigham... [1] https://calcoasttimes.com/2019/07/31/key-witness-in-slo-murd... [2] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AICLS8bS6Kh4GgRTWkSf...
The Wired article on the original Silk Road back in 2012 was responsible for driving a huge amount of traffic to the site. Harper's has a smaller readership than Wired and fewer people are interested in pursuing hits than getting high (hopefully), so maybe that won't happen here, but I worry that the article will put these forums on people's radars. Thankfully the clearnet sites that track darknet .onion addresses usually avoid having sites like these listed.
A headline designed to make me not want to.. click on it. Luckily reading the comments here got me much of the sense.
So while I don't really participate in cryptocurrencies anymore I have a basic knowledge of how it all works and have read up on ETH contracts. Couldn't someone create a contract on the ETH network (my terminology might be off) that allows you send a message to contract with a name (maybe more PII), a date, and some amount of ETH to create the system Jim Bell hypothesized?
Obviously a big issue would be "death confirmation" as is how do we know X person is actually dead so we can pay out to the "winner"? I imagine it could be done through some kind of majority system but what incentive would other "donators"/"would be killers" have to confirm a death has happened if they aren't the beneficiary? I'm sure someone clever could think of some way to do it...
Obviously a big issue would be "death confirmation" as is how do we know X person is actually dead so we can pay out to the "winner"? I imagine it could be done through some kind of majority system but what incentive would other "donators"/"would be killers" have to confirm a death has happened if they aren't the beneficiary? I'm sure someone clever could think of some way to do it...
The problem you describe is not really solved (at least not to my knowledge) and is often referred to as the Oracle problem in smart contracts.
For the second part, look at prediction markets like Augur.
Anyone could see who the "winner" is though I believe?
>Her father gave her a pocketknife, and her boyfriend gave her a bigger knife to carry in her purse.
Stories like make me appreciate that someone can purchase and conceal a small firearm (in most cities). All things unequal, a person with a gun is always extremely dangerous.
The police, after all, have no actual legal requirement to protect you[1] — and never forget that.
1. https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-y...
Stories like make me appreciate that someone can purchase and conceal a small firearm (in most cities). All things unequal, a person with a gun is always extremely dangerous.
The police, after all, have no actual legal requirement to protect you[1] — and never forget that.
1. https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-y...
Miss Stern graduated high school in 2018, so she is probably too young to purchase or legally carry a pistol — that age is 21 across the U.S., to my knowledge and perhaps with a few exceptions.
I would agree that arming herself is a really good idea.
I would agree that arming herself is a really good idea.
I was sure that TFA would cover the US drone program. That's exactly how it works for the people controlling the drones. Just like a game.
Interesting Story. Nice of the journalist to forewarn the suspect so any proof can be destroyed.
Suspect on linkedin I see. https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrian-fry-366693b2/
Suspect on linkedin I see. https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrian-fry-366693b2/
You'd think it'd cost more money to kill someone. You'd have to pay insurance for the assassin. If something went wrong you'd need to pay the costs of taking care of the assassin's family. Whole lotta trouble.
That's only important if future assassins know if past assassins are mistreated.
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Indeed, as revealed in his court documents, Ross Ulbricht paid a lot more more money than this (by an order of magnitude) to have his darknet hits carried out (although he was likely being scammed).
The price mismatch makes me skeptical of this story.
The price mismatch makes me skeptical of this story.
> although he was likely being scammed
It was the FBI posing as a "Hell's Angel" gang member. That part was revealed pretty early on after his arrest.
It was the FBI posing as a "Hell's Angel" gang member. That part was revealed pretty early on after his arrest.
Makes be think of slaughterbots based on some comments and concepts touched on here
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HipTO_7mUOw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HipTO_7mUOw
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I thought this might be about a viral facebook post that said something like "click here and a <something> will die" and how many people clicked.
Potentially unpopular opinion: This is one of the reasons why we as a society can't afford to allow untraceable electronic money transactions.
Imagine the combination of perfectly untraceable money transactions with actual working low-cost swarms of facial recognition-based killbots/drones.
That's what, maybe 5-7 years away from now?
The risk here is that the cost of a hit could go down to very low costs, say between $1k to $10k per hit/murder. If it goes that low we're screwed as a society, especially if the transactions aren't traceable.
Imagine the combination of perfectly untraceable money transactions with actual working low-cost swarms of facial recognition-based killbots/drones.
That's what, maybe 5-7 years away from now?
