A new licensing program to support the news industry(blog.google)
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A new licensing program to support the news industry
https://www.blog.google/outreach-initiatives/google-news-initiative/licensing-program-support-news-industry-/
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Nah, it's because the internet lets you find hundreds or thousands of news sources very easily, and the lack of willingness for people to pay for subscriptions/ease of setting up an ad supported news site means there's no reason to pay money for any of them.
The traditional media only surived because they had little competition and there's a decent barrier to entry when it came to publishing information/news. Now they're competing with every other media outlet in the world, plus anyone with a blog or YouTube channel. Add this to ways the news is discussed online (people can just paraphrase details from stories and discuss them on social media), and the value of a news story has just completely crashed.
Does that mean Google and Facebook haven't done any damage? No probably not. The fact they control so much of the advertising market has had some effects, and some might say things like requiring paywalled stories to be viewable without a subscription in search has had an effect too.
But the fundamental issue isn't that. It's that the internet and technology has fundamentally broken the business model these outlets used to rely on, and there's basically nothing they can do to change that.
The traditional media only surived because they had little competition and there's a decent barrier to entry when it came to publishing information/news. Now they're competing with every other media outlet in the world, plus anyone with a blog or YouTube channel. Add this to ways the news is discussed online (people can just paraphrase details from stories and discuss them on social media), and the value of a news story has just completely crashed.
Does that mean Google and Facebook haven't done any damage? No probably not. The fact they control so much of the advertising market has had some effects, and some might say things like requiring paywalled stories to be viewable without a subscription in search has had an effect too.
But the fundamental issue isn't that. It's that the internet and technology has fundamentally broken the business model these outlets used to rely on, and there's basically nothing they can do to change that.
tl;dr it isn't truly google, aggregators force news organizations into competition and the lack of willingness of people to pay
you cannot solve google unless you want to outlaw any site aggregating results from across the web. that is what is really clobbering the news industry. they now have to compete with each other when before at most they competed across one city and at most one country for people's attention and money.
I do find it bizarre that on this site that people complain about Google and ads when most brag about blocking them and still complaining about how intrusive some advertising solutions are. Then throw in the crowd that is always complaining about how much something cost or how some services should be free or reduced and then you might be getting close to the other half of the problem.
People are fucking cheap. If they don't have to pay they will more than likely go that route and quite a few will accept a sub standard experience. Part of that acceptance is from truly desiring to save money but some if from "sticking it to them" in reference to the company they perceive they are short changing.
you cannot solve google unless you want to outlaw any site aggregating results from across the web. that is what is really clobbering the news industry. they now have to compete with each other when before at most they competed across one city and at most one country for people's attention and money.
I do find it bizarre that on this site that people complain about Google and ads when most brag about blocking them and still complaining about how intrusive some advertising solutions are. Then throw in the crowd that is always complaining about how much something cost or how some services should be free or reduced and then you might be getting close to the other half of the problem.
People are fucking cheap. If they don't have to pay they will more than likely go that route and quite a few will accept a sub standard experience. Part of that acceptance is from truly desiring to save money but some if from "sticking it to them" in reference to the company they perceive they are short changing.
Actions like these start making a lot of sense if you start viewing Google and their friends as a bunch of hi-tech mafioso. Newspapers are essentially forced to pay protection money and then publicly kiss the ring, declare their allegiance and pray that the deal is not altered further.
Google doesn't compete with papers but link papers to readers.
GOOG, FB, and AMZN extract all value out of the web, the music industry, retail, IT/cloud, soon e-learning, and basically everything, with content creators getting nothing. In music, we've already seen the effect of no monetary feedback for too many years now; save for very few counterexamples, we haven't seen any innovation since the 1990's; instead we have raised a generation of YouTube addicts. That is the problem to solve sooner rather than later; it doesn't matter how and why we got here, and it's not a question of whether Google or someone else did anything wrong. It's about how we can go on in a civil society with large public investments into eg IP networking, law enforcement, etc. to only line the pockets of very very few.
What’s wrong with YouTube? I frequently find far better content there than anywhere in the traditional media. I think we’re really lucky to have YouTube - it’s one little ray of hope.
YouTube is the biggest site for music copyright infringement. Not even the pirate could've dreamed of such a massive music distribution network that doesn't remunerate artists.
