Elon Musk is reportedly taking control of the inner workings of US govt agencies(techcrunch.com)
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Elon Musk is reportedly taking control of the inner workings of US govt agencies
https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/31/elon-musk-is-reportedly-taking-control-of-the-inner-workings-of-us-government-agencies/
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Elon Musk was not elected, and his appointment was not confirmed by the senate. And yet he is taking control of the government.
Since Musk took over Twitter it is worth nearly 80% less than when he bought it, according to Fidelity [1]. Is this what he is going to do to the US government?
[1] https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/02/business/elon-musk-twitter-x-...
Since Musk took over Twitter it is worth nearly 80% less than when he bought it, according to Fidelity [1]. Is this what he is going to do to the US government?
[1] https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/02/business/elon-musk-twitter-x-...
Not news that globalists are dismantling the few roadblocks left so they can turn it into an empire. People have been calling this day for decades, while state-run media, a tyrant's best friend, labelled it fringe.
You won't have any enforceable rights, and will be no better than a slave by the time they are done. Shock doctrine is all about creating the disasters surreptitiously, then claiming to have a solution, which isn't a solution but just another mile down the road towards the inevitable goal.
"I'm American... yes, but what kind of American are you?"
You won't have any enforceable rights, and will be no better than a slave by the time they are done. Shock doctrine is all about creating the disasters surreptitiously, then claiming to have a solution, which isn't a solution but just another mile down the road towards the inevitable goal.
"I'm American... yes, but what kind of American are you?"
You think Elon is still a closet globalist after the last six months, and he's part of a cabal of globalists that are dismantling roadblocks in the government by hitching their ride to an ultranationalistic and protectionist president?
> "I'm American... yes, but what kind of American are you?"
A surprisingly good movie, but not because of its political commentary which it shied away from almost entirely.
> "I'm American... yes, but what kind of American are you?"
A surprisingly good movie, but not because of its political commentary which it shied away from almost entirely.
Of course, the cabal of globalists are all backed by the same people. Those people are the fiat inflationary money printer central bankers, following a policy interventionism which taken to its conclusion results in destruction.
You gauge a group of people by their actions, and not what they say because deceitful parasites lie more than they breathe.
A Protectionist/ultranationalistic president won't be in office for long. They'll 25th amendment him given his age/competency. That leaves Vance as president, and his policies are unclear, but any policy is going to require money, and that money has only one place to come from, central bankers.
You gauge a group of people by their actions, and not what they say because deceitful parasites lie more than they breathe.
A Protectionist/ultranationalistic president won't be in office for long. They'll 25th amendment him given his age/competency. That leaves Vance as president, and his policies are unclear, but any policy is going to require money, and that money has only one place to come from, central bankers.
With a combination of Musk's proposed spending cuts and Trump's tariffs they may be able to achieve something like that for the US.
80% of the value of Twitter was consumed by the time the election was won. He got what he wanted for the money, it wasn't a loss to him anymore than paying for a hooker is a loss if that's what you wanted. I do not think he would have gotten it without getting Twitter+Rogan.
No one voted for him. Hes not american. What can be done? Amazing these absolutely insane things are happening.
He's an American because he got naturalized citizenship. According to the State Department and the Supreme Court, at a minimum, he qualifies as an American.
Not if he immigrated here illegally (which he did, according to his brother). There’s no valid path to naturalization via an invalid/fraudulent lawful permanent resident status.
He is currently a naturalized American citizen. For him to lose that status, he would have to be stripped of it by a legal process, commonly called denaturalization. [0] It is not enough for people to accuse you of having committed fraud in naturalization.
> There’s no valid path to naturalization
I think it is correct to say that your naturalized status can be unwound if a prosecution against you is successful, but until that happens, you are considered an American citizen. Presumption of innocence and all that American stuff.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denaturalization
> There’s no valid path to naturalization
I think it is correct to say that your naturalized status can be unwound if a prosecution against you is successful, but until that happens, you are considered an American citizen. Presumption of innocence and all that American stuff.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denaturalization
he's not American enough to run for president.