The risk here is that the cost of a hit could go down to very low costs, say between $1k to $10k per hit/murder. If it goes that low we're screwed as a society, especially if the transactions aren't traceable.
Thing is, it doesn't really matter what you "allow". There's no way to enforce it for these kinds of uses. A blanket ban can put it outside of purview of your average mildly curious common person for purposes like, say, buying recreational drugs. But if they have seriously decided that they want to murder someone, they'll find out how to make that payment - and you can't meaningfully trace that short of full online Panopticon (all connections wiretapped 24/7, all Internet access tied to secure real name ID).
There's a lot more coming. 3D printers similarly enable access to stuff that a lot of people would like to get banned, such as firearms and accessories to them. For example, it is already possible to 3D-print a high-capacity Glock magazine completely from scratch (the only metal part is the spring, and even that is bent to shape out of a suitable steel wire using a 3D-printed jig). And it costs about $200 one-off for the printer, and <$1 per magazine thereafter. There are already laws that make doing this illegal in some locations, but again - how do you actually enforce them?
Our societies will have to either go high-tech totalitarian, or learn to live with these possibilities. I hope it's going to be the latter; after all, past societies - before the growth of administrative state with its IDs, registries, accounting, and pervasive bureaucracy - already had to deal with a situation where it was very hard to track a determined criminal. But looking at the evolution of surveillance and police power laws in modern developed democracies and China, it's probably going to be the former.
There's a lot more coming. 3D printers similarly enable access to stuff that a lot of people would like to get banned, such as firearms and accessories to them. For example, it is already possible to 3D-print a high-capacity Glock magazine completely from scratch (the only metal part is the spring, and even that is bent to shape out of a suitable steel wire using a 3D-printed jig). And it costs about $200 one-off for the printer, and <$1 per magazine thereafter. There are already laws that make doing this illegal in some locations, but again - how do you actually enforce them?
Our societies will have to either go high-tech totalitarian, or learn to live with these possibilities. I hope it's going to be the latter; after all, past societies - before the growth of administrative state with its IDs, registries, accounting, and pervasive bureaucracy - already had to deal with a situation where it was very hard to track a determined criminal. But looking at the evolution of surveillance and police power laws in modern developed democracies and China, it's probably going to be the former.
My informed gut feeling is that legislation is surprisingly efficient.
Your tangent on 3d-printing aside: If we decide to make cryptocurrencies illegal, I think that will solve like 80% of the problem. Given the tradeoffs involved, I think that's worth doing.
Your tangent on 3d-printing aside: If we decide to make cryptocurrencies illegal, I think that will solve like 80% of the problem. Given the tradeoffs involved, I think that's worth doing.
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What an amazing, jarring read.
Hard to not come away from this article with a sense that the FBI and other law enforcement organizations are simply incapable and unwilling to do their jobs.
For example, this sentence: "The FBI has a mandate to pursue only those crimes that violate a federal statute." Sorry, but how can a crime over the Internet like this NOT violate federal statutes? It's impossible. By definition all these crimes would be pursued at the federal level.
Then there's the description of the interview where they interviewed the husband and wife together despite the husband being the main suspect. That's like pulling the plug on your server and wondering why the website's down. Beyond incredibly stupid to the point where it's hard to believe that actually happened. Those agents should themselves be charged for facilitating that murder.
I won't bother to go into the failing of allowing the identification of the British guy who placed the hit either by not allowing his ex-gf to read his messages. How dumb are these fucking cops?
The whole piece reads like a story of police, FBI, and law enforcement failings at every level. It's practically guaranteed that hits are taking place online and this is law enforcement's response? Making things worse or at the very best, fucking up investigations with their extreme stupidity.
For example, this sentence: "The FBI has a mandate to pursue only those crimes that violate a federal statute." Sorry, but how can a crime over the Internet like this NOT violate federal statutes? It's impossible. By definition all these crimes would be pursued at the federal level.
Then there's the description of the interview where they interviewed the husband and wife together despite the husband being the main suspect. That's like pulling the plug on your server and wondering why the website's down. Beyond incredibly stupid to the point where it's hard to believe that actually happened. Those agents should themselves be charged for facilitating that murder.
I won't bother to go into the failing of allowing the identification of the British guy who placed the hit either by not allowing his ex-gf to read his messages. How dumb are these fucking cops?
The whole piece reads like a story of police, FBI, and law enforcement failings at every level. It's practically guaranteed that hits are taking place online and this is law enforcement's response? Making things worse or at the very best, fucking up investigations with their extreme stupidity.
