Google and ProPublica team up to build a national hate crime database(techcrunch.com)
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Google and ProPublica team up to build a national hate crime database
https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/18/google-documenting-hate-news-index-propublica/
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Lefty here too (So left I wrote Bernie in, hoping Trump would win just to stick it to the DNC) - and not sad I did, because the Rep. party is literally in a suicide spiral off Trump tower...
I'm totally totally appalled..by Saturday's events..and part of me rejoices at Cloudflare/Google/Godaddy fighting Nazi's... but a part of me - the techy/privacy part is screaming MY GOD WHAT Are we Letting them do in the name of 'Anti-Hate' -- giving everyone a label, or making them fit in a box is a scary precipice to go over.
I hope and pray we can find better ways to combat the hate, I think the leaders at google are well meaning in this, but this screams to me that something bigger and deadlier could be unleashed as a result. We need to be REALLY careful how we start self-policing the internet.
I'm totally totally appalled..by Saturday's events..and part of me rejoices at Cloudflare/Google/Godaddy fighting Nazi's... but a part of me - the techy/privacy part is screaming MY GOD WHAT Are we Letting them do in the name of 'Anti-Hate' -- giving everyone a label, or making them fit in a box is a scary precipice to go over.
I hope and pray we can find better ways to combat the hate, I think the leaders at google are well meaning in this, but this screams to me that something bigger and deadlier could be unleashed as a result. We need to be REALLY careful how we start self-policing the internet.
One thing a co-worker brought up recently is how terrifyingly "mob" like the online sphere has become. From twitter to facebook to etc. Media is now reactionary to what people want, and they can tell what people want by "trending topics", which are essentially the wills of a mob.
I could expand but I think this gets the gist of my fears out there.
I could expand but I think this gets the gist of my fears out there.
Check the actual project, it has nothing to do with what you're talking about. It is just an index of news articles talking about hate crime.
> This page lists media reports, collected by Google News, about hate crimes and bias incidents.
> This page lists media reports, collected by Google News, about hate crimes and bias incidents.
Could start out that way, and that wouldn't be all that bad, my mind kind of runs to the worst case scenario sometimes--but bring AI into the mix and they could find out their own things from all the data, and pivot to something totally different.
it's interesting that one minor incident (that's gotten endless press coverage) has given one side enough momentum to push through all kinds of unfavorable initiatives using the hysteria around the event as their smokescreen.
this is all part of the big agenda
this is all part of the big agenda
I'm not sure why people can't just dislike (or hate) whomever they want to? Isn't that the whole point of Freedom of Association?
Everyone dislikes certain individuals, or groups of people. Sometimes it's for petty, wrongheaded reasons. Sometimes it's for well-thought out, valid reasons. Sometimes it's ideological, sometimes it's pragmatic. Sometimes it changes over time, sometimes it doesn't.
I don't understand the emotional / viewpoint policing people seem to want to engage in lately.
Everyone dislikes certain individuals, or groups of people. Sometimes it's for petty, wrongheaded reasons. Sometimes it's for well-thought out, valid reasons. Sometimes it's ideological, sometimes it's pragmatic. Sometimes it changes over time, sometimes it doesn't.
I don't understand the emotional / viewpoint policing people seem to want to engage in lately.
I just watched a video -- where a housewife was calling for Jews to go back to the gas chambers, or well go to the gas chambers for the first time--because she doesn't believe it ever happened in the first place.. She wants her children to have a chance at a good life, and can't as long as Jews are alive...
How are 14 million jews a threat to millions of white people? It baffles my brain their logic or lack thereof...
so the answer is NO you can't HATE when your words of HATE include words about killing, and committing acts of Genocide and LOTS of white supremacists talk of genocide. Because we just ignore it--and well, remember how that worked out for Germany.. but but it can't happen in America right? Ask that of the Germans who were alive in 1920 if they could foresee 1941..
How are 14 million jews a threat to millions of white people? It baffles my brain their logic or lack thereof...
so the answer is NO you can't HATE when your words of HATE include words about killing, and committing acts of Genocide and LOTS of white supremacists talk of genocide. Because we just ignore it--and well, remember how that worked out for Germany.. but but it can't happen in America right? Ask that of the Germans who were alive in 1920 if they could foresee 1941..
There are already laws against terroristic threats, as well as criminal conspiracy.
