Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job managing an oil fund?(institutionalinvestor.com)
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Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job managing an oil fund?
https://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/b1mr3g654h58lp/Why-Did-a-Hedge-Fund-Manager-Worth-700-Million-Take-a-630-000-a-Year-Job-Managing-an-Oil-Fund
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Why wouldn't they comp this guy more? He clearly has a penchant for pulling money out of a hat.
On the flip side, why wouldn't he just volunteer, given his stated true intentions?
On the flip side, why wouldn't he just volunteer, given his stated true intentions?
Even if you don't need the money, from personal experience, volunteering is a bad road to go down. For better or worse, money is equivalent to respect, and without an income, you garner no respect.
What astonishes me is that anyone would want run this fund for a long period of time who isn't already very wealthy. When your boss of a two pizza team is earning more than the head of a 1tn fund, you know things are fucked up.
Compensation should be in the tens of millions, at the very least. Unless of course some egalitarian image is more important than the money that the entire country depends on.
What astonishes me is that anyone would want run this fund for a long period of time who isn't already very wealthy. When your boss of a two pizza team is earning more than the head of a 1tn fund, you know things are fucked up.
Compensation should be in the tens of millions, at the very least. Unless of course some egalitarian image is more important than the money that the entire country depends on.
I'm a Norwegian and I suspect they don't want to put the compensation higher because of public perception within Norway. If someone was pulling 10 mln USD from the public purse I can guarantee the left leaning press would have something to say about it.
I think it's fair anyway. This guy is already loaded, he doesn't need the extra millions. The prestige and power that comes with the position should be motivation enough.
I think it's fair anyway. This guy is already loaded, he doesn't need the extra millions. The prestige and power that comes with the position should be motivation enough.
When your boss of a two pizza team is paid more than $600k they are probably overpaid?
He seems very capable and is ready to work for that (still good) money. Do you think paying someone tens of millions would improve results for the fund? Why should it?
He seems very capable and is ready to work for that (still good) money. Do you think paying someone tens of millions would improve results for the fund? Why should it?
It's about supply and demand. If he really is the best person for the job, then there's nothing to be gained from paying him a higher fixed salary. But if there's someone else who's even marginally better that you can get for $10M, it's probably easily worth it - for the size of the fund, one person's pay is a negligible amount.
That's pure theory. How do you know who is marginally better?
That's the fundamental problem of hiring: you have to make educated guesses about who is going to make a better employee. And you should be willing to pay more to hire someone who you believe is better. For some companies, salaries are such a small part of their revenue that it makes sense to offer some candidates a lot more... and if your first choice happens to accept a lower salary, it doesn't really matter - you've saved a drop in the bucket.
What you're essentially saying is that there's no other person on earth that could generate better returns for the fund. The likelihood of that being true is vanishingly small.
No, I'm saying you can pay as much as you want, you cannot know which person will generate the best returns. What's your process for picking the person?
You could say the same thing about literally any job. Do you really think that paying more money doesn't find you better candidates? Do you think everyone should have the exact same salary and never get any raises?
Think about the logical conclusion of your assumptions. It doesn't make any sense.
Think about the logical conclusion of your assumptions. It doesn't make any sense.
You cannot take an argument I make at the extremes and apply it to the whole salary curve. It's way easier to predict performance at the lower, middle and even reasonably higher salary ranges. If you believe otherwise I'd like you to tell me about the process of determining the future success.
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> Compensation should be in the tens of millions, at the very least. Unless of course some egalitarian image is more important than the money that the entire country depends on.
Or unless that is your opinion being tacked onto a whole country which values things differently than you.
So far the fund has done fine without needing to inject an ultracapitalist in their ranks to pump up a US$ 1tn fund even faster. For the Norwegian people it's better to have stability and some semblance of morality while administering these funds than pure and sheer cash. Your values are just different than what the Norwegian sovereign fund is about...
Or unless that is your opinion being tacked onto a whole country which values things differently than you.
