People Are Being Arrested in the UK for Protesting Against the Monarchy(vice.com)
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People Are Being Arrested in the UK for Protesting Against the Monarchy
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkg35b/queen-protesters-arrested
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Well obviously they have to pretend it's for something else. If they faced it head on with the actual law protecting the monarchy, you could argue directly against it.
The monarchs in the UK are just tax supported public figures now right? Like state funded Kardashians? I understand that they get special consideration, but given their position, it makes me laugh to consider a world where it's illegal to insult anything publicly which is sufficiently popular since it could disturb the peace. Like, could we arrest people who live in a town and openly support the rival football team? Fun to think about a world like that actually!
It depends.
Very briefly... The government funds their official duties out of general revenue via the Sovereign Grant. The various duchies and other revenue producing properties/investments of the crown fund much of the rest (most of these held in trust for the crown, not the live monarch). And the family itself has vast personal wealth.
Very briefly... The government funds their official duties out of general revenue via the Sovereign Grant. The various duchies and other revenue producing properties/investments of the crown fund much of the rest (most of these held in trust for the crown, not the live monarch). And the family itself has vast personal wealth.
From what I understand, if the royal family was abolished, taxes would go up, not down according to this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFw
This video seems very monarch-apologist. I'm guessing GCP Grey is from the UK, then?
Key quote: "Because it's still their land." (1:49 onward) Uh-huh. The real question is, should it be. The video also claims that the only reason historical locations are tourist attractions is because some royal graces them their their presence every now and than, which is just a weird take. I like GCP Grey, but this is one his weakest videos.
Key quote: "Because it's still their land." (1:49 onward) Uh-huh. The real question is, should it be. The video also claims that the only reason historical locations are tourist attractions is because some royal graces them their their presence every now and than, which is just a weird take. I like GCP Grey, but this is one his weakest videos.
Ultras are a menace. They fight each other, throw flares or smoke grenades, and leave stickers everywhere.
These articles annoy me.
They pluralise it to try and make it sound like a large and worrying problem (I think there have been 3 cases). They also imply that somehow protest against the Monarchy is being stamped out when the most obvious and natural explanation is that the Police are using their powers to decide that someone disrupting a public event off the back of millions of people mourning the loss of a much loved Queen is the right thing to do.
Regardless of plenty of criticism, the Police in these scenarios have to decide on the spot, regardless of subtle legal arguments, whether what is happening is likely to cause a breach of the peace or to cause massive offence. There is nothing here that I can see that looks like a "worrying trend" etc.
They pluralise it to try and make it sound like a large and worrying problem (I think there have been 3 cases). They also imply that somehow protest against the Monarchy is being stamped out when the most obvious and natural explanation is that the Police are using their powers to decide that someone disrupting a public event off the back of millions of people mourning the loss of a much loved Queen is the right thing to do.
Regardless of plenty of criticism, the Police in these scenarios have to decide on the spot, regardless of subtle legal arguments, whether what is happening is likely to cause a breach of the peace or to cause massive offence. There is nothing here that I can see that looks like a "worrying trend" etc.
> A 22-year-old woman was arrested on Sunday outside St Giles cathedral in Edinburgh, where the Queen’s coffin was due to lie until Monday, for holding up a sign that said “fuck imperialism, abolish monarchy.”
> [...]Police said the woman had been arrested “in connection with a breach of the peace.” On Monday it was revealed she would face criminal charges, to appear in court at a later date.
How is quietly holding up a small sign "disrupting a public event"? And deserving of being arrested and charged? They have a right to protest[1], more so when it's a quiet, unobstructive protest.
1: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/12/what-is-the-la...
> [...]Police said the woman had been arrested “in connection with a breach of the peace.” On Monday it was revealed she would face criminal charges, to appear in court at a later date.
How is quietly holding up a small sign "disrupting a public event"? And deserving of being arrested and charged? They have a right to protest[1], more so when it's a quiet, unobstructive protest.
1: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/12/what-is-the-la...
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Massive offense? The police are worried they might look weak so they err on the side of punishing the innocent here.
If there was substantial potential for inciting a conflict between large groups of people, sure, this might be breach of peace, but this was a handful of people holding up signs peacefully, in a rather quiet manner.
I will never not be amazed how often the powerful will receive support for free from their subjects.
If there was substantial potential for inciting a conflict between large groups of people, sure, this might be breach of peace, but this was a handful of people holding up signs peacefully, in a rather quiet manner.
I will never not be amazed how often the powerful will receive support for free from their subjects.