Too many popups I quit
I'm more getting at the facy that this is a link to reading an article
Not a link to a who-can-get rid of the popup the best contest
We're the people that build these systems and this is about design and usability and when you open a can of cola you would be upset if it were worms because it said cola on the front
I wonder how many hours of peoples lives are lost to trying to control the computer to get it to do what it said it was doing on the tin, rather than what is in the interests of the politics or the profit
I correlate it to the same level as clickbait and I'm sure their are other humans out their that get the same taste in their mouth when using the internet, and then go on to do other things instead, which means that they are potentially missing out on learning something vaulable in the future, because of an impression your design made in the past.
People should think more about the psycology of design and what the goal of the message of the content their sending is and try not to give into logic like this:
I publish my papers online, they are academic and educational; I want more money. I add ads or political messages onto the website that was before purely educational because it will help me aquire money. You are no longer selling a delicious can of cola but a terrible can of worms
I publish my papers online, they are academic and educational; I want more money. I add ads or political messages onto the website that was before purely educational because it will help me aquire money. You are no longer selling a delicious can of cola but a terrible can of worms
Stock firefox, default tracking protection. I received a single nag about free articles that was easily dismissed. One first-party subscription ad at the bottom of the right column, another at the bottom of the article. No other ads of any kind.
I got two. For those that don't know, a good portion of these nagging modal windows play nice in the sense that pressing ESC closes them - good to be able to instantly dismiss them without having to hunt for the close button. The first one I saw could be closed with ESC, the second one required clicking "Close".
Their website is extremely usable with JavaScript disabled.
[quietly whispers] sssh... reader mode
I wonder if anybody at Harpers ever looks at the numbers to decide if the popups should stay? They should have a minimum success rate that, if signups drop below, they get rid of the popups.
What would you tie it to? Bounce rate?
I'm not sure what you mean. For every thousand times it's displayed, how many times does the person viewing the page just close it and not act on the offer? If it's less than some very low number (maybe 30%), don't show it.
Or maybe show it after the article has been scrolled all the way to the bottom. It's a long article and at that point you know the reader might be interested in seeing more from you.
Or maybe show it after the article has been scrolled all the way to the bottom. It's a long article and at that point you know the reader might be interested in seeing more from you.
You're assuming Harpers is optimizing for not nagging people. That is not the case at all. They are optimizing for collecting email addresses. If you do not want to enter an email address and bounce they lost nothing, you weren't going to provide an email anyway.
It is a dark pattern but it is not a mistake.
It is a dark pattern but it is not a mistake.
so this 'journalist' Brian Merchant has not been able to prove shit, but he felt comfortable enough to dox someone, full name, and accuse him of being a murderer based on 1. his ex's suspicions and 2. the fact that he refused to give an interview?
I suppose before you do this sort of thing you make very sure that your target is not rich enough to sue you for defamation.
I suppose before you do this sort of thing you make very sure that your target is not rich enough to sue you for defamation.
It’s safe to assume that Harper’s legal team have a lot more information than we do, and that this information was sufficient for them to OK this story.
Don’t forget how complicated the world is. If something looks too simple to be true, it probably is.
Don’t forget how complicated the world is. If something looks too simple to be true, it probably is.
I imagine the legal review goes like this: "he's not rich, he doesn't have a social media following, and if we spin this shit right everybody will think he's a creepy stalker-slash-murderer so nobody will stand up for him. What's he gonna do, actually put a contract out on us? Yeah, print that shit."
>After a few minutes, Monteiro succeeded in hacking into the site with stolen administrator codes and installing an automated script that scraped the entire site every three hours and dumped the data on his server.
Ugh, fuck off. I think the big question here, the one that should be at the top of the article, is "Has a hit ever been purchased and carried out via darkweb sites", and the answer is "obviously not, lol".
Ugh, fuck off. I think the big question here, the one that should be at the top of the article, is "Has a hit ever been purchased and carried out via darkweb sites", and the answer is "obviously not, lol".
Someone didn't read the article :-)
> While I was working on this story, journalists at BBC News Russia confirmed the first known case of a murder being ordered on the dark web and successfully carried out by hired assassins.
> While I was working on this story, journalists at BBC News Russia confirmed the first known case of a murder being ordered on the dark web and successfully carried out by hired assassins.
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Imagine you can pay in bitcoin where AI drone and carry out the hit...all anonymous