There's no law/rule/policy against organizing a party centered on racism. Nothing else. Just workers and whites first. (And we happen to precisely know who happens to be properly white.)
And lo and behold, the workers part will become irrelevant.
And non party member people will start to have a lower life expectancy after this Party gaining power.
And it's not okay. Rationally there are limits on speech. And yes, it's borderline impossible to foresee what should have been allowed yet got banned, but it's still a better (more rational) option than letting very short sighted (so ignorant racists) gain power.
Sure, maybe censorship will have a Streisand effect, maybe there needa to be an "index" of banned content with a maximally precise explanation and refutation of it.
And lo and behold, the workers part will become irrelevant.
And non party member people will start to have a lower life expectancy after this Party gaining power.
And it's not okay. Rationally there are limits on speech. And yes, it's borderline impossible to foresee what should have been allowed yet got banned, but it's still a better (more rational) option than letting very short sighted (so ignorant racists) gain power.
Sure, maybe censorship will have a Streisand effect, maybe there needa to be an "index" of banned content with a maximally precise explanation and refutation of it.
They can hate. It's called freedom. As long as they don't act on it and commit a crime, they are allowed to hate as much as they want.
> Ask that of the Germans who were alive in 1920 if they could foresee 1941..
Too bad germany had censorship.
Atheists hate on christians. Christians hate on atheists. Democrats hate on trump and republicans and vice versa. There are blacks who hate on whites. Whites who hate on asians. Asians who hate on whomever they hate.
Being able to hate and love is an essential part of being a free human being.
> but but it can't happen in America right?
Dozens of native tribes were wiped out worse than jews in ww2. Many native peoples were completely wipe out.
It's not about what can or can't happen in america. It's about freedom and individual rights.
> Ask that of the Germans who were alive in 1920 if they could foresee 1941..
Yeah... A significant portion of germans were attacked/marginalized/silenced. Millions of germans became disillusioned. That's how you get Nazi Germany.
Silencing and marginalizing americans and taking away our freedoms is a recipe for disaster.
Not only is that going to make these people more extreme and more angry, it's going to attract millions of moderate americans who don't want nothing to do with extremism.
> Ask that of the Germans who were alive in 1920 if they could foresee 1941..
Too bad germany had censorship.
Atheists hate on christians. Christians hate on atheists. Democrats hate on trump and republicans and vice versa. There are blacks who hate on whites. Whites who hate on asians. Asians who hate on whomever they hate.
Being able to hate and love is an essential part of being a free human being.
> but but it can't happen in America right?
Dozens of native tribes were wiped out worse than jews in ww2. Many native peoples were completely wipe out.
It's not about what can or can't happen in america. It's about freedom and individual rights.
> Ask that of the Germans who were alive in 1920 if they could foresee 1941..
Yeah... A significant portion of germans were attacked/marginalized/silenced. Millions of germans became disillusioned. That's how you get Nazi Germany.
Silencing and marginalizing americans and taking away our freedoms is a recipe for disaster.
Not only is that going to make these people more extreme and more angry, it's going to attract millions of moderate americans who don't want nothing to do with extremism.
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Yep. The problem with this sort of thing is the definition of "hate crime" will stretch and grow to cover a whole lot of people to whom it shouldn't apply.
Also, they're inevitably going to make mistakes. How are they going to compensate the victims?
Also, they're inevitably going to make mistakes. How are they going to compensate the victims?
Excellent point. The labeling is sure to be flawed and studies using it as a data source will treat it as absolute truth/substitution for thought.
> This page lists media reports, collected by Google News, about hate crimes and bias incidents.
This project is just a list of news reports talking about hate crime.
Take a look at the actual project: https://projects.propublica.org/hate-news-index/
This project is just a list of news reports talking about hate crime.
Take a look at the actual project: https://projects.propublica.org/hate-news-index/
Google engaged in blacklisting people for something as vague as "hate crime" (when not crimes) is as Orwellian as it gets. Then again, as long as Antifa, BLM, KKK, Neo-Nazi, etc. persons convicted of real crimes are fairly and equally represented, perhaps we'll see real movement to shut this nonsense down.
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I detest the surge in (at least visible) racism as of late, but as a liberal this terrifies me. The idea that an organization (particularly one that is driven by corporate interests and has serious problems with diversity) is able and willing to impose its will like this against others is concerning.
