Police warn students to avoid Sci-Hub(bbc.com)
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Police warn students to avoid Sci-Hub
https://www.bbc.com/news/education-56462390
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Discussed before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26517220
libgen/scihub are of such monumental social/moral worth that their illegality delegitimizes the law as a whole https://twitter.com/alicemazzy/status/1220062740825415689
Well, that the law is wrong on one aspect does not mean it is wrong for every thing.
We should strive making the law match what is morally right, but law ≠ morally right. There are lawful things that are morally wrong and conversely.
This is difficult because:
- it is difficult for the law to keep up with every aspect of things
- "morally right" is not universal. It is proper to each person.
My take is: don't use the law as a definition of what is right and keep being critical. Breaking the law might be the right thing to do in some situations (and not breaking it, the wrong thing to do!), but be aware of the consequences of doing so. Law is also a common ground to make a society work by getting people to act under the same rules, so it makes sense to abide by it if there is not a good reason not to do so. It's not perfect and does not make sense for some things. It can also evolve for the better through civil disobedience, which is a bit paradoxical because while society relies on people following the law, breaking it in this situation may be a right thing to do (depending on your views!).
(edit: I'm saying this as someone who, by default, does not much like laws and rules. I need to make sense of rules to follow them without reluctance)
We should strive making the law match what is morally right, but law ≠ morally right. There are lawful things that are morally wrong and conversely.
This is difficult because:
- it is difficult for the law to keep up with every aspect of things
- "morally right" is not universal. It is proper to each person.
My take is: don't use the law as a definition of what is right and keep being critical. Breaking the law might be the right thing to do in some situations (and not breaking it, the wrong thing to do!), but be aware of the consequences of doing so. Law is also a common ground to make a society work by getting people to act under the same rules, so it makes sense to abide by it if there is not a good reason not to do so. It's not perfect and does not make sense for some things. It can also evolve for the better through civil disobedience, which is a bit paradoxical because while society relies on people following the law, breaking it in this situation may be a right thing to do (depending on your views!).
(edit: I'm saying this as someone who, by default, does not much like laws and rules. I need to make sense of rules to follow them without reluctance)
I read your whole comment, up and down, yet I can't figure out what you are trying to say. Is there a point you are trying to make?
Yeah, sorry, it is a bit confusing.
When reading "libgen/scihub are of such monumental social/moral worth that their illegality delegitimizes the law as a whole", I first empathized with it, but I found it wrong on second thought.
My point is: this statement feels right to someone like me but is logically wrong and there are many complicated and subtle things to say about this, that I wanted to say to people who'd be inclined to agree with this statement for the same reasons as me.
If the statement felt wrong to you on first thought, then my comment might seem out of topic or pointless.
When reading "libgen/scihub are of such monumental social/moral worth that their illegality delegitimizes the law as a whole", I first empathized with it, but I found it wrong on second thought.
My point is: this statement feels right to someone like me but is logically wrong and there are many complicated and subtle things to say about this, that I wanted to say to people who'd be inclined to agree with this statement for the same reasons as me.
If the statement felt wrong to you on first thought, then my comment might seem out of topic or pointless.
I wonder if sci hub (and potentially even abandoning certain copyright laws) leads to less publications due to less financial incentives.
I can imagine that nobody is going to write books professionally anymore if copyright laws to protect intellectual property were abandoned.
I can imagine that nobody is going to write books professionally anymore if copyright laws to protect intellectual property were abandoned.
Publishers are not paying scientists for papers, they are extorting exclusive copyrights promising exposure and fame, using psychological pressure founded on the "publish or perish" mentality.
They are a big part of the problem, but SciHub is not the answer. We need a free and open source platform for publishing and peer reviewing run by a non-profit organisation, financed as a public project. The big journals would still lure with fame and sell to readers with pre-selection and garnishment, but they can not be allowed exclusive rights.
See: their most important customers are not individual readers, the journals sell bulk access to the very universities they get their content from. A few generations ago they were needed to distribute knowledge, and we are thankful for that, but their technology has become outdated and ineffective. Nowadays their money engine no longer relies on providing access to scientific knowledge, but on limiting it.