YouTube is also a monopoly that wields its power with impunity. Content creators can be in business one day and out of it the next. Large corporations can claim nearly anything theirs and Google won't do anything about it while smaller content creators can see their IP infringed upon by the former and have no recourse.
YouTube is also a monopoly that wields its power with impunity. Content creators can be in business one day and out of it the next. Large corporations can claim nearly anything theirs and Google won't do anything about it while smaller content creators can see their IP infringed upon by the former and have no recourse.
> that doesn't remunerate artists
I think if you use copyright music YouTube detects that’s automatically and gives them the ad revenue? That’s what the Vevo agreement was.
I think if you use copyright music YouTube detects that’s automatically and gives them the ad revenue? That’s what the Vevo agreement was.
It remunerates labels and copyright trolls way more than it does artists. It's also been known to incorrectly identify sources of copyright infringement and unjustly take away ad revenue. I long stopped following it, but I imagine there's a subreddit called /r/youtubedrama (or the like) that documents that quite well.
News papers business is selling ads, that’s Google’s Business too. Google has an advantage over individual publications in that it can track user behaviour across multiple sites. So news outlets have made deals with google to act as brokers for their ad space giving google more power and the ability to effectively set ad prices. Google regularly throws news organisations pitiful sums of ‘innovation’ money for PR purposes whilst creaming multiple times that amount off their revenue streams. It’s going to take a brave publication to question the value of Google’s algorithm and bring ad sales in-house but I think that’s the only way out of this situation.
A lot of outlets still do in-house ad sales—especially those that run print and standalone digital issues still.
Unfortunately, while there is still some business there—it's nothing compared to what it used to be. Most companies just go the online ads route now.
I would love to see the kind of push back you mention... but it would be a David v. Goliath task at this stage, except David forgot his sling at home.
Unfortunately, while there is still some business there—it's nothing compared to what it used to be. Most companies just go the online ads route now.
I would love to see the kind of push back you mention... but it would be a David v. Goliath task at this stage, except David forgot his sling at home.
I know this is still a very rough idea, but I truly believe the future of content monetization is having some kind of decentralized or even federated payment system and digital wallet that's provider-agnostic and allows people to do "micro-donations", whether it's through upvotes, claps, time spent on the page, or a combination of all of those and more.
If this depends on Google, or Paypal, or Apple, and you can only donate to a site if you have PayPal, or if you have Google Pay, or whatever, it will never reach its true potential.
It should be kind of like email, where everyone has email. Once everyone has an "email-like" digital wallet, and all of these websites accept "email-like money" through micro-donations, I think content monetization would work much better.
If this depends on Google, or Paypal, or Apple, and you can only donate to a site if you have PayPal, or if you have Google Pay, or whatever, it will never reach its true potential.
It should be kind of like email, where everyone has email. Once everyone has an "email-like" digital wallet, and all of these websites accept "email-like money" through micro-donations, I think content monetization would work much better.
This sounds a lot like https://flattr.com/
Basic Attention Token.
>To start, we have signed partnerships with local and national publications in Germany, Australia and Brazil
Australia was/is gearing up to force Google to pay. Was anything similar brewing in Germany or Brazil?
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/making-facebook-and-...
Australia was/is gearing up to force Google to pay. Was anything similar brewing in Germany or Brazil?
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/making-facebook-and-...
Yes, Leistungsschutzrecht (ancillary copyright for press publishers).
They tried to force Google (and others) to pay, but instead of paying, Google asked "give us permission to use your content or we'll have to delist you", and many obliged, while other aggregators suffered.
I believe in Spain Google News just outright shut down.
They tried to force Google (and others) to pay, but instead of paying, Google asked "give us permission to use your content or we'll have to delist you", and many obliged, while other aggregators suffered.
I believe in Spain Google News just outright shut down.
It seems Google is feeling a hot breath in the back of the neck since news and publishing orgs were lobbying for draconian interpretations/implementations of the Copyright Directive (which probably would be judicially questionable, still)
Just to get a sense for the crowd: am I the only one who doesn't care much about the news industry?
Keeping with what's new in society is important insofar as having an informed population is vital for the correct functioning of a democracy. But the "news industry" is 95% gargabe and contributes zero to getting people informed. I firmly believe that if the news industry disappeared tomorrow, we wouldn't be much worse off as a society.