So far the fund has done fine without needing to inject an ultracapitalist in their ranks to pump up a US$ 1tn fund even faster. For the Norwegian people it's better to have stability and some semblance of morality while administering these funds than pure and sheer cash. Your values are just different than what the Norwegian sovereign fund is about...
I agree and also think it's stupid to think you'll get better leaders by paying huge salaries. Would you rather see Ken Lay manage this fund?
So you don't think talent is attracted by higher salaries? Should everyone's salary just be the same, forever?
Would you yourself not switch a job because they offered more money? What you're saying doesn't make any sense.
Would you yourself not switch a job because they offered more money? What you're saying doesn't make any sense.
No, but salary is an s-shaped curve. The higher you go, the less the additional benefit, if any. It totally does make sense, because you reach levels where differences in performance cannot be predicted at all. It's naive to believe otherwise.
For the same reason why people are against high level government officials anywhere getting pay raises. The public perceives it as a waste of money and believe that public servants should be solely motivated by the work and not the money. People forget that paying people who have significantly disproportionate power well makes them less likely to be tempted by outside influences.
The second is because that looks very weird and improper. It's a government job and the person who works gets compensated. Not taking a salary would make his tenure and situation even more abnormal. It also sets a bad precedent for potential future holders of the job.
The better option would be to accept the salary and donate it alongside the fortune he has vowed to give away.
The second is because that looks very weird and improper. It's a government job and the person who works gets compensated. Not taking a salary would make his tenure and situation even more abnormal. It also sets a bad precedent for potential future holders of the job.
The better option would be to accept the salary and donate it alongside the fortune he has vowed to give away.
> For the same reason why people are against high level government officials anywhere getting pay raises. The public perceives it as a waste of money and believe that public servants should be solely motivated by the work and not the money. People forget that paying people who have significantly disproportionate power well makes them less likely to be tempted by outside influences.
Interestingly, that's part of the reasoning why Singapore pays ministers millions per year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Singapore
Interestingly, that's part of the reasoning why Singapore pays ministers millions per year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Singapore
> People forget that paying people who have significantly disproportionate power well makes them less likely to be tempted by outside influences.
630k ought to be enough for anybody.
630k ought to be enough for anybody.
> The better option would be to accept the salary and donate it alongside the fortune he has vowed to give away.
And this exactly what Trump did, for example. He considered he was rich enough, so every trimester he donates his salary to a different ministry, once it was the General Surgeon, another time it was the DHS, or the Department of Agriculture. The list is here: https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/12/13/president-trump-salar...
And this exactly what Trump did, for example. He considered he was rich enough, so every trimester he donates his salary to a different ministry, once it was the General Surgeon, another time it was the DHS, or the Department of Agriculture. The list is here: https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/12/13/president-trump-salar...
Well, it is exactly what he has claimed to do, but given his history with truth, it's highly unlikely.
Source? You can accuse him of whatever else you want, but here, it’s hundreds of thousands of dollars of payments that have happened in reality and can be cross-checked by journalists. You are literally claiming a past event doesn’t exist « given his history with the truth ».
A man can do the best action possible and still be told it didn’t matter.
A man can do the best action possible and still be told it didn’t matter.
> can be cross-checked by journalists.
"To be clear, this list documents announcements — not receipts — of Trump’s donations."
"We contacted the Department of Treasury to find out if documentation for any such deposits is publicly available and have yet to hear back."
"To be clear, this list documents announcements — not receipts — of Trump’s donations."
"We contacted the Department of Treasury to find out if documentation for any such deposits is publicly available and have yet to hear back."
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Your second question answers your first. And a reasonable answer to your second question is: it's not that much money in the grand scheme of things, and there's a certain value in doing things exactly by the book and with no ad hoc special handling.
If the guy really wants to work for free, he can just donate his salary back to the government or some charity.
Eg in the US you can use https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/public/gifts-to-government.h...
In Germany https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staatsverschuldung_Deutschland... tells you how to contribute.
I imagine Norway has a similar mechanism, but I don't speak enough Norwegian to figure that out quickly.
If the guy really wants to work for free, he can just donate his salary back to the government or some charity.