This is one of those hard things, because I don't fear what it currently is, or what the intentions are, but I do fear what it can become. Definitions of things change over time, and what is considered a "hate crime" can and will change. This could easily become a tool for the enforcement of political correctness (and I don't mean that the way the alt-right likes to define it. I mean the traditional definition, that being politically correct means you agree with those in power).
And what of somebody falsely accused or convicted? We know the police can be crooked and that courts can make mistakes. Are we to ruin someone's life and/or reputation because of that? Must they beg and sacrifice at the altar of Google to clear their name?
This is one of those hard things, because I don't fear what it currently is, or what the intentions are, but I do fear what it can become. Definitions of things change over time, and what is considered a "hate crime" can and will change. This could easily become a tool for the enforcement of political correctness (and I don't mean that the way the alt-right likes to define it. I mean the traditional definition, that being politically correct means you agree with those in power).
And what of somebody falsely accused or convicted? We know the police can be crooked and that courts can make mistakes. Are we to ruin someone's life and/or reputation because of that? Must they beg and sacrifice at the altar of Google to clear their name?
Check the actual project, it has nothing to do with what you're talking. It is just an index of news articles talking about hate crime.
> This page lists media reports, collected by Google News, about hate crimes and bias incidents.
> This page lists media reports, collected by Google News, about hate crimes and bias incidents.
I did read the article. Perhaps you missed this part:
> “In this case, it helps reporters by digging out locations, names and other useful data from the 3,000-plus news reports
> “In this case, it helps reporters by digging out locations, names and other useful data from the 3,000-plus news reports
And? Again, it only lists media articles about hate crimes and bias.
It's fine to disagree, but I just don't understand what you aren't understanding about his concerns.
He doesn't like the idea of this list being made. Is that not enough?
He doesn't like the idea of this list being made. Is that not enough?
I think it's that "the idea that an organization is able and willing to impose its will like this against others" is a total misrepresentation of what the project is.
Not even pretending anymore, Google?
> ProPublica was the brainchild of billionaires and major Democratic donors Herbert and Marion Sandler, the former chief executives of the Golden West Financial Corporation, who have committed $10 million a year to the project
> ProPublica was the brainchild of billionaires and major Democratic donors Herbert and Marion Sandler, the former chief executives of the Golden West Financial Corporation, who have committed $10 million a year to the project
I encourage you to look at the full list of partners, this isn't "google and one liberal rag" it's "google and a ton of major journalism outlets and universities", and it's worth evaluating through that lens.
I am cautiously optimistic that they might be able to accomplish something good here and create a more data-driven analysis of something that's a hot-button, highly emotionally charged topic right now.
I am cautiously optimistic that they might be able to accomplish something good here and create a more data-driven analysis of something that's a hot-button, highly emotionally charged topic right now.
Yes, perfectly fine. Jordan Peterson banned for being "far right" (he is nothing like that, for decades warned about the rise of fascism and nazism). And far left groups are allowed to perform violent acts and recruit people.
All these liberal groups are waking up dark and powerful forces that have been dormant. They are delusional thinking it's something they will be able to control. Same applies with republicans feeding the Tea Party and all that. When anger rises it doesn't stop until there's a lot of blood.
All these liberal groups are waking up dark and powerful forces that have been dormant. They are delusional thinking it's something they will be able to control. Same applies with republicans feeding the Tea Party and all that. When anger rises it doesn't stop until there's a lot of blood.
"google and a ton of major journalism outlets and universities"
Can you point to the known conservative group in that mix?
Can you point to the known conservative group in that mix?
The group reported at [1] is The ProPublica-led coalition includes The Google News Lab, Univision News, the New York Times, WNYC, BuzzFeed News, First Draft, Meedan, New America Media, The Root, Latino USA, The Advocate, 100 Days in Appalachia and Ushahidi. The coalition is also working with civil-rights groups such as the Southern Poverty Law Center, and schools such as the University of Miami School of Communications.
1) https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/08/19/propublica-working-...
1) https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/08/19/propublica-working-...
Not to mention being backed by Open Society. George Soros' hand is everywhere you look.
The irony behind Soros' involvement is he was a (proud) Nazi collaborator who confiscated Jewish property. Just sweatens the message's delivery, doesn't it?
Source?
Must be shock to the very "liberal" sentiments here, so I will provide it thru a liberal source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xPmKmfULrGI
I will repeat it for the umpteenth time: George Soros is funding Antifa, BLM, neo-Nazis, the refugee crisis in EU, and is a known Nazi collaborator who has been declared a threat by his country Hungary and Israel. He is not an idol.