That google is a bad player should be dealt with on its own. We shouldn't be using the "news industry" as a justification for breaking google up.
EDIT: In fact I had never thought about it, but even as far as keeping people informed, google is better than the "news industry". At least with google I can find links which I use as starting points for reasearching something.
Keeping with what's new in society is important insofar as having an informed population is vital for the correct functioning of a democracy. But the "news industry" is 95% gargabe and contributes zero to getting people informed. I firmly believe that if the news industry disappeared tomorrow, we wouldn't be much worse off as a society.
That google is a bad player should be dealt with on its own. We shouldn't be using the "news industry" as a justification for breaking google up.
EDIT: In fact I had never thought about it, but even as far as keeping people informed, google is better than the "news industry". At least with google I can find links which I use as starting points for reasearching something.
If much of todays news disappeared I suspect we would be better off as a society. Most of it passes more for propaganda than reporting of noteworthy things that happened. Good news, journalism, we need but it is in ever decreasing supply with the modern clickbait news cycle.
I'm afraid that even given how bad the news industry is now, if it disappeared I fear something worse would fill the vacuum.
State run broadcasting has always been mandatory around here but at least when there's a number of competitors - even when I don't like any of them particularly much - I can still shop around to see more angles that one or more of them don't want me to see.
State run broadcasting has always been mandatory around here but at least when there's a number of competitors - even when I don't like any of them particularly much - I can still shop around to see more angles that one or more of them don't want me to see.
When state is also licensing the competitors, as in broadcast tv at least in my country, you don't get much else than an oliglopoly tbh...
You're still only seeing the angles the govt permits and sanctions.
You're still only seeing the angles the govt permits and sanctions.
I'm inclined to agree, the primary focus is on numbers and engagement rather than strictly bound truthful reporting. How about websites just serve .txt files with a couple links to donate and publish facts/information.
I don't need a 5GB JS-infested "website" to access what amounts to a few KB of the actual information I was looking for. This is something hackernews gets right as far as community engagement goes.
Truthfully, you could probably get by just reading wikipedia and utilize the sources. Most news doesn't have have a baring on my life and if it does it'll work its way to me.
I suspect those who are happier in life forget all of this and focus on themselves, no news, no machines picking out what content you'll see or read.
I don't need a 5GB JS-infested "website" to access what amounts to a few KB of the actual information I was looking for. This is something hackernews gets right as far as community engagement goes.
Truthfully, you could probably get by just reading wikipedia and utilize the sources. Most news doesn't have have a baring on my life and if it does it'll work its way to me.
I suspect those who are happier in life forget all of this and focus on themselves, no news, no machines picking out what content you'll see or read.
You mean like this? http://lite.cnn.com/en or this? https://text.npr.org
News Industry == a branch of the Entertainment Industry, so no. Journalism has been subverted by Activism, so we're in a bad state of things.
I would love to see a new model take form, one that restores actual journalism. A good business model to sustain is the hard part.
I would love to see a new model take form, one that restores actual journalism. A good business model to sustain is the hard part.
It is really interesting how news has shifted to a "cost-per-click" model, and how that has hindered journalism. I'm interested to see how things play out in the next decade, since clickbait style news seems to be the big seller these days.
> Keeping with what's new in society is important insofar as having an informed population is vital for the correct functioning of a democracy.
I would say this -- the correct functioning of democracy -- is among the most important things there are.
So we surely need journalism ('the news industry') to improve, not just go away.
I would say this -- the correct functioning of democracy -- is among the most important things there are.
So we surely need journalism ('the news industry') to improve, not just go away.
Many said this about the music industry. And much of it went away.
I don’t think music did very well as a result.
I think everyone forgets that the majority of activity in any industry is likely to be absolute garbage and in need of reform.
This does not mean the best next step is to destroy that system wholesale.
I don’t think music did very well as a result.
I think everyone forgets that the majority of activity in any industry is likely to be absolute garbage and in need of reform.
This does not mean the best next step is to destroy that system wholesale.
Music is doing great. At no other time in human history has there been more music being created and so easily available.
The music industry is not doing great and this is fine. You would say it's definitely terrible if you are a musician clinging to the dying once-prevailing industry models that did not adapt to the Internet. That's your fault (as a musician), though.
> the majority of activity in any industry is likely to be absolute garbage and in need of reform.
