Inside Information and Kodak Stock(chartfleau.com)
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Legally insider trading is something pretty specific involving having access to inside information that not everyone has access to. Courts have acted differently in different situations depending on duty to the corporation for those affiliated. However for anyone without a duty to keep the information public, you can trade on whatever information you want. Requires the information be nonpublic and that the trader have a duty (usually, an insider giving inside stock tips to a friend who makes the trades is still acting illegally).
Morally, it depends on your ethical framework. I don’t think insider trading that doesn’t fit the definition of illegal insider trading is immoral, not because it’s legal but because the legal definition is pretty robust as to align with moral culpability.
Morally, it depends on your ethical framework. I don’t think insider trading that doesn’t fit the definition of illegal insider trading is immoral, not because it’s legal but because the legal definition is pretty robust as to align with moral culpability.
> However for anyone without a duty to keep the information public, you can trade on whatever information you want
This is 100% dead wrong. Research the phrase "remote tippee".
This is 100% dead wrong. Research the phrase "remote tippee".
As most of the replies have told you, this is almost certainly not insider trading.
What it is, though, is a Reg FD violation [0]. Kodak will likely get investigated and fined by the SEC.
You can look at Reg FD as the flip side of insider trading laws. Inside information is not meant to be leaked from the company to traders. If it is leaked and it's the trader's fault (he stole it or paid someone to steal it), that's insider trading. If it's leaked and it's the company's fault, it's Reg FD.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_Fair_Disclosure
What it is, though, is a Reg FD violation [0]. Kodak will likely get investigated and fined by the SEC.
You can look at Reg FD as the flip side of insider trading laws. Inside information is not meant to be leaked from the company to traders. If it is leaked and it's the trader's fault (he stole it or paid someone to steal it), that's insider trading. If it's leaked and it's the company's fault, it's Reg FD.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_Fair_Disclosure
If Kodak CEO had called me before and said "pssst, buy shares they're going to shoot up tomorrow" would I be completely fine legally to follow his tip?
Or can both sides get prosecuted, with one being an accessory to the other's crime?
Or can both sides get prosecuted, with one being an accessory to the other's crime?
IANAL but:
If you didn't know him and he didn't know you (let's say he got drunk and let it slip when you were driving him in your cab), that's OK for you, not for him.
If you were his wife or his partner in another business or his golf buddy or his therapist, that's generally not OK for you. It also would be illegal for him (I think) since he explicitly told you to trade on the information, but if he just said "things are really busy at work, we're getting a big government grant tomorrow" and there was some expectation you could keep a secret, he might be safe.
If you didn't know him and he didn't know you (let's say he got drunk and let it slip when you were driving him in your cab), that's OK for you, not for him.
If you were his wife or his partner in another business or his golf buddy or his therapist, that's generally not OK for you. It also would be illegal for him (I think) since he explicitly told you to trade on the information, but if he just said "things are really busy at work, we're getting a big government grant tomorrow" and there was some expectation you could keep a secret, he might be safe.
The only true thing in this comment is "you are not a lawyer".
Acting on information that is not public knowledge for your benefit is insider trading, regardless of where/how you received the information, and would be a violation.
Acting faster than everyone else on public information is not; this is essentially what day traders are trying to do.
>> we're getting a big government grant tomorrow" and there was some expectation you could keep a secret,
If you buy stock on a public market based on this information, you're not really keeping a secret, are you?
Acting on information that is not public knowledge for your benefit is insider trading, regardless of where/how you received the information, and would be a violation.
Acting faster than everyone else on public information is not; this is essentially what day traders are trying to do.
>> we're getting a big government grant tomorrow" and there was some expectation you could keep a secret,
If you buy stock on a public market based on this information, you're not really keeping a secret, are you?
> Acting on information that is not public knowledge for your benefit is insider trading, regardless of where/how you received the information
This just isn't correct. In the US, you need to have a "relationship of trust or confidence" with the company in order to be insider trading. Don't take my word for it, here's the SEC [0]:
> Illegal insider trading refers generally to buying or selling a security, in breach of a fiduciary duty or other relationship of trust and confidence, on the basis of material, nonpublic information about the security.
And here's the case law [1]:
> a tippee cannot be held liable unless the Government proves that the tippee knew both (i) that the initial tipper breached a fiduciary duty in disclosing material nonpublic information in exchange for a personal benefit and (ii) that the tipper had received a personal benefit for divulging the information.
