Statement by UEFA, FA, Premier League, RFEF, LaLiga, FIGC and Lega Serie A(uefa.com)
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Statement by UEFA, FA, Premier League, RFEF, LaLiga, FIGC and Lega Serie A
https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediaservices/mediareleases/news/0268-12121411400e-7897186e699a-1000--statement-by-uefa-english-fa-rfef-figc-premier-league-laliga-le/
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> will remain united in our efforts to stop this cynical project, a project that is founded on the self-interest of a few clubs at a time when society needs solidarity more than ever.
Oh come on, the audacity, amazing. You can replace this with the pointing spiderman meme.
Oh come on, the audacity, amazing. You can replace this with the pointing spiderman meme.
I think you're completely off the mark here. Currently to qualify for CL, you either have to win the CL or have to do well in domestic league (finish in top 4,3,2 or 1 depending on the league). So in a way, you've to earn the right to play in CL. With ESL, it essentially becomes a North American sports competition, where same set of teams compete every year.
The NFL cartel is dead serious about breaking up the UEFA (and its federations) local monopolies.
I think it is brilliant to introduce more competition into the mix, but i also fear this will have the outcome to create 2 parallel tournaments and thus, take money out of the merit based system... into the franchise system.
I fear the goal of this initiative is to derisk sport ownership by private funds. This is a serious play at business oriented takeover of sports
I think it is brilliant to introduce more competition into the mix, but i also fear this will have the outcome to create 2 parallel tournaments and thus, take money out of the merit based system... into the franchise system.
I fear the goal of this initiative is to derisk sport ownership by private funds. This is a serious play at business oriented takeover of sports
The franchise system is horrible for sports. There is no benefit and punishment for teams, other than winning. This might work in small competitions like NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. In European football it will only create parallel tournaments with teams participating without merit (Arsenal, for ex, hasn't qualified for the last 4 Champion Leagues if I recall correctly). It makes no sense other than making more money. It will destroy smaller teams that already receive almost nothing in most leagues (Spain, for ex). If they do it I will stop watching altogether, and I beet I'm not alone.
It also doesn’t strike me as a sustainable model. Part of what makes European football so special is the rarity of the fixtures.
While I don’t have hope that UEFA or FIFA will successfully kill off the Super League, I have optimism that the players will. By the looks of it, it’s going to be up to them to unionize and prevent this from happening.
While I don’t have hope that UEFA or FIFA will successfully kill off the Super League, I have optimism that the players will. By the looks of it, it’s going to be up to them to unionize and prevent this from happening.
NFL cartel? What's that? NFL as in American football (not soccer)?
Yes.
The NFL is only 1 example. The MLS, and MLB operate on a cartel basis.
In baseball, american football, soccer, basketball, one can never start a neighborhood team and make it to the pros, no matter how good the team it s.
Only the franchises are allowed in, and once in , you are in as long as you pay your dues.
In the rest of the world, soccer is strictly merit based. You only stay pro as long as you can cut it.
The NFL is only 1 example. The MLS, and MLB operate on a cartel basis.
In baseball, american football, soccer, basketball, one can never start a neighborhood team and make it to the pros, no matter how good the team it s.
Only the franchises are allowed in, and once in , you are in as long as you pay your dues.
In the rest of the world, soccer is strictly merit based. You only stay pro as long as you can cut it.
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding but isn't this the exact situation that the clubs are proposing?
correct.
Its a weird situation.
People want the UEFA / FIFA monopoly broken... but competition coming from....USA cartel holders?
This is what makes it so interesting, too
NOTE: its important to note that the "proposal" is led by clubs that are directly held by american sports ownership. ManU is owned by Glazer, who also owns an NFL franchise.
That's why there is a reference to the NFL.
Glazer & co are effectively trying to de-risk the business by proposing a league where results don't impact the bottom line
Its a weird situation.
People want the UEFA / FIFA monopoly broken... but competition coming from....USA cartel holders?
This is what makes it so interesting, too
NOTE: its important to note that the "proposal" is led by clubs that are directly held by american sports ownership. ManU is owned by Glazer, who also owns an NFL franchise.
That's why there is a reference to the NFL.
Glazer & co are effectively trying to de-risk the business by proposing a league where results don't impact the bottom line
I suspect most football fans are indifferent to the concept of Uefa/Fifa - they just want them to be less corrupt.
What really piqued my interest was your phrase "I think it is brilliant to introduce more competition into the mix" and I wondered if you could expand on that.
What really piqued my interest was your phrase "I think it is brilliant to introduce more competition into the mix" and I wondered if you could expand on that.