Eg in the US you can use https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/public/gifts-to-government.h...
In Germany https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staatsverschuldung_Deutschland... tells you how to contribute.
I imagine Norway has a similar mechanism, but I don't speak enough Norwegian to figure that out quickly.
> why wouldn't he just volunteer
Maybe not as applicable in this case as it's a position where one expects someone to be used to handle lots of money. But expecting someone to do government leading work for peanuts can have the unintended side effect of only having upper class pursue it. Like unpaid internships where only the already well-off can afford to do it.
Maybe not as applicable in this case as it's a position where one expects someone to be used to handle lots of money. But expecting someone to do government leading work for peanuts can have the unintended side effect of only having upper class pursue it. Like unpaid internships where only the already well-off can afford to do it.
It doesn't sound like he has much room to pull money out of a hat in the position. The moves he can make are pretty limited.
I'm sure the power and prestige of the position also has something to do with it (especially on reading about the shady process of his selection). Very few people on the planet can claim to control trillions of dollars in funds and sway the economy of a first world country and many of the largest companies in the world on a whim.
It's like saying "why would a multi-billionaire want to earn $400K becoming president of the USA?" (talking about Bloomberg, of course)
It's like saying "why would a multi-billionaire want to earn $400K becoming president of the USA?" (talking about Bloomberg, of course)
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Yeah or a bit like saying why would a billionaire like Steve Jobs work for a has been company for $1 salary
Not really the same, considering the total annual compensation for all these $1 CEOs is wayyy more in reality.
Not for Jobs, when he started taking it he had no other significant compensation, not even stock options.
Well nothing other than his free lunch scam.
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-steve-jobs-scammed-apple...
Well nothing other than his free lunch scam.
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-steve-jobs-scammed-apple...
Yeah but annual compensation beyond 1 dollar for Steve Jobs most people considered Would never come. I was there at the time and apple was considered a has been company that most people thought was finished, including myself: https://www.google.dk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/michael-...
And I have visited the oil industry in Norway and know people who work in the wealth fund. This guy would have done the job for free, he only takes a salary as he has to. The power and money to be made from potential contacts by taking this job is in the billions of dollars, if he wishes that
That's exactly it, the 'wage' is a tip - and often kept low on purpose, can't pay income tax if you don't earn an income - the real money is in being able to make decisions that benefit your interests. It'll be in the form of under-the-table kickbacks to skirt around the SEC and such of course, but it's there.
I mean the US president is doing it, he's funneled hundreds of millions into his resorts / golf clubs alone, and that's just the blatantly obvious / in clear view tip of the iceberg.
I mean the US president is doing it, he's funneled hundreds of millions into his resorts / golf clubs alone, and that's just the blatantly obvious / in clear view tip of the iceberg.
> I mean the US president is doing it
Norway is a first-world country and has working oversight and anti-corruption procedures. Trust me, he will be policed more effectively than Donald.
Norway is a first-world country and has working oversight and anti-corruption procedures. Trust me, he will be policed more effectively than Donald.
> the real money is in being able to make decisions that benefit your interests
And that's why there's so much fuss around him getting the job, the opposition is very worried that he'll do just that.
https://www.nrk.no/ytring/fire-sporsmal-og-svar-om-tangen-sa...
And that's why there's so much fuss around him getting the job, the opposition is very worried that he'll do just that.
https://www.nrk.no/ytring/fire-sporsmal-og-svar-om-tangen-sa...
The money Trump and company have made from gaming the stock market is insane.
I find it fascinating that anyone could talk about a $630k position like it is not one of the highest-paying jobs on earth.
Salary wise sure, but with salaries beyond, say, $200K / year, you quickly end up in a realm where the real money isn't in the salary anymore, but stocks / stock options. This is where the "Bezos earns $999999 a second" headlines come from - that's not his salary, that's some munging of figures from Amazon's revenue or market value. He benefits from that for holding a big stake in the company. Pretty sure he's tied to rules that mean he can't easily sell his stake in it either.
Bezos sells of few billions of AMZN every year.