> If you buy stock on a public market based on this information, you're not really keeping a secret, are you?
No, and you're insider trading. But if you could reasonably have been expected to keep the secret, the leaker is off the hook. I'll let you look up the precedent for that yourself. Like I said, I'm not a lawyer, and not pretending to be one, but I do know a thing or two about this area. If you are a lawyer, consider asking your law school for a refund.
[0] https://www.investor.gov/introduction-investing/investing-ba...
[1] https://www.proskauer.com/alert/second-circuit-clarifies-ele...
This just isn't correct. In the US, you need to have a "relationship of trust or confidence" with the company in order to be insider trading. Don't take my word for it, here's the SEC [0]:
> Illegal insider trading refers generally to buying or selling a security, in breach of a fiduciary duty or other relationship of trust and confidence, on the basis of material, nonpublic information about the security.
And here's the case law [1]:
> a tippee cannot be held liable unless the Government proves that the tippee knew both (i) that the initial tipper breached a fiduciary duty in disclosing material nonpublic information in exchange for a personal benefit and (ii) that the tipper had received a personal benefit for divulging the information.
> If you buy stock on a public market based on this information, you're not really keeping a secret, are you?
No, and you're insider trading. But if you could reasonably have been expected to keep the secret, the leaker is off the hook. I'll let you look up the precedent for that yourself. Like I said, I'm not a lawyer, and not pretending to be one, but I do know a thing or two about this area. If you are a lawyer, consider asking your law school for a refund.
[0] https://www.investor.gov/introduction-investing/investing-ba...
[1] https://www.proskauer.com/alert/second-circuit-clarifies-ele...
Take it further. If you witness a car from Tesla or any other publicly traded corp spontaneously combust on the side of the road and you know it will result in massive recalls before the general public and then short the stock, is that insider trading too?
Edit: Or use satellite images to see when companies are receiving big shipments, sending out deliveries, or track customers to predict stock prices and revenues https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/05/stock-v...
Edit: Or use satellite images to see when companies are receiving big shipments, sending out deliveries, or track customers to predict stock prices and revenues https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/05/stock-v...
Something similar went to court! You can probably google the details and find the actual case.
Guy works at a rail yard, he notices that they are spending a bunch of time doing an inventory of equipment and then a bunch of guys in suits keep visiting. He assumes someone is buying the company, so loads up on stock and so does his family.
Company gets acquired and the SEC charges him with insider trading. I believe he was convicted (nope, went to jury trial), but appealed and won.
His argument was he had no more access to this information than the general public would (say from watching the yard outside the gate).
Edit: found it!
https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/two-thoughts-about-the-jur...
Acquitted after a jury trial.
Guy works at a rail yard, he notices that they are spending a bunch of time doing an inventory of equipment and then a bunch of guys in suits keep visiting. He assumes someone is buying the company, so loads up on stock and so does his family.
Company gets acquired and the SEC charges him with insider trading. I believe he was convicted (nope, went to jury trial), but appealed and won.
His argument was he had no more access to this information than the general public would (say from watching the yard outside the gate).
Edit: found it!
https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/two-thoughts-about-the-jur...
Acquitted after a jury trial.
> ... then a bunch of guys in suits keep visiting.
I bet it’d be easy to train an image tracking model to find this off satellite imagery.
I bet it’d be easy to train an image tracking model to find this off satellite imagery.
Welcome to the wonderful world of ‘alternative data’
You can similarly track certain flights to certain places.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/30/a-corporate-jet-revealed-buf...
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/30/a-corporate-jet-revealed-buf...
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There was a bunch of analysis over on /r/wallstreetbets a while back based on satellite imagery of roads in China, using them to estimate coronavirus recovery levels for factories there.
Where do you get up to date satellite imagery?
https://www.planet.com/ has 3-5 meter resolution satellite images updated daily for almost all the land surface in the world. Their business model is to launch many lower power and resolution satellite with a few year life rather than launching a few super big and expensive satellite.
Clients can then get historical imagery of a target location to track daily developments (for things like deforestation, crop health, etc.).
Clients can then get historical imagery of a target location to track daily developments (for things like deforestation, crop health, etc.).
That's quite different than someone who doesn't work for a company observing something about their product.