> This does not mean the best next step is to destroy that system wholesale.
Kill it and start over. Why is this not a good thing?
The music industry is not doing great and this is fine. You would say it's definitely terrible if you are a musician clinging to the dying once-prevailing industry models that did not adapt to the Internet. That's your fault (as a musician), though.
> the majority of activity in any industry is likely to be absolute garbage and in need of reform.
> This does not mean the best next step is to destroy that system wholesale.
Kill it and start over. Why is this not a good thing?
Many news agencies have very good reporting.
Not all are run by Robert Murdoch.
I would say Google is a very bad actor replacement. A lot of us ( I think) are critical enough to know when news through Google seems to be politically motivated.
But many people don't...
Not all are run by Robert Murdoch.
I would say Google is a very bad actor replacement. A lot of us ( I think) are critical enough to know when news through Google seems to be politically motivated.
But many people don't...
When it comes to making the news, the undeniable truth is that someone is paying to get it made. If consumers don't pay for the news, others will.
Even the news on public broadcasting channels is paid for: through public funding and - ultimately - taxpayer money.
It used to be that you would pay to get a newspaper, or you would have a yearly subscription to the newspaper. Add in advertising and newspapers were able to break even. Reach in the analogue world was limited to a local city, region or country. Scaling simply didn't make much sense. Local news was a matter of ensuring that the paper would still be around next year to report on local affairs. And local communities had a stake in ensuring that their paper stayed operational.
Then there was the Web. Originally conceived as a way of exchanging research information, the foundational idea was to remove all bars and give open access to whatever is published. The early Web pretty much thrived on this idea up until the dotcom boom when e-commerce started to explode.
News outlets enthusiastically joined the fray, publishing articles and content for free.
But as internet connectivity became mainstream and penetrated all strata of society, an ever increasing influx of visitors also meant rampant costs and expenses to cater to those ballooning audiences. This happened rapidly.
By the time newspapers - or any publisher - started to add paywalls to their content, it was already too late. Others seized the moment, and bigger fish had successfully consolidated the market around their offering, buying and leveraging news outlets and advertising as links in larger chains that drive consumers towards the convenience of online consumerism.
You are right, saving the current players that constitute the news industry isn't a justification for breaking up conglomerates that influence the current trend of news making. But creating a more level playing field for new players to entering sustainable and durable news reporting with modern business models, is. While at the same time promoting why consumers should pay for the news they read on line, and making it clear why that's important.
Even the news on public broadcasting channels is paid for: through public funding and - ultimately - taxpayer money.
It used to be that you would pay to get a newspaper, or you would have a yearly subscription to the newspaper. Add in advertising and newspapers were able to break even. Reach in the analogue world was limited to a local city, region or country. Scaling simply didn't make much sense. Local news was a matter of ensuring that the paper would still be around next year to report on local affairs. And local communities had a stake in ensuring that their paper stayed operational.
Then there was the Web. Originally conceived as a way of exchanging research information, the foundational idea was to remove all bars and give open access to whatever is published. The early Web pretty much thrived on this idea up until the dotcom boom when e-commerce started to explode.
News outlets enthusiastically joined the fray, publishing articles and content for free.
But as internet connectivity became mainstream and penetrated all strata of society, an ever increasing influx of visitors also meant rampant costs and expenses to cater to those ballooning audiences. This happened rapidly.
By the time newspapers - or any publisher - started to add paywalls to their content, it was already too late. Others seized the moment, and bigger fish had successfully consolidated the market around their offering, buying and leveraging news outlets and advertising as links in larger chains that drive consumers towards the convenience of online consumerism.
You are right, saving the current players that constitute the news industry isn't a justification for breaking up conglomerates that influence the current trend of news making. But creating a more level playing field for new players to entering sustainable and durable news reporting with modern business models, is. While at the same time promoting why consumers should pay for the news they read on line, and making it clear why that's important.
I care about NEWS, factual reporting on current event
We no longer have a news industry, we have a propaganda industry filled with political commenters and activists not journalists (that is both left and right)
We no longer have a news industry, we have a propaganda industry filled with political commenters and activists not journalists (that is both left and right)
I'd argue that in actual fact we have an advertising industry. The rest follows from that.
We do still have news agencies like Reuters, I would keep these.
facts don't matter, stories sell
I would phrase it like but I agree with the conclusion.