Right, and that's why he installed Trump as the proxy president.
moprobz(1)
The B-21 Raider will cost $700 million apiece. The US Air Force will buy about 100. During WWII the best bomber of the war (so somewhat the equivalent of the B-21 for the time) was the B-29, and the US built 4000 of those. And many, many more of other types of bombers. How did we get from there to here?
Musk's company meanwhile is churning out rockets like there's no tomorrow. They are at number 35 of the super huge one, the Starship, although rumors are that they are currently in various stages of build with 4 more.
Musk's company meanwhile is churning out rockets like there's no tomorrow. They are at number 35 of the super huge one, the Starship, although rumors are that they are currently in various stages of build with 4 more.
Your point is weak, 35 is less then 4000. Even still if it's equivalent we can only speculate what his role in rockets actually is all we have is pr.
What I do know from personal first hand experience (ex-Twitter) is that he is a terrible leader and person. Also he isn't smart. No media influence on how I feel about how he runs companies.
What I do know from personal first hand experience (ex-Twitter) is that he is a terrible leader and person. Also he isn't smart. No media influence on how I feel about how he runs companies.
> Your point is weak, 35 is less then 4000
Ok, I admit, I could have spent more time crafting the argument. The point is, SpaceX has already built 35 of the Starship, and flown quite a few of them, all while in prototype mode. When they reach full production mode, they intend to build one Starship per day. You may retort that Musk's promises don't amount for much, but it is a fact that SpaceX launches more rockets than any other company in the world, private or government-owned. Just this year they've launched 13 times, which is almost one launch every other day.
Ok, I admit, I could have spent more time crafting the argument. The point is, SpaceX has already built 35 of the Starship, and flown quite a few of them, all while in prototype mode. When they reach full production mode, they intend to build one Starship per day. You may retort that Musk's promises don't amount for much, but it is a fact that SpaceX launches more rockets than any other company in the world, private or government-owned. Just this year they've launched 13 times, which is almost one launch every other day.
How is this legal?
Those who have money decide what is legal. That's the only possible outcome of Citizens United. The President, congress, and even Supreme Court justices can all be influenced with money.
As they say, "quantity has it's own quality". Thus, once you're in the
"three comma club", your money not only insulates you from the legal consequences of what would be considered "wrongdoing", it also spawns a gravity-distortion field that can bend the entire system to your will. The laws effectively won't apply to you, and what normally counts as "check and balances" become moot.
It's not. But the "checks and balances" have decided they aren't interested in being checks and balances. Doing their job as the Constitution intended would get them primaried by someone backed by Elon's money, and there's nothing worse than losing their nice cushy prestigious job in the Senate.
Apparently executive orders are enough? Or not, you can say anything in an executive order and if people fall in line it works.
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It's not. If the Democrats ever retake power literally everything a government agency does while under Elon's control could be overturned with a single judicial order.
OTOH it could be ratified by Congress because fundamentally President is just delegating day to day executive management. Impossible to tell with current makeup of government what will happen.
OTOH it could be ratified by Congress because fundamentally President is just delegating day to day executive management. Impossible to tell with current makeup of government what will happen.
I'm guessing it falls into some category of government agencies hiring contractors which probably happens all the time. If this is a problem then it follows that all the other instances of government hiring people who nobody voted for would also be a problem... which is why we should all want less of it, and that's supposedly what Doge is attempting to do.
What is legality when the rule of law no longer applies and becomes only a rule by law.
An imperfect system was corrupted, and no one did a thing to stop it (in aggregate). Mind you this didn't start with trump. It's been a long-running plan by Fabian's dating back to the 1900s.
Everyone just thought it was some fringe conspiracy theory because that's how the media portrayed it. Even the Kennedy Assassination was insufficient to wake people up to the corruption.
Now that its actually happening, and most of the smart people have been removed, discredited, or destroyed. What hope do the masses actually have?
An imperfect system was corrupted, and no one did a thing to stop it (in aggregate). Mind you this didn't start with trump. It's been a long-running plan by Fabian's dating back to the 1900s.
Everyone just thought it was some fringe conspiracy theory because that's how the media portrayed it. Even the Kennedy Assassination was insufficient to wake people up to the corruption.