Matt Levine talks a lot about insider trading, and the emphasis he always puts on it is about theft. Insider trading, in the US, isn’t about trading on uncommon knowledge or inferences. That’s actually many professional traders job: information arbitrage. It’s about trading on information that is owned by your employer. Your responsibility as an employee or executive is to the company and using inside corporate information for personal gain rather than corporate gain is a form of theft. Here’s his piece on the distinction between thinking about insider trading as being about fairness vs theft.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/a...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/a...
However, he also writes about how, say, being a golf buddy of an insider has been argued to somehow be a "position of trust" that can be betrayed by using inside information. It sounds like there is a nebulous area that you don't want to get caught up in, if you are the sort to pal around with executives and such. Winning after years in court, on appeal, could easily be a pyrrhic victory.
There's a reason he says don't take anything as legal advice.
There's a reason he says don't take anything as legal advice.
Could you please try to post direct links, rather than AMP links which are privacy-violating?
How about you're a FAAMG or any other big data harvester and you analyse this data from millions of businesses for insider trading and other business opportunities? If you don't overplay your hand no one will find out, competitive advantage galore.
Facebook were accused of exactly this in one line of questioning to Zuckerberg during last week's congressional hearing. Though I'm not sure if the implication was that they had done something illegal, or that they had done something which ought to be illegal.
Zuckerberg first said he wasn't aware of the situation being referred to (an old free VPN app that FB allegedly acquired to use for data harvesting); and then later asked to correct his testimony saying something along the lines of that he does remember, but the name of the app used (in the question) wasn't familiar to him so he had needed his memory jogged (presumably by an off-camera lawyer while he was muted).
I wondered whether it was intentional - claim ignorance to avoid the hard questions then fix the record later to avoid perjury while also avoiding follow up questions...
Edit: since parent wrote "data from millions of businesses" I should clarify that I don't have knowledge of what data FB are accused of harvesting, I think the idea was that it was data from consumers giving them a competitive advantage in considering what companies to acquire.
Zuckerberg first said he wasn't aware of the situation being referred to (an old free VPN app that FB allegedly acquired to use for data harvesting); and then later asked to correct his testimony saying something along the lines of that he does remember, but the name of the app used (in the question) wasn't familiar to him so he had needed his memory jogged (presumably by an off-camera lawyer while he was muted).
I wondered whether it was intentional - claim ignorance to avoid the hard questions then fix the record later to avoid perjury while also avoiding follow up questions...
Edit: since parent wrote "data from millions of businesses" I should clarify that I don't have knowledge of what data FB are accused of harvesting, I think the idea was that it was data from consumers giving them a competitive advantage in considering what companies to acquire.
Facebook wasn't buying and selling stock in public companies they gathered data on, and additionally didn't have a contractual arrangement with those companies to keep data about traffic to them private.
There's plenty of precedent for this kind of behavior: Comscore buys traffic data from ISPs and sells the aggregated insights. Supermarkets count sales and create in-house brands to compete with the vendors they sell products for.
There's plenty of precedent for this kind of behavior: Comscore buys traffic data from ISPs and sells the aggregated insights. Supermarkets count sales and create in-house brands to compete with the vendors they sell products for.
I think "insider" has an actual, statutory, legal definition, and it would not include random bystanders or observers. Of course, I'm not a lawyer and my comment is not intended to be legal advice.
What an insider is is all case law and precedent, not legislation.
You could analyze trading patterns, discover that insider trading is almost certainly taking place, trade on that, and you wouldn't be committing insider trading yourself. Your own deductions are fair game.
IANAL. Depends on jurisdiction.
In the US, if you get information, it’s “public” (or at least you can trade on it) unles you explicitly agree to keep it private (e.g. by signing an employment or other contract that includes “trade secrets” or “non-disclosure” clause). For example, Marc Cuban was sued, and won, after he traded stock after being told some “material information” but not agreeing to keep it a secret (he wasn’t even asked, IIRC).
On the other hand, in the EU, you’re supposed to know which information is non-public, so if you learn something potentially secret, you’d have to confirm that it’s actually public before you can legally trade on it.
In the US, if you get information, it’s “public” (or at least you can trade on it) unles you explicitly agree to keep it private (e.g. by signing an employment or other contract that includes “trade secrets” or “non-disclosure” clause). For example, Marc Cuban was sued, and won, after he traded stock after being told some “material information” but not agreeing to keep it a secret (he wasn’t even asked, IIRC).
On the other hand, in the EU, you’re supposed to know which information is non-public, so if you learn something potentially secret, you’d have to confirm that it’s actually public before you can legally trade on it.