> Facts matter but stories sell.
> Facts matter but stories sell.
No one forced all news organizations to dump their in house advertising for easily ad blocked versions.
They all had perfectly good reasons to not have to deal with the headache of losing money.
But that would require keeping the ad sales team they had on board and making a similiar product online.
But everyone got scared and lazy and saw a one quarter jump by dumping a bunch of staff.
They all had perfectly good reasons to not have to deal with the headache of losing money.
But that would require keeping the ad sales team they had on board and making a similiar product online.
But everyone got scared and lazy and saw a one quarter jump by dumping a bunch of staff.
> No one forced all news organizations to dump their in house advertising for easily blocked ad versions
Sure they did. The market 100% absolutely drove papers to transition to digital ads. If everyone in an industry makes the same change, how can you argue that said change wasn’t demanded by the market? To argue that they got lazy completely ignores the economic forces that have motivated print publications over the last 30 years. Scared? Sure. Lazy? Spend some time in a newsroom and see for yourself how desperate they are.
Newspapers used to have two primary sources of income: subscriptions and advertising. Subscriptions brought in pretty stable income while advertising brought in higher margins with increased variability. The two were also deeply linked: advertising rates were set largely on the amount of reach that a paper had through its distribution. Papers with higher distribution could command higher advertising fees.
Then the internet came along and hollowed out the subscription base for publications around the country. Income streams for papers decreased and became less stable at the same time. As subscriptions dropped, so did the paper’s ability to advertise. To supplement income shortfalls and try to figure out how to exists in the digital age, papers started adapting their business models for the internet. They saw decades of declining print advertising revenues, driven largely by a shift towards cheap and targeted online advertising.
Sure they did. The market 100% absolutely drove papers to transition to digital ads. If everyone in an industry makes the same change, how can you argue that said change wasn’t demanded by the market? To argue that they got lazy completely ignores the economic forces that have motivated print publications over the last 30 years. Scared? Sure. Lazy? Spend some time in a newsroom and see for yourself how desperate they are.
Newspapers used to have two primary sources of income: subscriptions and advertising. Subscriptions brought in pretty stable income while advertising brought in higher margins with increased variability. The two were also deeply linked: advertising rates were set largely on the amount of reach that a paper had through its distribution. Papers with higher distribution could command higher advertising fees.
Then the internet came along and hollowed out the subscription base for publications around the country. Income streams for papers decreased and became less stable at the same time. As subscriptions dropped, so did the paper’s ability to advertise. To supplement income shortfalls and try to figure out how to exists in the digital age, papers started adapting their business models for the internet. They saw decades of declining print advertising revenues, driven largely by a shift towards cheap and targeted online advertising.
The other “half” was classified ads though. Craigslist killed that and they had no answer to that. In retrospect maybe as an industry they could have launched something similar with a better UI and given it out for free and as they gained traction as premium features... but there’s no going back.
There is already a web monetization api in the work - https://webmonetization.org/
Reminds me of the ill-fated "Beanz" of 2001...
Did the prices for ads not dramatically drop over time?
To me, it feels like it was just market forces driving those decisions. They could have kept the ad sales team and fewer ads, but that doesn't mean that would have worked out.
To me, it feels like it was just market forces driving those decisions. They could have kept the ad sales team and fewer ads, but that doesn't mean that would have worked out.
Don't think so. Ads should be a good dollar per thousand views. Maybe 3 dollar for videos. Well known newspaper may be able to get more given their reputation and how many ads they plaster per page.
I think it's the economy of scale that's difficult to achieve. An employee has to bring in thousands of dollar just to pay for own salary, that's millions of views per month. The costs and revenues don't add up to sustain a large company and it has to spam (low quality) content to survive.
I think it's the economy of scale that's difficult to achieve. An employee has to bring in thousands of dollar just to pay for own salary, that's millions of views per month. The costs and revenues don't add up to sustain a large company and it has to spam (low quality) content to survive.
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The arrogance of some people online is astounding.
If google actually creates a good system for paying news media through e.g. microtransactions or group subscriptions which is ONLY there to improve the internet and doesn't benefit google (Get more traffic, get more user data, ...) then this is a good thing. It would be like the google/apple teaming up on the BT proximity tracking apis in android and iOS.