Now that its actually happening, and most of the smart people have been removed, discredited, or destroyed. What hope do the masses actually have?
Who is Fabian?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintus_Fabius_Maximus_Verruco...
I suspect that's a reference to the dark cabal of socialists .. /s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society
I suspect that's a reference to the dark cabal of socialists .. /s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society
Yes, they go by many names but that is their historic name, The Fabian Society. Today you might call them globalists.
Sarcasm isn't really appropriate or warranted.
If you've read and researched their work, both back then and today, you know they support and promote a collapse to non-market socialism, albeit the form of that collapse is indirect and only recognized once you resolve the contradictions in their ambiguous material.
As system's go that form of socialism inevitably fails in unpredictable and chaotic ways, starting with shortage, slavery, famine, then death.
So in many respects, it should be called a dark cabal since at the rational conclusion of their efforts it will be a death cult. The people involved certainly don't seem to believe that is a possible outcome, but neither do delusional terrorists when they blow themselves up believing they'll awaken in paradise.
Blindness to the consequences of your actions and reality is a characteristic of truly evil people.
This covers a broad overview. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3263007/
The mechanism for the fall, money printing, currency debasement, or specifically currency debauchery, as Keynes quoting Lenin said in April 1919.
Sarcasm isn't really appropriate or warranted.
If you've read and researched their work, both back then and today, you know they support and promote a collapse to non-market socialism, albeit the form of that collapse is indirect and only recognized once you resolve the contradictions in their ambiguous material.
As system's go that form of socialism inevitably fails in unpredictable and chaotic ways, starting with shortage, slavery, famine, then death.
So in many respects, it should be called a dark cabal since at the rational conclusion of their efforts it will be a death cult. The people involved certainly don't seem to believe that is a possible outcome, but neither do delusional terrorists when they blow themselves up believing they'll awaken in paradise.
Blindness to the consequences of your actions and reality is a characteristic of truly evil people.
This covers a broad overview. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3263007/
The mechanism for the fall, money printing, currency debasement, or specifically currency debauchery, as Keynes quoting Lenin said in April 1919.
> This covers a broad overview.
That's hilarious .. an editorial in Surgical Neurology in which a biologist shows us on his von Mises doll where the bad socialist touched him.
Do you do standup?
That's hilarious .. an editorial in Surgical Neurology in which a biologist shows us on his von Mises doll where the bad socialist touched him.
Do you do standup?
The article covers the relevant material, and is independently verifiable by people with a mind.
The references support what is said, unlike other noise that clearly violates community guidelines in a number of different ways.
The references support what is said, unlike other noise that clearly violates community guidelines in a number of different ways.
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Trump and his brethren are out for blood after the 34 felonies and the assassination attempt. Hope the attempt at 'rule of law' (and sentence of basically nothing) for rarely prosecuted paperwork crimes was worth it because it's looking like the most costly prosecution in US history in terms of after effects.
I don't know.
I feel like the real problem there is that Trump committed 34 felonies.
Or that he got off.
Or that committing 34 felonies doesn't disqualify someone from being president.
Or even that Trump and his brethren are even "out for blood."
Not that anyone had the audacity to apply the law to a sitting president to begin with. Although it's weirdly controversial to claim that the president shouldn't be above the law.
I feel like the real problem there is that Trump committed 34 felonies.
Or that he got off.
Or that committing 34 felonies doesn't disqualify someone from being president.
Or even that Trump and his brethren are even "out for blood."
Not that anyone had the audacity to apply the law to a sitting president to begin with. Although it's weirdly controversial to claim that the president shouldn't be above the law.
Related:
Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42892278
Elon Musk's Doge Wants Access to the Treasury's Payment Systems
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42894166
Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42892278
Elon Musk's Doge Wants Access to the Treasury's Payment Systems
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42894166
joker666(1)
Wonder why you get oligarchy as a result.
If anything it's a miracle it's only becoming explicit now. The whole system was held by spit and glue.
In many countries parties are funded from taxes (proportionally to the results of the last elections). People/corporations paying politicians is illegal. Politicians don't have to compete for billioners' money - they just compete for votes.
It's pretty obvious it's a better system. It wastes less money too (there's a cap to the marketing arms race).