Ianal too, but I don't think what you're saying about the EU is true. It might be true in some countries, but definitely not in the South-Eastern countries or the EU as an entity itself.
IANAL, but working in a trading desk and have 3/4 compliance trainings on insider trading every year (for SFC/HK and ESMA/Europe).
My understanding is the same as the parent post. You are assumed to know what is private information and what is not. A number of things are considered to be explicit markers of "public", e.g. the information is available on a platform that is freely accessible to anyone. In case of doubt, recommendation is to ask a local compliance officer.
So in summary, you are supposed to know, or to have the means to know (through compliance dpt). Anyway, if working in finance, there's a 99% chance you have to pre-declare and get approval for your single names stock purchases, and are subject to a minimum holding period.
My understanding is the same as the parent post. You are assumed to know what is private information and what is not. A number of things are considered to be explicit markers of "public", e.g. the information is available on a platform that is freely accessible to anyone. In case of doubt, recommendation is to ask a local compliance officer.
So in summary, you are supposed to know, or to have the means to know (through compliance dpt). Anyway, if working in finance, there's a 99% chance you have to pre-declare and get approval for your single names stock purchases, and are subject to a minimum holding period.
What I meant is that information on Twitter is public (that was the great-GP), there is no way anyone could say I was supposed to know that was private, right?
This definitely accounts as public information.
The definition of "public" does not even account for the degree of "annoyance" to retrieve the information. For instance most pre-earnings disclosures of companies are made through phone calls between the company and analysts, and this is considered public information as well (audio files are often released on the company website) , though you will agree that this is definitely harder to access and interpret than Twits. Which is why there is a whole segment of data providers selling raw transcripts and NLP sentiments results of these calls.
You can safely bet than anything you have access to on the public internet is public.
The definition of "public" does not even account for the degree of "annoyance" to retrieve the information. For instance most pre-earnings disclosures of companies are made through phone calls between the company and analysts, and this is considered public information as well (audio files are often released on the company website) , though you will agree that this is definitely harder to access and interpret than Twits. Which is why there is a whole segment of data providers selling raw transcripts and NLP sentiments results of these calls.
You can safely bet than anything you have access to on the public internet is public.
Yes - if the information was published on a non-protected account that would be considered public.
The big news could've been terrible. Kodak has had a rough couple years / decades. For all we know, that tweet implied the final nail in the coffin for Kodak.
The surprising part of this story for me was that Kodak is still trading. I thought they were dead and buried years ago, no nails left for that coffin.
I went to a Kodak Developers Conference in 2001. Even back then it was obvious they were struggling to find a way to remain relevant in a digital age. It struck me then that they were doomed, since their business was built on getting a cut from every picture taken. Nothing in digital was ever going to replicate that revenue stream.
I went to a Kodak Developers Conference in 2001. Even back then it was obvious they were struggling to find a way to remain relevant in a digital age. It struck me then that they were doomed, since their business was built on getting a cut from every picture taken. Nothing in digital was ever going to replicate that revenue stream.
Kodak invented the first self-contained digital camera in 1975.
"Steve Sasson, the Kodak engineer who invented the first digital camera in 1975, characterized the initial corporate response to his invention this way:
But it was filmless photography, so management’s reaction was, ‘that’s cute—but don’t tell anyone about it.’"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chunkamui/2012/01/18/how-kodak-...
"Steve Sasson, the Kodak engineer who invented the first digital camera in 1975, characterized the initial corporate response to his invention this way:
But it was filmless photography, so management’s reaction was, ‘that’s cute—but don’t tell anyone about it.’"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chunkamui/2012/01/18/how-kodak-...
Which in it's own way reflects even worse on them as a company.
Kodak was indeed an important player in the early digital age. But I think they made a mistake in thinking they could pivot to a 'similar' business model instead of making the hard choices to really change.
By the mid 80s with the advent of the VCR in people's homes it should have been obvious that their business model was not sustainable long term. Heck, Sony's original Mavica was from the first half of the 80s!
Something to consider about most of the camera makers that have managed to survive; most had SLR brands, and Lens lines to go with them. Kodak, on the other hand, focused mostly on 'point and shoot' type cameras where accessories and future revenue generation is nonexistent (except, of course, film and those disposable flashes...)
