Ask HN: Where to go after Brexit
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I personally think that the UK leaving the EU would make it more democratic and, in the long run, a better place to live than many EU countries which are governed by un-elected individuals.
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I personally think that the UK leaving the EU would make it more democratic and, in the long run, a better place to live than many EU countries which are governed by un-elected individuals.
I'm in a similar situation and I am thinking about the same thing.
Once Brexit happens I think there is a high chance that a lot of software development jobs will be lost, specially in the City of London.
This will depress wages and mixed with a lower sterling will make for a bad time for developers.
But even if this does not happen, xenophobia will most likely rise as it will be given political backing by whoever comes into power. It could become nasty for foreigners.
I hear good things about Scandinavia and Germany.
Once Brexit happens I think there is a high chance that a lot of software development jobs will be lost, specially in the City of London.
This will depress wages and mixed with a lower sterling will make for a bad time for developers.
But even if this does not happen, xenophobia will most likely rise as it will be given political backing by whoever comes into power. It could become nasty for foreigners.
I hear good things about Scandinavia and Germany.
Get permament resident status :-)
I don't think UK will exit EU, it sounds like their government is trying to get a better hand in negotiations that's all. UK leaving EU would destroy post-WWII order.
Having that said - it's right of their society to vote whatever they feel is right, permament resident status is the answer.
I don't think UK will exit EU, it sounds like their government is trying to get a better hand in negotiations that's all. UK leaving EU would destroy post-WWII order.
Having that said - it's right of their society to vote whatever they feel is right, permament resident status is the answer.
I'd say it is past negotiations. The referendum probably puts them actually now in the weaker position. If people opt for the EU, Brussels could easily ignore any claims for further privileges, after all the EU has been officially backed by the British people.
And if people opt for leaving, well, then the decision is clear anyhow.
As for the vote next week, I have no idea what to expect. At the last debate Cameron-vs-Farage, I did have the feeling that Cameron was slightly nervous - but that was just a subjective impression.
And if people opt for leaving, well, then the decision is clear anyhow.
As for the vote next week, I have no idea what to expect. At the last debate Cameron-vs-Farage, I did have the feeling that Cameron was slightly nervous - but that was just a subjective impression.
I did not think about UK's position post referendum if they voted to stay. Indeed it looks like UK government is pushed a bit against the wall.
Well, either way obtaining a permament resident would be a wise thing to do :-)
Well, either way obtaining a permament resident would be a wise thing to do :-)
Do you mean a residence card? That does not seem to be applicable to EU citizens (at least at the moment).
You can obtain this status and the only condition is how long did you stay in the country.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/apply-for-a-docum...
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/apply-for-a-docum...
I could get UK citizenship if I ask for it, and I would have done that if it was the other way around (my country leaving the EU, instead of the UK).
The way I see it, the main argument to leave the EU is to reduce immigration, it would be pointless if we stay in anyway :)
The way I see it, the main argument to leave the EU is to reduce immigration, it would be pointless if we stay in anyway :)
As far as I can tell, the main argument is about democracy vs un-elected individuals.
I would rather not go into that, but I've heard this several times and I think it misrepresents the situation:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36429482
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36429482
Unfortunately, the BBC is extremely biased. Far worse than it used to be. Probably best to read from other inversely biased sources too :)
Well, who knows how will it work if UK leaves EU - what if they get an agreement similar to Switzerland :-)
Tallinn is small, but seems exciting.
Estonians are on the forefront of trying digital services and e-government.
Estonians are on the forefront of trying digital services and e-government.
It depends on what you need from cities. I'm traveling with family over Europe while working and all I need is good WiFi.
I can recommend Barcelona and Prague :)
I can recommend Barcelona and Prague :)
If we have a Brexit, Berlin will quickly become the startup capital city in Europe.
Finance might be forced to partly leave London as well.
What are the reasons you'd be considering this?
Any particular cities you'd consider?
Any particular cities you'd consider?
Well, if the UK leaves the EU my rights would be affected. Also I expect a few years of bad economy after the decision where it will be easy to blame other European countries for every problem. So the future doesn't look very promising if we stay.
I was considering Berlin, Amsterdam and Madrid (we are originally from there, so it's the obvious place to come back to, even if the situation there is less than ideal).
I was considering Berlin, Amsterdam and Madrid (we are originally from there, so it's the obvious place to come back to, even if the situation there is less than ideal).
I admit, I am not familiar with all the details, but I as far as I know an exit should not affect the residency of foreigners already living there.
As for the economy, I'd wait and evaluate how things are going.
Have you considered Vienna as well?
As for the economy, I'd wait and evaluate how things are going.
Have you considered Vienna as well?
Yes, I've never been but I've heard that it's a beautiful city.
How is the job situation there? I don't know many software companies in Vienna.
How is the job situation there? I don't know many software companies in Vienna.
I am afraid I cant comment on the job situation. Its probably not exactly the European counterpart of Silicon Valley :) but they nonetheless have a fair share of IT companies. Maybe check out http://www.karriere.at/jobs/edv-it-organisation?states%5B0%5...
As for the city, yes it's quite a nice one, good infrastructure, lots of cultural heritage, nice environment and so on .... for the past six years it ranked #1 in Mercer's list of quality of living survey. Though to be fair, last time I was there I do admit I had the impression some things changed and it seems it has become less safe recently. So that might be something to consider as well.
As for the city, yes it's quite a nice one, good infrastructure, lots of cultural heritage, nice environment and so on .... for the past six years it ranked #1 in Mercer's list of quality of living survey. Though to be fair, last time I was there I do admit I had the impression some things changed and it seems it has become less safe recently. So that might be something to consider as well.
You'll be definitely be allowed to stay in the UK, but the economy will definitely tank...
Which other European cities are good destinations for software engineers these days?