They need to loose that power, so society can move forward.
They are a big part of the problem, but SciHub is not the answer. We need a free and open source platform for publishing and peer reviewing run by a non-profit organisation, financed as a public project. The big journals would still lure with fame and sell to readers with pre-selection and garnishment, but they can not be allowed exclusive rights.
See: their most important customers are not individual readers, the journals sell bulk access to the very universities they get their content from. A few generations ago they were needed to distribute knowledge, and we are thankful for that, but their technology has become outdated and ineffective. Nowadays their money engine no longer relies on providing access to scientific knowledge, but on limiting it.
They need to loose that power, so society can move forward.
Yes, scientists have everything to gain from their work being as visible as possible. And many themselves rely on Sci-Hub to get papers for which their lab don't pay expensive access to. And they don't receive money when their papers are bought.
The loosing ones are publishers and they kind of deserve it if you ask me. They make scientists pay with money to publish their work, and with time for unpaid reviews, and yet they make a profit out of it, which, for the record, is often paid with public money on both sides. This is quite clever when you think about it. Publishers had their use when we needed publications to be printed on papers but now their role is more arguable.
Should private publishers collapse, scientists would figure out a way to publish their papers another way and that might be for the best. (edit since you added your second paragraph: hopefully using something like the "free and open source platform for publishing and peer reviewing run by a non-profit organisation, financed as a public project" that you mention)
The loosing ones are publishers and they kind of deserve it if you ask me. They make scientists pay with money to publish their work, and with time for unpaid reviews, and yet they make a profit out of it, which, for the record, is often paid with public money on both sides. This is quite clever when you think about it. Publishers had their use when we needed publications to be printed on papers but now their role is more arguable.
Should private publishers collapse, scientists would figure out a way to publish their papers another way and that might be for the best. (edit since you added your second paragraph: hopefully using something like the "free and open source platform for publishing and peer reviewing run by a non-profit organisation, financed as a public project" that you mention)
People will continue to write books professionally and this will encourage more. Most of these books are written not to make a profit but to enrich a profile / a personal brand. This brings in a wider audience and perhaps a bigger following / rep.
At Duke University, it seemed that everyone on the campus network had access to most research available online.
When I left, it left a whole in my life of the wealth of human knowledge that should be available to everyone.
If there were only a few things on earth that should be unrestricted, it would be good research.
Today, in the public domain, there is a abhorrence and abundance of fake research, driven by misguided funding and attempts to excel in the academic community or perhaps to secure competitive employment in places in the world where ethics are lacking.
I don’t stand up for hackers typically, but I support this type of ethical hacking of the last bastion of our future with the hope that humanity will see the problem in its whole and have governments that can afford it to work out a deal to somehow at arm’s length fund reputable journals and fix the scourge before we waste untold amounts of money related to basing attempts at honest and good scientific study on bad research which has evolved due to the high cost of accessing good research and attaining visibility as research that is approved and submitted for review, with each revision obvious and available, and finally take this seriously.
When I left, it left a whole in my life of the wealth of human knowledge that should be available to everyone.
If there were only a few things on earth that should be unrestricted, it would be good research.
Today, in the public domain, there is a abhorrence and abundance of fake research, driven by misguided funding and attempts to excel in the academic community or perhaps to secure competitive employment in places in the world where ethics are lacking.
I don’t stand up for hackers typically, but I support this type of ethical hacking of the last bastion of our future with the hope that humanity will see the problem in its whole and have governments that can afford it to work out a deal to somehow at arm’s length fund reputable journals and fix the scourge before we waste untold amounts of money related to basing attempts at honest and good scientific study on bad research which has evolved due to the high cost of accessing good research and attaining visibility as research that is approved and submitted for review, with each revision obvious and available, and finally take this seriously.
Odd warning. I get the impression the police have not tried using sci-hub. They should give it a go!