I remember Kodak's whole schtick with the photo printers, paper, and whatnot. The cameras themselves weren't bad. What went wrong (again, IMO) is that they missed that the writing was already on the wall for printing photos. By the mid 90s, PDAs were becoming a thing, Laptop computers and larger color LCDs were becoming more and more usable, Cell phones, while not ubiquitous, certainly were real technology.
While this is said with the benefit of hindsight, but I do wonder if anyone there considered that as soon as display and mobile technology improved enough to warrant printing photos not worth the time/effort, their new model would have fallen apart.
Kodak was indeed an important player in the early digital age. But I think they made a mistake in thinking they could pivot to a 'similar' business model instead of making the hard choices to really change.
By the mid 80s with the advent of the VCR in people's homes it should have been obvious that their business model was not sustainable long term. Heck, Sony's original Mavica was from the first half of the 80s!
Something to consider about most of the camera makers that have managed to survive; most had SLR brands, and Lens lines to go with them. Kodak, on the other hand, focused mostly on 'point and shoot' type cameras where accessories and future revenue generation is nonexistent (except, of course, film and those disposable flashes...)
I remember Kodak's whole schtick with the photo printers, paper, and whatnot. The cameras themselves weren't bad. What went wrong (again, IMO) is that they missed that the writing was already on the wall for printing photos. By the mid 90s, PDAs were becoming a thing, Laptop computers and larger color LCDs were becoming more and more usable, Cell phones, while not ubiquitous, certainly were real technology.
While this is said with the benefit of hindsight, but I do wonder if anyone there considered that as soon as display and mobile technology improved enough to warrant printing photos not worth the time/effort, their new model would have fallen apart.
Emphasizing the point and shoot cameras made perfect sense for Kodak, because it encouraged people to take more pictures and they made their money on the pictures. Same reason Google encourages everyone to use the web.
In 2001 it was obvious that they were pinning their hopes on everyone still printing pictures. The technologies they were pushing were related to printing, but they couldn't see that printing was a dead end.
In 2001 it was obvious that they were pinning their hopes on everyone still printing pictures. The technologies they were pushing were related to printing, but they couldn't see that printing was a dead end.
News "regarding a new manufacturing initiative" would hardly be negative. Key word being "new".
How about the ~opposite: you tweet something to move the stock price but you don't make any trade? It you have access to insider information this is a Reg FD violation as others have written. But what if you have no insider information? You just make something up and use your social media influence to manipulate stock prices -- for personal reasons, political reasons, or just for fun. I would assume this is also illegal, but can't recall any specific law or precident.
Not under the UK definition. Insider trading requires material non-public information. Being in news media means information is now public. However disclosing such information is also an offence. So it's not like you can tweet the info and trade on it now it's public.
Even if the information appeared in a paid subscription publication it is considered public as long as anyone could subscribe to it and it's not prohibitively expensive.
Source: I have enjoyed many many compliance training sessions.
Even if the information appeared in a paid subscription publication it is considered public as long as anyone could subscribe to it and it's not prohibitively expensive.
Source: I have enjoyed many many compliance training sessions.
I think a bigger question here is, did anyone really trade anything significant based on the leak? Or was the leak created purposefully to cover up the insider trading?
No. Once it’s public it’s public. It’s actually incredibly difficult to get charged and convicted of insider trading. It has to be really blatant.
It _really_ depends on who the person is and what their duty to the company is. Your statement is correct for those unaffiliated, but I’ve seen a fair share of prosecutions for insider trading for those with a duty to the company.
Matt Levine writes about this all the time. The current law is kind of murky.
If I remember correctly, 2 things need to be proven: 1) someone shared non-public information they shouldn’t have, 2) there was some consideration (money, etc) given for such information.
So there are cases where #2 becomes the issue because no money changed hands. Then the argument can get weird where the argument is “he offered the insider information in exchange for friendship”.
If I remember correctly, 2 things need to be proven: 1) someone shared non-public information they shouldn’t have, 2) there was some consideration (money, etc) given for such information.
So there are cases where #2 becomes the issue because no money changed hands. Then the argument can get weird where the argument is “he offered the insider information in exchange for friendship”.
Can’t answer that question. What other access did the trader have? Maybe it’s ok, maybe it’s not.
If you read Matt Levine he will tell you "insider trading is about theft"... It's about stealing material non public information. If you find a dollar on a busy sidewalk and pick it up, did you legally steal? Nope. But morally, you might not feel so great about it.