$630k/yr is definitely not among the highest paying jobs in the world.
$630k/yr would put you in the top 1% for income in the USA, one of the richest countries in the world.
Well you are certainly in some kind of <1% percentage globally. Wouldn't you agree?
Sure, but 1% globally is still like 80 million people. When you are managing a trillion+ dollar fund which controls a nation's economy, you likely want to stand out a bit more from a mid-career Google engineer or B-list celebrity.
I love when people suddenly realize people make decisions that are economically irrational and cant figure it out. Its like dividing by 0 for 90% of the population.
Was it just me that became nauseous at the description of the lavish party where all these powerful people get to live like aristocrats? Disgusting.
"Worth $700M"
Why did this person not put more money first? It isn't obvious that you can't spend $700M? Neither can your children and grandchildren.
Long before $700M money ceases to be valuable to you. At all.
Why did this person not put more money first? It isn't obvious that you can't spend $700M? Neither can your children and grandchildren.
Long before $700M money ceases to be valuable to you. At all.
> It isn't obvious that you can't spend $700M?
That's far from clear. For example, from the article, turns out Sting costs $1m for a private performance. You could get a private concert on Saturday nights, and in 15 years, your money is all gone...
That's far from clear. For example, from the article, turns out Sting costs $1m for a private performance. You could get a private concert on Saturday nights, and in 15 years, your money is all gone...
you can probably get a discount as a loyal customer
I double dare you to listen to a sting album every night for just a month while considering 15 years of it.
You really can't spend that kind of money. So what do you want to do with it? What do you want to do with your time? Time which is a resource of yours that is actually scarce when you have stupid money so it is not scarce at all.
You really can't spend that kind of money. So what do you want to do with it? What do you want to do with your time? Time which is a resource of yours that is actually scarce when you have stupid money so it is not scarce at all.
Plenty of other artists will come and give you a concert and want a huge chunk of change for it
> can’t spend that kind of money
Right but this really really isn’t true
> can’t spend that kind of money
Right but this really really isn’t true
I think it’s less about being able to spend the money (of course you can) than needing to spend it.
Do you really need a 100-million yacht and a 20-bedroom villa? No.
Do you really need a 100-million yacht and a 20-bedroom villa? No.
Both of those probably retain some value. Property may appreciate.
I really don't think you guys have thought this through. All your suggestions on how to spend underline that it's basically impossible, even when that's your object rather than enjoying it. So now who are you giving money to? It's the only thing you can do with it. Children, good works, politics, immortality via a wing of an art gallery is popular. A building at your University... Gates is trying to rid the world of disease.
When i say you can't in not making euphamisms. You just can't. Lay out a serious plan that you would want to try and spend it and you see it's not practical or even close.
Replace Sting with every artist you like and think on the logistics of it. It doesn't work. Rival Leno's Garage. Only stay in 5 star hotels. Private Jet. 5 mansions on different continents go nuts. Your idea of no expense spared, lap of luxury. Price it up for 70 years worth.
I really don't think you guys have thought this through. All your suggestions on how to spend underline that it's basically impossible, even when that's your object rather than enjoying it. So now who are you giving money to? It's the only thing you can do with it. Children, good works, politics, immortality via a wing of an art gallery is popular. A building at your University... Gates is trying to rid the world of disease.
When i say you can't in not making euphamisms. You just can't. Lay out a serious plan that you would want to try and spend it and you see it's not practical or even close.
Replace Sting with every artist you like and think on the logistics of it. It doesn't work. Rival Leno's Garage. Only stay in 5 star hotels. Private Jet. 5 mansions on different continents go nuts. Your idea of no expense spared, lap of luxury. Price it up for 70 years worth.
It’s hard to consume $700m, certainly - but you can easily spend that much money doing what capitalists do: creating, acquiring and merging businesses. Think money as a tool, rather than just as something to be converted into goods and services.
That is not "spending"
> [Managing Norway’s sovereign wealth fund is my] dream job ... a higher purpose than just working in a normal bank. You should be proud of working for your country