I will repeat it for the umpteenth time: George Soros is funding Antifa, BLM, neo-Nazis, the refugee crisis in EU, and is a known Nazi collaborator who has been declared a threat by his country Hungary and Israel. He is not an idol.
"George Soros is funding Antifa, BLM, neo-Nazis, the refugee crisis in EU".
Jesus Christ. 13 hours and this conspiracy drivel is still there in full black. I guess HN's really jumped the shark.
Jesus Christ. 13 hours and this conspiracy drivel is still there in full black. I guess HN's really jumped the shark.
Please, he was 14 years old child at that time...
That is not a reasonable defense. He literally defends it and declares he is proud of it. Do you not understand that?
Shame on you for pickung on a 14 years old scared child trying to survive and escape the concentration camps just to forward your agenda
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yes, he's actively trying to change the country
Google hasn't hidden its liberal, pro-Hillary ties at least since her Presidential campaign. Can anyone say Eric "he who will not be named" Schmidt without getting suicided these days? Time will tell who answers for this.
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Like police shootings and acts of force, hate crimes are growing in number and visibility but are inconsistently reported. An independent database seems like a great idea. I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that this is going to be some Google-run thoughtcrime outfit. It's news organizations and universities sharing data, Google is on algo support.
Full list of partners here:
https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/hatecrimes
Full list of partners here:
https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/hatecrimes
For those who didn't read the article, the project doesn't try to define hate crimes, just surface media reports about hate crimes:
> This page lists media reports, collected by Google News, about hate crimes and bias incidents.
> This page lists media reports, collected by Google News, about hate crimes and bias incidents.
This a hundred times over. There seems to be a knee-jerk reaction to this being a form of censorship. I say this because that was my first impression before reading the article.
1984: Government's Attempt to Control The Mind and Bodies of Its Citizens
The novel Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell is an American classic which explores the human mind when it comes to power, corruption, control, and the ultimate utopian society. Orwell indirectly proposes that power given to the government will ultimately become corrupt and they will attempt to force all to conform to their one set standard. He also sets forth the idea that the corrupted government will attempt to destroy any and all mental and physical opposition to their beliefs, thus eliminating any opportunity for achieving an utopian society.
I guess Mr Orwell got it wrong, it won't be the government. Google has already shown it's belief in "Diversity", but only how they define it, as experienced by the engineer they just booted.
Google, FaceBook, Apple, Twitter, and Microsoft will be controlling all the information. Don't be surprised if you see only what they want you to see.
People worry about the NSA invading your private life, the NSA drools about the data these Techno Giants already have. And of course they put on this glorified act of denial when the government requests information.
Yet people worry about who will police what these government entities are doing, so who is going to police these Techno Giants? Remember, these companies are in for the money and all that that comes with it.
Zuckerberg wants everyone to have a Basic Income, who is going to pay for that? But it is one way to buy votes. It sounds like just another welfare program.
Welfare is destroying this country, as it is today. It destroys incentive and when that happens, the mind becomes worthless.
I tend to go along with Thomas Sowell. https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/thomas-sowe...
https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/instead-of-...
The ideology of the Techno Giants, "Your Life Belongs to US"
The novel Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell is an American classic which explores the human mind when it comes to power, corruption, control, and the ultimate utopian society. Orwell indirectly proposes that power given to the government will ultimately become corrupt and they will attempt to force all to conform to their one set standard. He also sets forth the idea that the corrupted government will attempt to destroy any and all mental and physical opposition to their beliefs, thus eliminating any opportunity for achieving an utopian society.
I guess Mr Orwell got it wrong, it won't be the government. Google has already shown it's belief in "Diversity", but only how they define it, as experienced by the engineer they just booted.
Google, FaceBook, Apple, Twitter, and Microsoft will be controlling all the information. Don't be surprised if you see only what they want you to see.
People worry about the NSA invading your private life, the NSA drools about the data these Techno Giants already have. And of course they put on this glorified act of denial when the government requests information.
Yet people worry about who will police what these government entities are doing, so who is going to police these Techno Giants? Remember, these companies are in for the money and all that that comes with it.
Zuckerberg wants everyone to have a Basic Income, who is going to pay for that? But it is one way to buy votes. It sounds like just another welfare program.
Welfare is destroying this country, as it is today. It destroys incentive and when that happens, the mind becomes worthless.