My moral intuition says that when deciding a question like this, one should imagine that the valuable object belongs to society and disregard who actually gets the benefit. The benefit to society of me having a dollar more or less is zero.
So what are the costs?
The cost to society of someone picking up a dollar bill is the energy expended in the action. I'd estimate 0.2 calories,[1] and about 3/4 of a cent per calorie,[2] which means about 0.15 cents total.
The cost to society of nobody picking up a dollar bill is the cost of printing a new one, about 7.7 cents.[3]
So I guess picking it up is about 50 times better, and given the moral principle that one should do what everyone should do, or vice versa, therefore I would.
[1]Stretching is about 150 calories per half hour; sitting is about 40 calories per half hour; 110 calories per half hour is 0.2 calories over ~3 seconds. (https://www.livestrong.com/article/438404-does-stretching-bu...)
[2] Americans spend $10-20 per day on food; 2000 calories is a reasonable amount (although Americans average substantially more). (https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistic...)
[3]https://www.google.com/search?q=cost+of+printing+a+dollar+bi...
So what are the costs?
The cost to society of someone picking up a dollar bill is the energy expended in the action. I'd estimate 0.2 calories,[1] and about 3/4 of a cent per calorie,[2] which means about 0.15 cents total.
The cost to society of nobody picking up a dollar bill is the cost of printing a new one, about 7.7 cents.[3]
So I guess picking it up is about 50 times better, and given the moral principle that one should do what everyone should do, or vice versa, therefore I would.
[1]Stretching is about 150 calories per half hour; sitting is about 40 calories per half hour; 110 calories per half hour is 0.2 calories over ~3 seconds. (https://www.livestrong.com/article/438404-does-stretching-bu...)
[2] Americans spend $10-20 per day on food; 2000 calories is a reasonable amount (although Americans average substantially more). (https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistic...)
[3]https://www.google.com/search?q=cost+of+printing+a+dollar+bi...
> My moral intuition says that when deciding a question like this, one should imagine that the valuable object belongs to society and disregard who actually gets the benefit.
How do you decide when to apply this kind of thinking?
For example, if you believe I'm making poor use of my car and you think you could do more good with it, does that make it OK to steal it, on the basis that humanity still has the same number of cars and now one of them is being used more effectively?
I'm not saying it's wrong to pick a dollar up off the floor, just that I'm not convinced the reason it is OK is the reason you gave. I think the reason it is OK to pick a dollar up off the floor is because that dollar basically belongs to nobody at that point.
Casey Neistat has a good video on this topic: The Ethics of Stealing a Bike ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW6gGyfxn1U ) where he argues that it's never OK to steal someone's bike, but it is OK to steal "nobody's bike", i.e. a bike that has clearly been abandoned.
How do you decide when to apply this kind of thinking?
For example, if you believe I'm making poor use of my car and you think you could do more good with it, does that make it OK to steal it, on the basis that humanity still has the same number of cars and now one of them is being used more effectively?
I'm not saying it's wrong to pick a dollar up off the floor, just that I'm not convinced the reason it is OK is the reason you gave. I think the reason it is OK to pick a dollar up off the floor is because that dollar basically belongs to nobody at that point.
Casey Neistat has a good video on this topic: The Ethics of Stealing a Bike ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW6gGyfxn1U ) where he argues that it's never OK to steal someone's bike, but it is OK to steal "nobody's bike", i.e. a bike that has clearly been abandoned.
>For example, if you believe I'm making poor use of my car and you think you could do more good with it, does that make it OK to steal it
I think that one should be skeptical of one's own rationalizations for something like that, and also consider all of the costs to everyone. Even if a law is unjust, the machinery that enforces it is going to use resources when the law is flouted. Even if there was no enforcement, any precautions against theft are going to have a cost. Lack of trust has profound effects indirectly.
I think that one should be skeptical of one's own rationalizations for something like that, and also consider all of the costs to everyone. Even if a law is unjust, the machinery that enforces it is going to use resources when the law is flouted. Even if there was no enforcement, any precautions against theft are going to have a cost. Lack of trust has profound effects indirectly.
As bad as it was this was leaked beforehand, once it is posted on Twitter by a news report, I would no longer consider it 'inside information'. Still, the entire scenario is very strange.
Importantly, though, Kodak did not act as though the information had become public -- they attempted to get the news reports unpublished and keep the information non-public. At best, this is wildly incorrect bordering on fraudulent; at worst, it's insider trading.