>If you're tricked into revealing your log-in credentials, whether it's through the use of fake emails or malware, we know that Sci-Hub will then use those details
I mean sci-hub doesn't do that. If they warn about anything it should maybe be that torrenting copyrighted stuff could make you liable for prosecution. Or that torrenting papers may be a gateway drug to torrenting MS Office which may well have malware.
>If you're tricked into revealing your log-in credentials, whether it's through the use of fake emails or malware, we know that Sci-Hub will then use those details
I mean sci-hub doesn't do that. If they warn about anything it should maybe be that torrenting copyrighted stuff could make you liable for prosecution. Or that torrenting papers may be a gateway drug to torrenting MS Office which may well have malware.
> The City of London police's Intellectual Property Crime Unit says using the Sci-Hub website could "pose a threat" to students' personal data.
That's a very thinly veiled threat
That's a very thinly veiled threat
Given the Orwellian level of mass surveillance the UK is building, "the GCHQ collects data about anyone connecting to any any site and has a special dossier on people using Sci-Hub, so if you use it, you will be flagged by secret police and this can and will be used as kompromat against you by your own government" is a far more credible threat about misuse of students personal data than anything the aforementioned site is going to do.
The far more interesting part of the article however is the "urged universities to block the website on their networks" part.
The far more interesting part of the article however is the "urged universities to block the website on their networks" part.
They're police, they probably just followed some orders from up the chain.
If they did their home work, they will probably never
> concerned that users of the "Russia-based website" could have information taken and misused online.
I mean, so many wrongs in that one line.
If they did their home work, they will probably never
> concerned that users of the "Russia-based website" could have information taken and misused online.
I mean, so many wrongs in that one line.
Nothing Russian is ever good, don't you know...
> I mean sci-hub doesn't do that.
Not if you're just downloading papers, but where do you think they get those papers from? People giving them Shibboleth logins. Obviously they are very secretive about how they get those logins. There are claims they use phishing.
https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2016/02/25/sci-hub-how-d...
> [logins] are apparently ‘donated’ by academics. It’s not clear whether the academics who have donated such information are aware of what they have done. According to Edward Sanchez, head of library information technology at Marquette University, academics there have been targeted by a phishing campaign specifically aimed at obtaining university access credentials. These have subsequently been used by Sci-Hub. Sci-Hub contests this.
Not if you're just downloading papers, but where do you think they get those papers from? People giving them Shibboleth logins. Obviously they are very secretive about how they get those logins. There are claims they use phishing.
https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2016/02/25/sci-hub-how-d...
> [logins] are apparently ‘donated’ by academics. It’s not clear whether the academics who have donated such information are aware of what they have done. According to Edward Sanchez, head of library information technology at Marquette University, academics there have been targeted by a phishing campaign specifically aimed at obtaining university access credentials. These have subsequently been used by Sci-Hub. Sci-Hub contests this.
This is a very strange article. No idea what City of London police has to do with this- there aren't even any universities in City of London (probably a few publishers though). Sci-hub doesn't have any logins barring captchas so why would that be an issue? You could make the same argument for YouTube being a security threat.
The City of London Police are often involved in nationwide fraud issues, consulting with other regional police forces, etc. They're a leading UK center for it just because they deal with it so often.
This is all a bit "you wouldn't download a car" of course, but it's not that unusual for them to comment on these things.
This is all a bit "you wouldn't download a car" of course, but it's not that unusual for them to comment on these things.
Also, the City of London is (I think) the only municipal body where businesses are allowed to vote alongside residents AND outnumber residents.
From the Wikipedia article:
> As it has not been affected by other municipal legislation over the period of time since then, its electoral practice has become increasingly anomalous.
Therefore, the non-residential vote (or business vote), abolished in the rest of the country in 1969, became an increasingly large part of the electorate. The non-residential vote system used disfavoured incorporated companies. The City of London (Ward Elections) Act 2002 greatly increased the business franchise, allowing many more businesses to be represented. In 2009, the business vote was about 24,000, greatly exceeding residential voters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London_Corporation
From the Wikipedia article:
> As it has not been affected by other municipal legislation over the period of time since then, its electoral practice has become increasingly anomalous.