FIFA / UEFA has a monopoly on international soccer. They sustain the monopoly leveraging micronations that effectively gives them a majority in all of the monopoly's decisions. When Germany has the same amount of voting power as Andorra, you have a problem.
Of course, this majority is not secured by good policy, instead it is secured by corruption, payouts to micronations.
I think another league -with different ownership and stakeholders- could make things quite interesting because it would take money out of the system.
However, i'd like for fans or players to own the alternative system, not clubs owned by PE firms and their buddies.
Of course, this majority is not secured by good policy, instead it is secured by corruption, payouts to micronations.
I think another league -with different ownership and stakeholders- could make things quite interesting because it would take money out of the system.
However, i'd like for fans or players to own the alternative system, not clubs owned by PE firms and their buddies.
I think it is a shame that the 50+1 rule (which states that at least 50% of the team's voting rights must be held by club members) is only instituted in the German League. I don't think any fans actually want this super league to happen.
Yet it led to the least competitve major league. 17 teams feeding Bayern, not really fun
lol @ FIFA trying to position themselves as the moral high ground
Please, in the name of all that is holy, lets keep football news off HN.
If the breakaway league was proposing to run on bitcoin with players contracts based on Etherium and club ownership distributed as NFT smartbeans, then maybe it would be justified, but I come here to be free of the inanity of the world of football.
Regards
KingLennon, Liverpool, UK
Regards
KingLennon, Liverpool, UK
I hate football - and I'm male and from the UK. However I think this is HN-worthy simply because it is a drama that feels "more" than simply a sports issue.
As others have said - non-tech news regularly appears on HN and people come here for the intellectual commenting.
As others have said - non-tech news regularly appears on HN and people come here for the intellectual commenting.
I'm entirely against submissions along the lines of "Real Madrid win unprecedented 14th Champions League" but this proposal has some interesting facets that I think some HNers might find intellectually interesting.
There's a lot of broadly applicable questions here about the extent to which governments should interfere in the free market for the common good.
There's a lot of broadly applicable questions here about the extent to which governments should interfere in the free market for the common good.
Strongly agree.
Maybe okay to discuss the Super Bowl or World Cup final or some similar major sports event. Maybe.
But instead, this particular submission appears to simply highlight cynical maneuvering and posturing by billionaires and corrupt special interests. On all sides.
Edit: someone flagged it. Good. I didn't, but I'm glad to see that others also feel strongly against this submission.
Maybe okay to discuss the Super Bowl or World Cup final or some similar major sports event. Maybe.
But instead, this particular submission appears to simply highlight cynical maneuvering and posturing by billionaires and corrupt special interests. On all sides.
Edit: someone flagged it. Good. I didn't, but I'm glad to see that others also feel strongly against this submission.
I have to disagree - the Patriots winning the Superbowl or Brazil winning the World Cup are not events that "gratify one's intellectual curiosity." A tussle between the Premier League and the leading football clubs in England is fascinating for a number of reasons.
People in this country love football and this proposal raises an important question - to what degree should governments intervene when the free market is working against the preferences of the electorate.
People in this country love football and this proposal raises an important question - to what degree should governments intervene when the free market is working against the preferences of the electorate.
Does someone know why this article is flagged ?
Genuinely curious on how it is breaking rules.
Genuinely curious on how it is breaking rules.
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I wouldn't mind a kick in the nuts of the UEFA.
I'll get my popcorn.
I'll get my popcorn.
This is European soccer by the looks of it.
>Grabs popcorn
Mate this is HN. We're A/V club not ball chasers.
HN is super offtopic at times. Political issues are regularly discussed here despite the fact that there was 0 tech in it. At first I too disliked this, then realized, whatever! I have to filter things for myself.
Yeah but we're experts on everything.
What's wrong with liking football, though? This is still interesting either way, sporting or business.
I think this is interesting in a Moneyball / Fivethirtyeight / global ambitions of warring business interests kind of way.
Sheesh forgot many entrepreneu-bros moved to HN from LinkedIn.. will restrict my nerd-oriented comments to devrant.
Stereotypes aside, some of us were/are both.
> I’ve benefitted from football hugely, I’ve made money out of football, I invest money to a football club. I’m not against money in football, but the principles and ethos of fair competition are part of the game so if Leicester win the league they go into the Champions League.
> Manchester United aren’t even in the Champions League. Arsenal aren’t in the Champions League, you watched them earlier today and they were a shambles of a football club at the moment.
> Tottenham aren’t in the Champions League and they want a god-given right to be in there? It’s an absolute joke and the time has come now for an independent regulator to stop these clubs having a power base. Enough is enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP05EDm9EB8