> Importantly, though, Kodak did not act as though the information had become public
That fact isn't important in the slightest.
> this is wildly incorrect bordering on fraudulent; at worst, it's insider trading.
It's wildly incompetent behaviour by Kodak, sure, but at worst it's a Regulation FD violation. (Even that would be a bit surprising.)
It's certainly not insider trading based on what is currently known or even what's been reasonably speculated.
That fact isn't important in the slightest.
> this is wildly incorrect bordering on fraudulent; at worst, it's insider trading.
It's wildly incompetent behaviour by Kodak, sure, but at worst it's a Regulation FD violation. (Even that would be a bit surprising.)
It's certainly not insider trading based on what is currently known or even what's been reasonably speculated.
Some more context here: https://www.epsilontheory.com/the-grifters-chapter-1-kodak/#...
Warren Buffett is quoted that you should never sell a stock unless you need the money. This is why. Companies that seem like they are on the verge of dying or irrelevance , sometimes pivot or get cash infusions, roaring back to life. There is no guarantee this happens for all fallen stocks, but I have seen it happen many times, especially if the company is a large brand that has fallen on hard times.
Buffett very rarely uses such absolutes in a literal way. He has said to buy with a mindset that you plan to hold a stock forever. It's meant as a mental tool, to keep you from over-trading, bouncing in and out of positions too frequently. It's meant to spur greater discipline and better investigation of what you're buying.
He's very much an advocate of selling if the situation warrants it.
He frequently sells stocks and doesn't need the money. He dumped his airline holdings (he owned 10% of all the majors) during the pandemic while sitting on ~$130 billion in cash. He sold a large chunk of Wells Fargo recently (a stock he has liked for a long time). He previously bought and sold Oracle, IBM, Walmart, and so on. He has made several mistakes messing with oil companies, including a bad one with ConocoPhillips in 2006 before the commodity bubble crash.
Buffett is always willing to sell, under two scenarios: 1) he comes to the conclusion that he was wrong in the assessment that prompted the purchase (a mistake on his part, as in Conoco); 2) something substantial changes about the the company or its context for the negative (or otherwise in a way that he isn't able to understand, something outside his lane).
He's very much an advocate of selling if the situation warrants it.
He frequently sells stocks and doesn't need the money. He dumped his airline holdings (he owned 10% of all the majors) during the pandemic while sitting on ~$130 billion in cash. He sold a large chunk of Wells Fargo recently (a stock he has liked for a long time). He previously bought and sold Oracle, IBM, Walmart, and so on. He has made several mistakes messing with oil companies, including a bad one with ConocoPhillips in 2006 before the commodity bubble crash.
Buffett is always willing to sell, under two scenarios: 1) he comes to the conclusion that he was wrong in the assessment that prompted the purchase (a mistake on his part, as in Conoco); 2) something substantial changes about the the company or its context for the negative (or otherwise in a way that he isn't able to understand, something outside his lane).
With this and the Kodak crypto before, I can’t believe the SEC won’t get involved...
The journalist who posted to twitter will have some explaining to do, if not something more.
Nope. The press release from Kodak didn't contain any embargo information. Kodak told the press, but forgot to tell them not to report it.
Just rank incompetence from Kodak.
Just rank incompetence from Kodak.
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The CEO bought about 50 k. shares extra on the dip, while he had 650 k.
The Government gives a penny stock a loan bigger than it's market valuation.
Trump is known for trying to influence stocks.
It's pretty easy to put a and B together. Trump was pleased to announce it on Twitter ( as usual).
https://theweek.com/speedreads/840126/trump-might-have-repor...
I remember an article from 1987 that mentioned that traders were starting to ignore Trump because of market manipulation ( pump and dump schemes). The year was easy to remember since it's my birth year, but couldn't find the link again, will look further.
Something about an old fox...
The Government gives a penny stock a loan bigger than it's market valuation.
Trump is known for trying to influence stocks.
It's pretty easy to put a and B together. Trump was pleased to announce it on Twitter ( as usual).
https://theweek.com/speedreads/840126/trump-might-have-repor...
I remember an article from 1987 that mentioned that traders were starting to ignore Trump because of market manipulation ( pump and dump schemes). The year was easy to remember since it's my birth year, but couldn't find the link again, will look further.
Something about an old fox...
Is that "insider" trading? Or is that "I follow News 8 WROC Rochester on Twitter" trading?