If google gets any cut in such a system, or even gets a slight benefit, or even knows who has what subscriptions and uses that information - then I'm completely against it. But if they spend their own money developing platforms that they then have no control over and no benefit from - good! Otherwise - bad!
If google gets any cut in such a system, or even gets a slight benefit, or even knows who has what subscriptions and uses that information - then I'm completely against it. But if they spend their own money developing platforms that they then have no control over and no benefit from - good! Otherwise - bad!
That might be a hard sell to their shareholders, spending a lot while gaining nothing, maybe even harming existing products.
Besides, if they foot the bill for finding out how such a micropayment system that actually works would look like, I guess it might still be a net win for everyone, because that would drastically lower the bar of entrance for competitors. Figuring that out would probably require very expensive iterations.
Besides, if they foot the bill for finding out how such a micropayment system that actually works would look like, I guess it might still be a net win for everyone, because that would drastically lower the bar of entrance for competitors. Figuring that out would probably require very expensive iterations.
> If google actually creates a good system for paying news media through e.g. microtransactions...
They had something close to this with Google Contributor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Contributor
You add a few dollars to your online account, nominate which participating sites you want it to work with, and you would get an ad-free / paywall-free experience on those sites. The sites would determine the price per page - some only charged 1c, while some smaller blogs charged 5c. Some large Australian newspapers signed up, and apparently Mashable and The Onion were part of it at launch.
Ultimately every website I followed pulled out of the program. It seems that advertising revenue earns more for newspapers than anyone is prepared to pay for news. I never even used up the $5 I put into my Google Contributor account.
They had something close to this with Google Contributor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Contributor
You add a few dollars to your online account, nominate which participating sites you want it to work with, and you would get an ad-free / paywall-free experience on those sites. The sites would determine the price per page - some only charged 1c, while some smaller blogs charged 5c. Some large Australian newspapers signed up, and apparently Mashable and The Onion were part of it at launch.
Ultimately every website I followed pulled out of the program. It seems that advertising revenue earns more for newspapers than anyone is prepared to pay for news. I never even used up the $5 I put into my Google Contributor account.
Isn't that the idea of Flattr?
Pretty much, except I don't think Flattr allowed content creators to set their own price & put stuff behind a paywall. Flattr is more of a donation / Patreon model. Contributor instead set an upfront price on accessing each article.
(I could be wrong, it's years since I last used Flattr. I'm surprised but glad to see they're still around.)
(I could be wrong, it's years since I last used Flattr. I'm surprised but glad to see they're still around.)
The Contributor program lets people decide what "news" to support. Now Google is going to pick which favored news outlets it is going to financially support.
Google is corporation, of course it's for their benefit.
Google is paying news organizations to stop chastising them for hurting their revenues. While they're at it, also coup some good PR.
Does a reader want free* paywalled news? You have to use google. Does a news org want a pie of the Google free* news budget? You have to partner with Google.
Solidifies even more Google position as an immovable object. One less reason not to use Google Search/News. One less reason for not relying on Google for revenues.
One less reason for everyone to question Google market position and do anything about it.
Google is paying news organizations to stop chastising them for hurting their revenues. While they're at it, also coup some good PR.
Does a reader want free* paywalled news? You have to use google. Does a news org want a pie of the Google free* news budget? You have to partner with Google.
Solidifies even more Google position as an immovable object. One less reason not to use Google Search/News. One less reason for not relying on Google for revenues.
One less reason for everyone to question Google market position and do anything about it.
> Google is corporation, of course it's for their benefit.
I'm thinking a diverse web that isn't controlled by another big actor might be enough of a long term benefit to google.
Some times I get the feeling that these huge actors don't necessarily silo everything because they necessarily think it's a good idea, but because if they don't someone else will and that's a bad thing.
I'm thinking a diverse web that isn't controlled by another big actor might be enough of a long term benefit to google.
Some times I get the feeling that these huge actors don't necessarily silo everything because they necessarily think it's a good idea, but because if they don't someone else will and that's a bad thing.
If there's one lesson to be drawn from the decade of Google just past, it's that they do not see a diverse web uncontrolled by large actors as beneficial to them. They want the web controlled by a big actor which is them.
"We have to silo things so no one else will" is an excuse for bad behavior, and a risible one at that. If Google wanted a web that couldn't be siloed, they have the money and brains to build that. They choose to build silos instead.