I tend to go along with Thomas Sowell. https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/thomas-sowe...
https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/instead-of-...
The ideology of the Techno Giants, "Your Life Belongs to US"
I guess they will start choking off more web activity from their political enemies.
Don't worry, I'm sure James Damore won't show up on this list.
What's with this dystopian news I'm reading more everyday?
"This page lists media reports, collected by Google News, about hate crimes and bias incidents." No doubt containing personal names and being combined with Google's algorithms. What could possibly go wrong?
This is great, southern poverty law center already does this well though
I think reasonable people can disagree on how well the SPLC does this considering their including of Maajid Nawaz among their list of anti-Muslim extremists.
Edit: To clarify, I understand that you were referencing their hate crimes database and that I brought up their list of people they label as extremists, and while the two things aren't the same, my point was to highlight that not everyone sees the SPLC as infallible.
Edit: To clarify, I understand that you were referencing their hate crimes database and that I brought up their list of people they label as extremists, and while the two things aren't the same, my point was to highlight that not everyone sees the SPLC as infallible.
Yeah, they're a partner.
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This is excellent news!
Sure, if you like living in a nanny-police state. A lot more than the 1st amendment is under threat for the grossly staged violence perpetrated upon American society in recent days.
Ref.: http://stevepieczenik.com/charlottesville-staged-confrontati...
Ref.: http://stevepieczenik.com/charlottesville-staged-confrontati...
Oh, look. Someone believes the latest act of right-wing violence was really a false-flag operation by leftists coordinating with the CIA, and that Pizzagate was actually a thing.
What crazy kooky outside-the-box reporting that is, which means it must be true I guess.
What crazy kooky outside-the-box reporting that is, which means it must be true I guess.
Pizzagate is a distraction manufactured by the the mainstream media. Hardly surprising someone with your false and dismissive opinion would bring it up. How is this obvious? Because the media focused on one pizza joint when there are extensive documented cases of pedophilia and child sex trafficking taking place. Heard of Haiti and the Clinton Foundation? Get informed.
#3 14 points/26m Google and ProPublica team up to build a national hate crime database
#6 105 points/1h YouTube admits 'wrong call' over deletion of Syrian war crime videos
Yeah, perfectly explainable. Like every other time.
#6 105 points/1h YouTube admits 'wrong call' over deletion of Syrian war crime videos
Yeah, perfectly explainable. Like every other time.
If you are talking about post position on the Front Page, then it's stated somewhere (the FAQ?) that HN mods and admins can 'insert' a story anywhere on the front page if they feel it needs more attention than it's getting.
Personally, I'm not a fan of that (feels a bit /. under DICE for my liking) - but I'm just a freeloader here, like the rest of us.
Personally, I'm not a fan of that (feels a bit /. under DICE for my liking) - but I'm just a freeloader here, like the rest of us.
In the Google Memo debacle they kept saying they did not intervene in favor of Google. That it was just the flagging of users what drove the stories out of the home page. A story with 1600 points could only be reached via Algolia or comments section.
I'm not sure I understand. You can't compare points/time between stories for many reasons—some of them relevant to the story (like flags, penalties) and some of them not (not all votes are counted).
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> Antifa, BLM, KKK, Neo-Nazi
2 of these things are not like the others. 2 of these things just don't belong.
edit: yay downvotes from people who can't mention nazis without whataboutism.
2 of these things are not like the others. 2 of these things just don't belong.
edit: yay downvotes from people who can't mention nazis without whataboutism.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15049765 and marked it off-topic.
In the videos I saw, Antifa and BLM were stalking (and eventually hitting) people in Charlottesville with bats.
In Berkeley, they beat several people unconscious, and that was just over a speaker who they didn't like.
That's crossing some serious lines, whether you find it justifiable or not.
In Berkeley, they beat several people unconscious, and that was just over a speaker who they didn't like.
That's crossing some serious lines, whether you find it justifiable or not.
> In the videos I saw
These don't seem to be very easy to find. Can you link some examples? (Honestly asking).
These don't seem to be very easy to find. Can you link some examples? (Honestly asking).
It's hard finding a video without slanted commentary, but this should give you an impression of what I mean.
https://streamable.com/svxcr
https://streamable.com/svxcr
> In the videos I saw, Antifa and BLM were stalking (and eventually hitting) people in Charlottesville with bats.
Well, which one was it? That's a massive difference in identity.