This was discussed heavily yesterday in another post I can’t find; perhaps it was killed due to the politics.
Try the currently #1 post on the active page:
https://news.ycombinator.com/active
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32817103
https://news.ycombinator.com/active
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32817103
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I'm more baffled that the American media cares about this so much. Maybe because the protesters haven't been shot?
Maybe protesting the funeral of a widely respected person isn’t the best way to make one’s point.
Please don't spread misinformation. There was no funeral yet. Holding a sheet of paper is hardly a disruptive protest.
And Elisabeth Windsor wasn't as respected as you'd like to think. They might have huge fanbase among Daily Mail readers but the royals are not very popular among well informed people.
I'm not going to bring up Andre's tendencies because this seems forbidden on HN, so have a read of this instead:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/sep/24/queen-poverty-gra...
And Elisabeth Windsor wasn't as respected as you'd like to think. They might have huge fanbase among Daily Mail readers but the royals are not very popular among well informed people.
I'm not going to bring up Andre's tendencies because this seems forbidden on HN, so have a read of this instead:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/sep/24/queen-poverty-gra...
>but the royals are not very popular among well informed people
Maybe the "well informed people" should vote for parties and elect MPs that are republican? All the parties in Westminster are royalists
Maybe the "well informed people" should vote for parties and elect MPs that are republican? All the parties in Westminster are royalists
> And Elisabeth Windsor wasn't as respected as you'd like to think.
Got numbers for that?
Got numbers for that?
Population of Yemen, Ireland, Botswana and probably others I'm not aware of yet.
Let's be honest here: while later in life she did nothing politically too active (i think she took a EU colored dress during Brexit?), Until at least the 90s, between supporting colonialism and the mafia-like comportment of the Royal family (let's not forget her cousins[0]), her reputation wasn't the highest in the world.
And anyway, between republicans and anti-imperialists, it should be difficult to find support. Most of the left (when you exclude tankies at least) is anti-imperialist, and most of the right is republican nowadays, no? At least in France and the US. I admit I missed this news cycle tbh, so I'm not sure.
[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerissa_and_Katherine_Bowes-Ly...
Let's be honest here: while later in life she did nothing politically too active (i think she took a EU colored dress during Brexit?), Until at least the 90s, between supporting colonialism and the mafia-like comportment of the Royal family (let's not forget her cousins[0]), her reputation wasn't the highest in the world.
And anyway, between republicans and anti-imperialists, it should be difficult to find support. Most of the left (when you exclude tankies at least) is anti-imperialist, and most of the right is republican nowadays, no? At least in France and the US. I admit I missed this news cycle tbh, so I'm not sure.
[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerissa_and_Katherine_Bowes-Ly...
Meanwhile in Oxford, a man was arrested after shouting “who elected him?” as he walked past an event where King Charles III was being proclaimed as the new king on Sunday.
Not protesting at a funeral, but at the proclamation of a monarch.
Not protesting at a funeral, but at the proclamation of a monarch.
At meaning at the time and location of, or at meaning towards/against?
The proclamation was on Saturday, so he wasn't at it in terms of time and location.
Protesting against the proclamation is fine, of course. I'd question the judgement of someone doing so at the time and location of an ongoing funeral of that person's mother.
The proclamation was on Saturday, so he wasn't at it in terms of time and location.
Protesting against the proclamation is fine, of course. I'd question the judgement of someone doing so at the time and location of an ongoing funeral of that person's mother.
There are numerous proclamations:
It will take place at 1pm on Sunday September 11 as one of a series of similar events in towns and cities throughout the nation.
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/21252506.charles-iii-forma...
It will take place at 1pm on Sunday September 11 as one of a series of similar events in towns and cities throughout the nation.
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/21252506.charles-iii-forma...
Not someone who was specifically going to the event to protest though, so he could have read the room and stayed quiet. If protest is to make a point, it doesn't seem like the right thing to do amongst people who presumably support the Monarchy.
> If protest is to make a point, it doesn't seem like the right thing to do amongst people who presumably support [the topic being protested].
You've just described protesting.
You've just described protesting.
Long Live the King! :p ;) xx ;p
Technically, calling for abolition of the monarchy is illegal in the UK. But, that particular law hasn't been used since the late 1800s. Most of the current arrests are "breach of peace" or similar offenses. If the "offenses" are as-described (saying "who elected him"; holding a sign peacefully), the arrests are, IMO, unjust. The only one I've read about that might be close to just is the man who yelled "you're a dirty old man" at Prince Andrew during a funerary procession. And even that's pretty borderline, IMO.