Elon Musk Sells Tucker Carlson His Conservative Vision of Progress(politico.com)

9 pointsby Michelangelo113 anni fa9 comments

Elon Musk Sells Tucker Carlson His Conservative Vision of Progress

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/19/elon-musk-tucker-carlson-00092904

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In my opinion, there are a couple of solid takeaways from this description of Musk’s view on society, AI, etc.

1. Progressive used to mean something different than it does now. Progressives (Teddy Roosevelt) used to believe in the power of economic progress as a benefit to society. If business got in the way, then the government needed to step in. Now progressivism is about advancing specific social agendas, and pushing for government social interventions. Musk is a progressive in the former sense.

2. Twitter is perhaps on the way out, but Musk’s view on maximizing free speech is relevant and consistent with his version of progressivism. He explains that the more people can speak their minds, the more likely it is that the best ideas will emerge. He also suggests that it is also likely that this human interaction will be to the benefit of the AI corpus.

I’m not a Musk fan, but I find it difficult to disagree with these points.

clouddrover3 anni fa

> Musk’s view on maximizing free speech

Musk does not believe in maximizing free speech. He believes in suppressing speech he doesn't like:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/04/elon-musk-...

https://www.techdirt.com/2023/04/10/after-matt-taibbi-leaves...

Despite his claims of "free speech absolutism", Musk is an authoritarian at heart. He simply can't help himself.

zeroclick3 anni fa

As long as you recognize the hypocrisy between what he does vs. what he says.

https://www.businessinsider.com/free-speech-absolutist-elon-...

jschveibinz3 anni fa

Absolutely. I’m not a fan, just commenting on the words.

papito3 anni fa

So this unmoderated flow of ideas... is that 4chan? You can "speak your mind" over there, but I have not heard of any useful ideas coming out of that.

Someone explain to me what the problem is. Is Joe from Baraboo, Wisconsin, not getting air time on primetime MSNBC? Is he being muzzled? What is the issue?

shrimp_emoji3 anni fa

He's a fan of The Culture.

I don't know how aligned he feels his actions or plans are to its ideals, but I find that based as heck since it's the only vision of the future that compels me.

jleyank3 anni fa

Two quick thoughts about this comment: Gresham’s law. This might work in a civil discussion of important ideals. Unfortunately, neither of these apply to social media.

xodjmk3 anni fa

The article completely misunderstand the argument, and leaves out the actual important pieces. The argument is that allowing/incentivising some hypothetical AGI to pursue a certain ideology, like trying to inject someone's idea of 'social justice' into the world would pose the risk of allowing this AGI to lie and manipulate humans as subjects and we would lose control. If the incentive is to 'maximally seek truth', then this might be more likely to align with a future that values human life, in the same way that we value animals and appreciate the raw nature, without trying to intervene and change their instinctual behavior. Like trying to biologically modify lions to be vegan, vs. respecting the brutal reality of predator vs. prey. Whether this hypothetical idea is correct or not is debatable, but the article clearly misses the point.

martin1b3 anni fa

I prefer the actual interview. Very intriguing and entertaining to watch. Not really interested in Politico's left spin on it.

stevespang3 anni fa