Therefore, the non-residential vote (or business vote), abolished in the rest of the country in 1969, became an increasingly large part of the electorate. The non-residential vote system used disfavoured incorporated companies. The City of London (Ward Elections) Act 2002 greatly increased the business franchise, allowing many more businesses to be represented. In 2009, the business vote was about 24,000, greatly exceeding residential voters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London_Corporation
Also, the sherrifs are elected by the Common Hall. The Common Hall consists of the senior members of the Livery Companies which are the guilds and trade associations. So the police is exclusively elected by the businesses.
The City of London is an age-old construct by the financial and aristocratic elite to further their interests and evade a few taxes and regulations. The CoL police is more like the financial police, and therefore primarily enforces business interests and prosecutes mostly financial and business-relevant crime.
The name is definitely weird, just like Scotland Yard has little to do with Scotland or units of length.
The name is definitely weird, just like Scotland Yard has little to do with Scotland or units of length.
Scotland Yard is a place where the Met just happened to be based.
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City of London is no weirder than New York City, and Scotland Yard is no weirder than Wall Street.
In the UK 'city' doesn't mean 'big place', so we have some that you'd call villages, and others that you'd recognise.
In the UK 'city' doesn't mean 'big place', so we have some that you'd call villages, and others that you'd recognise.
CoL is far weirder. First, it is not the same as "London", it is just the central part of London. CoL has a different election system from all other parts of England, corporations get a vote (actually, several, how many depends on size and kind of business, derived from the ancient guild system) and outnumber residents by far. This also includes voting the sherrifs into office, explaining the firmly pro-business stance of the police. The CoL also owns properties outside it's own domain, even public grounds in Northern Ireland (via an intermediary). Large parts of the CoL and thereby electoral votes in the CoL are owned by the Crown, the royal family and various lords. This explains the CoL escaping all attempts at reforming it into something more democratic and into a normal part of the city of London (note the non-capital 'c' in 'city').
Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London if you are interested.
If you want to know how ancient and ingrained the weirdness of the CoL is, look no further than to one of three clauses of the Magna Carta still in effect: "IX. THE City of London shall have all the old Liberties and Customs which it hath been used to have. Moreover We will and grant, that all other Cities, Boroughs, Towns, and the Barons of the Five Ports, as with all other Ports, shall have all their Liberties and free Customs."
Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London if you are interested.
If you want to know how ancient and ingrained the weirdness of the CoL is, look no further than to one of three clauses of the Magna Carta still in effect: "IX. THE City of London shall have all the old Liberties and Customs which it hath been used to have. Moreover We will and grant, that all other Cities, Boroughs, Towns, and the Barons of the Five Ports, as with all other Ports, shall have all their Liberties and free Customs."
City of London is kinda weird as its the only place in the UK that companies can vote (as far as I'm aware). its got like 10k actual humans voting there and like 24k votes from companies.
In times of yore in the UK (and England in particular) city status was bestowed primarily by dent of there being a cathedral in the city. City status was (and I think also still is on advice of parliament) also bestowed by the Crown. These days it is largely down to population size.
> City of London is no weirder than NYC ...
really, not weird? compared to what? the Vatican?
It's arguably the financial (offshore) capital of the world and home to over eleven thousand people.
The City of London lives inside of the city named London but the two Londons have separate city halls and elect separate mayors, who collect separate taxes to fund separate police who enforce separate laws.
The Mayor of the City of London is called 'The Right Honourable Lord Mayor of London' to match his fancy outfit. He gets to ride in a golden carriage and work in a Guildhall while the mayor of London has to wear a suit, ride a bike and work in an office building.
The City of London also has its own flag and its own crest and gets to act more like one of the countries in the UK than just an oddly located city. The corporation that runs the city of London is older than the United Kingdom by several hundred years.