"We have to silo things so no one else will" is an excuse for bad behavior, and a risible one at that. If Google wanted a web that couldn't be siloed, they have the money and brains to build that. They choose to build silos instead.
At first I thought this was about some central licensing body regulating and awarding credentials to journalists, just like is done in professional endeavours like medicine, engineering, and law. I was internally debating the merits vs. the dangers (self-regulated or government controlled? Do we want official state-approved press?).
Then I realized that it was purely about a distributor musing about paying content providers in the hopes they can influence it, at least ostensibly for "quality".
I see nothing wrong with the idea. Money is our way of measuring value, and information certainly has value and Google has been making mint extracting the excess value from information for a long time, to the point that little actually leaks through to the end consumer.
I thinks this move would increase the quality of news, but the consumer needs to understand that the product they are consuming is influenced by the media through which they consume it. Whoever pays the piper calls the tune, as they say.
Then I realized that it was purely about a distributor musing about paying content providers in the hopes they can influence it, at least ostensibly for "quality".
I see nothing wrong with the idea. Money is our way of measuring value, and information certainly has value and Google has been making mint extracting the excess value from information for a long time, to the point that little actually leaks through to the end consumer.
I thinks this move would increase the quality of news, but the consumer needs to understand that the product they are consuming is influenced by the media through which they consume it. Whoever pays the piper calls the tune, as they say.
I cautiously applaud Google's reparation payments (that's how I'm reading these initiatives), but I'm very wary of the fact that Google is calling this next stage a licensing.
They didn't really go into details. Are we going to see "Google Licensed" news agencies now? That does not sit well with me.
They didn't really go into details. Are we going to see "Google Licensed" news agencies now? That does not sit well with me.
Anyone remember Google Contributor? https://contributor.google.com/v/beta
Eons ago when Google started aggregating news they greatly damaged the news industry. This is because you could start seeing the bigger story and the bias in the individual reporting. This was damaging to Fox News obviously.
It got worse unfortunately, the journalists were caught faking scenes. https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/04/media/abc-news-stage-live-s...
Then the fake news was discovered: https://i.imgur.com/plF3WDu.jpg
Same newspaper, same story, contradictory reporting. Obviously this was done for different places.
People started discovering that news is heavily fake. Why buy something when they are outright lying to you? This is the reason the news industry is dying.
It got worse unfortunately, the journalists were caught faking scenes. https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/04/media/abc-news-stage-live-s...
Then the fake news was discovered: https://i.imgur.com/plF3WDu.jpg
Same newspaper, same story, contradictory reporting. Obviously this was done for different places.
People started discovering that news is heavily fake. Why buy something when they are outright lying to you? This is the reason the news industry is dying.
> Then the fake news was discovered: https://i.imgur.com/plF3WDu.jpg
> Same newspaper, same story, contradictory reporting. Obviously this was done for different places.
I believe you are misinformed. A couple searches on the headlines tells a different story.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wsj-different-trump-headli...
> Yes, the images represent two different editions, published at different times, and the headlines represent the news at the time of publication — before and after his speech.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wall-street-jou...
> While the two covers are both authentic, they were published at different times on that day to reflect evolving developments.
> Same newspaper, same story, contradictory reporting. Obviously this was done for different places.
I believe you are misinformed. A couple searches on the headlines tells a different story.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wsj-different-trump-headli...
> Yes, the images represent two different editions, published at different times, and the headlines represent the news at the time of publication — before and after his speech.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wall-street-jou...
> While the two covers are both authentic, they were published at different times on that day to reflect evolving developments.
Google News has degraded so much in the last few years that it's essentially useless. The combination of their updated material design (or whatever they're calling it) and AMP was a one-two punch. Click through to related articles is always wrong -- none of the articles are related, and there are many dozens more related that don't show. It's just a dead service.
Yeah, and what's challenging to the "news industry" is the monopolistic situation on the web and the utter lack of action on the part of US antitrust authorities and their allies. I find it very worrying that Der Spiegel, once the most frequently visited ad-supported news sites in the "old" German web, sees no other hope than partnering with Google. Sorry if I'm being too harsh, but the problem can't be solved by Google, when the problem is Google. Der Spiegel once more showing they completely outsold their journalistic punch and demonstrating basic media incompetence (which is the very last thing you want a credible publisher to do).