Well, which one was it? That's a massive difference in identity.
don't worry, he just got blacklisted by google for that
I'm terrified at seeing the positive "great idea!" and "good job google" comments here. This type of database, or collection of persons can (and most likely will) be wielded in an unfair and unjust manner. This isn't Google's job to handle at all.
HN readers, sure Google is on your side today but that might not be the case tomorrow. Any sane person can see why this is an awful idea.
HN readers, sure Google is on your side today but that might not be the case tomorrow. Any sane person can see why this is an awful idea.
Sounds like positive news because it's totally crazy to see somebody—specially if not even German—waving a Nazi flag like it's something to be proud of.
However, I wonder if this promotes hate towards the haters (probably a dumb thought)..? Who gets to decide who the bad guys are and what a hate crime is..?
However, I wonder if this promotes hate towards the haters (probably a dumb thought)..? Who gets to decide who the bad guys are and what a hate crime is..?
Of course. I'd even agree up to a point the extremist intolerants should not be allowed (be it nazis, fascists, maoist, communists, or religious extremists). But it looks very wrong to put this in the hands of a mega-corporation with political interests. They are a virtual monopoly on search and videos.
I wonder what would the EFF would say about this.
We've been on this road before. Under the pretense of terrorism threats individual rights were eroded on a massive scale. And Google was part of it, either actively or with willful ignorance (e.g. not encrypting internal links so NSA could easily tap).
Who are they to decide what is a hate crime? In Canada it's a hate crime to refuse to use on of a dozen gender pronouns for "non-binary" people.
I wonder what would the EFF would say about this.
We've been on this road before. Under the pretense of terrorism threats individual rights were eroded on a massive scale. And Google was part of it, either actively or with willful ignorance (e.g. not encrypting internal links so NSA could easily tap).
Who are they to decide what is a hate crime? In Canada it's a hate crime to refuse to use on of a dozen gender pronouns for "non-binary" people.
I guess it's a hate crime if it's considered a hate crime where it happens..?
The more I think about it though, the more it seems wrong.
There must be local laws that regulate hate crimes, it seems wrong that a corporation gets with someone and starts shaming people online instead of letting local authorities deal with it.
And, if local authorities don't deal with it it's either legal—and so they should be able to do whatever they want no matter how stupid it is—or the problem is with the police, but a database doesn't solve that.
The more I think about it though, the more it seems wrong.
There must be local laws that regulate hate crimes, it seems wrong that a corporation gets with someone and starts shaming people online instead of letting local authorities deal with it.
And, if local authorities don't deal with it it's either legal—and so they should be able to do whatever they want no matter how stupid it is—or the problem is with the police, but a database doesn't solve that.
> In Canada it's a hate crime to refuse to use on of a dozen gender pronouns for "non-binary" people
No it's not. Listen to a lawyer or actual expert instead of a psych professor with a chip on his shoulder.
No it's not. Listen to a lawyer or actual expert instead of a psych professor with a chip on his shoulder.
Canadian Department of Justice website. http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/pl/identity-identite/fa...
> With very few exceptions, grounds of discrimination are not defined in legislation but are left to courts, tribunals, and commissions to interpret and explain, based on their detailed experience with particular cases.
Yeah, vague wording would surely work out if it's a hate crime or not. This is ridiculous. Laws should be clear. The majority of Canadian judges are quite left-liberals.
> With very few exceptions, grounds of discrimination are not defined in legislation but are left to courts, tribunals, and commissions to interpret and explain, based on their detailed experience with particular cases.
Yeah, vague wording would surely work out if it's a hate crime or not. This is ridiculous. Laws should be clear. The majority of Canadian judges are quite left-liberals.
> The majority of Canadian judges are quite left-liberals.
Good.
Good.
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w/r/t "hate towards the haters" (assuming by "haters" here you mean people literally waving a nazi flag, or more colloquially, "nazis"), you might find this essay on the paradox of tolerence interesting: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1...
This article is absurd, I'm not sure why people keep spamming it here.
It's just a self-righteous rallying cry for more divisiveness.
It's just a self-righteous rallying cry for more divisiveness.
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There has been a serious effort to label everyone that disagrees with Israel's growing apartheid policies toward the Palestinian people as antisemitic hate criminals. I worry that this sort of corporate vigilanteism is going to make it effectively illegal to disagree with the narratives sponsored by the wealthiest members of our society.