It was created by Romans in 43 CE as "Londonimium" with their temples, public baths, roads, bridges and a wall to defend their work. It's this wall which is why the current City of London exists - for though the Romans came and the Romans went and kingdoms rose and kingdoms fell, the wall endured protecting the city within. After the Romans William the Conqueror came to Great Britain to begin modern British history he found the City of London, with its sturdy walls more challenging to defeat than farmers on open fields. So he agreed to recognize the rights and privileges City of Londoners were used to in return for the them recognizing him as the new King. Though after the negotiation, William quickly built towers around the City of London which were just as much about protecting William from the locals within as defending against the Vikings from without.
This started a thousand-year long tradition whereby Monarchs always reconfirmed that 'yes' the City of London is a special, unique place best left to its own business, while simultaneously distrusting it. Many a monarch thought the City of London was too powerful and rich. And one even built a new Capital city nearby, named Westminster, to compete with the City of London and hopefully, suck power and wealth away from it. This was the start of the second London.
As the centuries passed, Westminster grew and merged with nearby towns eventually surrounding the walled-in, and still separate City of London. But, people began to call the whole urban collection 'London' and the name became official when Parliament joined towns together under a single municipal government with a mayor. But, the mayor of London still doesn't have power over the tiny City of London which has rules and traditions like nowhere else in the country and possibly the world.
For example, the ruling monarch doesn't just enter the City of London on a whim, but instead asks for permission from the Lord Mayor at a ceremony. While it's not required by law, the ceremony is, unusual to say the least.
The City of London also has a representative in Parliament, the "Remembrancer", whose job it is to protects the City's special rights. Because of this, laws passed by Parliament sometimes don't apply to the City of London: most notably voting reforms ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrObZ_HZZUc
really, not weird? compared to what? the Vatican?
It's arguably the financial (offshore) capital of the world and home to over eleven thousand people.
The City of London lives inside of the city named London but the two Londons have separate city halls and elect separate mayors, who collect separate taxes to fund separate police who enforce separate laws.
The Mayor of the City of London is called 'The Right Honourable Lord Mayor of London' to match his fancy outfit. He gets to ride in a golden carriage and work in a Guildhall while the mayor of London has to wear a suit, ride a bike and work in an office building.
The City of London also has its own flag and its own crest and gets to act more like one of the countries in the UK than just an oddly located city. The corporation that runs the city of London is older than the United Kingdom by several hundred years.
It was created by Romans in 43 CE as "Londonimium" with their temples, public baths, roads, bridges and a wall to defend their work. It's this wall which is why the current City of London exists - for though the Romans came and the Romans went and kingdoms rose and kingdoms fell, the wall endured protecting the city within. After the Romans William the Conqueror came to Great Britain to begin modern British history he found the City of London, with its sturdy walls more challenging to defeat than farmers on open fields. So he agreed to recognize the rights and privileges City of Londoners were used to in return for the them recognizing him as the new King. Though after the negotiation, William quickly built towers around the City of London which were just as much about protecting William from the locals within as defending against the Vikings from without.
This started a thousand-year long tradition whereby Monarchs always reconfirmed that 'yes' the City of London is a special, unique place best left to its own business, while simultaneously distrusting it. Many a monarch thought the City of London was too powerful and rich. And one even built a new Capital city nearby, named Westminster, to compete with the City of London and hopefully, suck power and wealth away from it. This was the start of the second London.
As the centuries passed, Westminster grew and merged with nearby towns eventually surrounding the walled-in, and still separate City of London. But, people began to call the whole urban collection 'London' and the name became official when Parliament joined towns together under a single municipal government with a mayor. But, the mayor of London still doesn't have power over the tiny City of London which has rules and traditions like nowhere else in the country and possibly the world.
For example, the ruling monarch doesn't just enter the City of London on a whim, but instead asks for permission from the Lord Mayor at a ceremony. While it's not required by law, the ceremony is, unusual to say the least.
The City of London also has a representative in Parliament, the "Remembrancer", whose job it is to protects the City's special rights. Because of this, laws passed by Parliament sometimes don't apply to the City of London: most notably voting reforms ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrObZ_HZZUc
> No idea what City of London police has to do with this
I don't know why City of London police even exists. Is there any good reason for them not to be absorbed by the Metropolitan Police Service?
I don't know why City of London police even exists. Is there any good reason for them not to be absorbed by the Metropolitan Police Service?
There's probably some law on the books that says the City has their own police force and rewriting it opens up a whole can of worms nobody wants to deal with.
> There's probably some law on the books that says the City has their own police force
City of London Police Act 1839
> and rewriting it opens up a whole can of worms nobody wants to deal with.
The issue is political. Business interests want to retain the City of London as independent from Greater London because while the rest of London is a one-person-one-vote democracy, the City of London is not. Most of the votes in the City of London are controlled by businesses not residents. The City of London having its own police force is a sign of its independence. Merging City of London Police into the Metropolitan Police Service would be seen as a potential steppingstone to making the City of London part of Greater London, and hence introducing to it genuine democracy
City of London Police Act 1839
> and rewriting it opens up a whole can of worms nobody wants to deal with.
The issue is political. Business interests want to retain the City of London as independent from Greater London because while the rest of London is a one-person-one-vote democracy, the City of London is not. Most of the votes in the City of London are controlled by businesses not residents. The City of London having its own police force is a sign of its independence. Merging City of London Police into the Metropolitan Police Service would be seen as a potential steppingstone to making the City of London part of Greater London, and hence introducing to it genuine democracy
CoLP has a national responsibility for fraud, so it has several teams that are nothing really to do with the City, the Intellectual Property Crime Unit is one of them.
As for the article they are clearly scraping the bottom of barrel trying to come up with ways to dissuade users. If they have grounds to enforce it as an IP crime, they should enforce a block. Either way they should stop this embarrassing nonsense trying to spin it as a cyber threat.
As for the article they are clearly scraping the bottom of barrel trying to come up with ways to dissuade users. If they have grounds to enforce it as an IP crime, they should enforce a block. Either way they should stop this embarrassing nonsense trying to spin it as a cyber threat.
> there aren't even any universities in City of London
This is tangential to the main discussion, but London Metropolitan University has a campus in the City, the Guildhall School of Music is there, and there seems to be a campus of Chicago Business School too.
This is tangential to the main discussion, but London Metropolitan University has a campus in the City, the Guildhall School of Music is there, and there seems to be a campus of Chicago Business School too.
> Sci-hub doesn't have any logins barring captchas so why would that be an issue?
They need Shibboleth logins to download the papers. There have been claims that they use phishing to obtain them.
They need Shibboleth logins to download the papers. There have been claims that they use phishing to obtain them.
Except students have already learned that misusing personal data is ok and if you are large enough company you can do it with total impunity even if you get caught (Facebook, etc.)
Having to stay online is a must for most people and being constantly conned or abused practically everywhere makes people used to that new normal. People learn to ignore signs of dishonesty and extract value from services despite.
Better tell tell people to never reuse credentials and assume that every company may have malicious intent. Tell people there is always price attached to services. If you don't pay for it explicitly it most likely means the company extracts it some other way -- ask yourselves how exactly.
Having to stay online is a must for most people and being constantly conned or abused practically everywhere makes people used to that new normal. People learn to ignore signs of dishonesty and extract value from services despite.
Better tell tell people to never reuse credentials and assume that every company may have malicious intent. Tell people there is always price attached to services. If you don't pay for it explicitly it most likely means the company extracts it some other way -- ask yourselves how exactly.
> Tell people there is always price attached to services. If you don't pay for it explicitly it most likely means the company extracts it some other way -- ask yourselves how exactly.
The Cambridge Analytica scandal is as close to an example of what a privacy catastrophe looks like as I can imagine right now. Many people separated themselves from Facebook as a result. I just wonder how many more incidents like that have to occur before people get wise to surveillance capitalism.
I'm not hopeful that the truth is ever going to be clear given the cacophony of non-stop disinformation campaigns (like the OP "news" article).
I think everybody should be paying for online services and companies should not be allowed to provide services that are free of charge.
The simple truth is that all companies are for profit or at the very least have running costs that need to be covered.
As long as people expect services to be free of charge there isn't much that can be done. Companies will work hard to monetize you as a product because there isn't much else that can be done.
We can always try to create more law or precedents, but companies will put their billions to exploit every single bit of information about you that can be exploited in any possible way.
I believe the explicit price is needed to have healthy competition and for the companies to focus on services they render to their customers and not on the customers as a product packaged for other companies to use for some shady business.
The simple truth is that all companies are for profit or at the very least have running costs that need to be covered.
As long as people expect services to be free of charge there isn't much that can be done. Companies will work hard to monetize you as a product because there isn't much else that can be done.
We can always try to create more law or precedents, but companies will put their billions to exploit every single bit of information about you that can be exploited in any possible way.
I believe the explicit price is needed to have healthy competition and for the companies to focus on services they render to their customers and not on the customers as a product packaged for other companies to use for some shady business.
Definitely do not link to it!
https://sci-hub.se/
https://sci-hub.se/
Which by the way should not be added to the hosts file to make it resolve on a censored connection this way:
sci-hub.se 186.2.163.219Blocked by my ISP https://imgur.com/a/fesNpFK
Tor browser
Looks like virgin media are blocking the IP address.
If only there were some kind of private, virtual network I could use…
If only there were some kind of private, virtual network I could use…
Never put this in a bookmarklet, you may get addicted:
javascript:window.location='http:/'+'/sci-hub.se/'+window.locationNever go to the sci-hub wikipedia page for the full updatef list of functioning URLs
The Wikipedia page for Libgen keeps an updated list of working URLs, just in case this site should go down:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_Genesis
A bit of a technical tangent, but I wonder if a peer to peer version of this website would increase its chances of survival. I can easily imagine something like a reference manager that puts copies of the PDFs you've read or written on IPFS. It would still require some central node that coordinates the sharing, but if some open source ActivityPub service would fill that role it could work I think. Provided there is of course enough personal incentive to share and keep sharing these works.
There's been an ongoing effort for a bit over a year now to make sure the torrents from sci-hub's archive are sufficiently well seeded (specifically, the scimag collection from library genesis, available at libgen.rs). It's about 80TB total, so with current hard drive prices you can maintain your own local copy of all 85 million articles for under $2k. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any tools to usefully browse the collection like what you suggested but it would be great to see something like that.
The main library genesis book collection is already available via IPFS (see freeread.org), so I wouldn't be surprised to see all the sci-hub articles available similarly at some point.
The main library genesis book collection is already available via IPFS (see freeread.org), so I wouldn't be surprised to see all the sci-hub articles available similarly at some point.
What I find more amazing about libgen is that even non-IPFS users can still get access through the Cloudflare gateway. Years ago it was a slow dodgy process through regular http channels.
Hats off to them for fighting the good fight here. IPFS has a bright future and I have massive respect for these large companies that get behind it.
Hats off to them for fighting the good fight here. IPFS has a bright future and I have massive respect for these large companies that get behind it.
"Russia-based website"
It's based in Kazakhstan. The US and the UK establishment have so internalized their hatred of the Russian people it's apparently now spilling over onto the Kazakhs. It's ignorance all the way down.
And the BBC doesn't correct this obvious lie. They quote it to absolve themselves of blame, but they don't correct it.
It's based in Kazakhstan. The US and the UK establishment have so internalized their hatred of the Russian people it's apparently now spilling over onto the Kazakhs. It's ignorance all the way down.
And the BBC doesn't correct this obvious lie. They quote it to absolve themselves of blame, but they don't correct it.
More specifically, it was founded by an Armenian in Kazakhstan, who once briefly blocked access to the site to Russian IPs because of some feud with Russians.
But yeah, everything to the east of Germany is Russia, right?...
But yeah, everything to the east of Germany is Russia, right?...
This is an advertorial for Sci-Hub, british dry humor style.
Does this headline sound confusing only to non-native speakers like me?
1. "to warn someone to avoid something" sounds like "to urge someone to do that something" to me.
2. Should sci-hub be referred to as a "science website" like nature.com, quantamagazine.com etc.
I'm a native (BrE) speaker, and it sounds perfectly natural to me, but I understand what you mean, I can see that.
Say you're about to drive over a cliff edge, the obvious thing I can do is 'warn you about it', but I can also 'warn you not to do it' because it's dangerous, etc.
If I instead 'warned you to drive over the cliff':
It could have been:
> Police caution students against using science website
A warning is either about a bad thing:
> Science website considered harmful, police warn
Or a strong suggestion for corrective action:
> Don't use science website, police warn
> Police warn students not to use science website
> [The submission]
Say you're about to drive over a cliff edge, the obvious thing I can do is 'warn you about it', but I can also 'warn you not to do it' because it's dangerous, etc.
If I instead 'warned you to drive over the cliff':
- something else needs to follow - 'or else I will do something worse to you' for example
- it means that you should (IMO - my *fictional* O!) do it
It could have been:
> Police caution students against using science website
A warning is either about a bad thing:
> Science website considered harmful, police warn
Or a strong suggestion for corrective action:
> Don't use science website, police warn
> Police warn students not to use science website
> [The submission]
As a native speaker of British English I did not find the title confusing: I think the confusion is that the typical meaning of "warn to" and "warn about" are different.
"warning someone to avoid something" suggests that there is a risk associated with the thing itself - they should avoid the thing
"warning someone about avoiding something" suggests that there is a risk associated with avoiding the thing - they should not avoid the thing
(e.g., "HMRC warns people about avoiding paying income tax")
"warning someone to avoid something" suggests that there is a risk associated with the thing itself - they should avoid the thing
"warning someone about avoiding something" suggests that there is a risk associated with avoiding the thing - they should not avoid the thing
(e.g., "HMRC warns people about avoiding paying income tax")
The confusion seems to be why they would post something so weak in the first place. Do they think the British public are stupid? It's makes them seem like they come from a banana republic.
I understood what they meant and English is not my first language but it could be worded better.
warn X to avoid Y sounds fine to me as a non native speaker.
Science website sounds off to me for speaking about sci-hub. The title felt a bit like police advised students to distrust science.
Science website sounds off to me for speaking about sci-hub. The title felt a bit like police advised students to distrust science.
No, I think your confusion is completely reasonable. It was a garbage article.
When we get hit by an asteroid and we have nothing to do about it people will finally understand that perhaps we should waste less time getting in the way of science.
> The City of London Police, which is the national lead for fraud [...]
It's a sad state of affairs when 'national lead' is this incompetent.
It's a sad state of affairs when 'national lead' is this incompetent.
No specific details on how it could be dangerous.
Either it's some zero day, or a malicious site mirror, or ads.
It's probably ads.
Either it's some zero day, or a malicious site mirror, or ads.
It's probably ads.
Knowledge is very dangerous in itself ;)
Do we have any evidence people, much less students, adhere to these warnings?
This made me slightly emotional and remember Aaron Swartz.
Just a heads up that there is a Telegram bot @scihubot that you definitely should not use.
FUD
scihub is blocked on my connection, see https://imgur.com/a/fesNpFK ...
For scihub in particular, you can use their Telegram bot (@scihubot): ask for a title/DOI, get the PDF returned.
Use booksc.org
Was this article made by a machine learning algorithm? It created a false narrative with false characters. Published by the BBC, nonetheless?
It's a rephrased press release from the police. A lot of news is just rephrased press releases.
The BBC puts unverified claims in quotes, and they are liberally sprinkled through this article. They've also given it to the family and education correspondent instead of the technology correspondent, which I think implies an unusually high level of skepticism for an establishment press release.
There’s a phenomenon, the name of which escapes me, which describes this situation.
Essentially, whenever people see the media report an issue that they have a deep knowledge of, they see that the media get it wrong/lie/have no idea what they are talking about.
Yet when the media talk about other subjects, people still trust them...
Essentially, whenever people see the media report an issue that they have a deep knowledge of, they see that the media get it wrong/lie/have no idea what they are talking about.
Yet when the media talk about other subjects, people still trust them...
Gell-Mann Amnesia.
“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know."
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/65213-briefly-stated-the-ge...
“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know."
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/65213-briefly-stated-the-ge...
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