What desktop apps do you use?
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Firefox, Thunderbird (occasionally), Winamp, Gaim, uTorrent, Winzip, Acrobat, Ghostview, VMWare, SSH. Netbeans when I need to do work stuff, and IE for testing browser compatibility. MSPaint for quick graphic edits, and Notepad++ for quick text edits. Occasionally Civ3 or SimCity 2000 when I feel like playing a game, and the DVD burning software that came with the machine. Nothing else.
With web apps increasingly taking over from desktop, which desktops apps do you still use?
As a starter my mac os x dock has Firefox, Mail, Terminal, iCal, TextWrangler, Adium, NicePlayer & Democracy. Everything else has been slowly replaced by web apps. Which app will go online next?
As a starter my mac os x dock has Firefox, Mail, Terminal, iCal, TextWrangler, Adium, NicePlayer & Democracy. Everything else has been slowly replaced by web apps. Which app will go online next?
On Linux:
Firefox, mutt, emacs, xchat, gaim, amarok, skype, gimp, LaTeX, Mathematica, VMWare.
On 'doze: Firefox, Visual Studio, Quicken, OpenOffice.
The only one of these that I'd like to replace with a web app is Quicken. Buxfer looks promising but it's not nearly there yet.
On 'doze: Firefox, Visual Studio, Quicken, OpenOffice.
The only one of these that I'd like to replace with a web app is Quicken. Buxfer looks promising but it's not nearly there yet.
------ Work ------
Eclipse, Visual Studio, Photoshop, WordPad, FireFox
------ Fun -------
Picasa, Excel, Quicken, RAW Shooter Essentials, Bibble.
The only "online application" I use is gmail :) So much for "everything is moving to the Web" hype.
Eclipse, Visual Studio, Photoshop, WordPad, FireFox
------ Fun -------
Picasa, Excel, Quicken, RAW Shooter Essentials, Bibble.
The only "online application" I use is gmail :) So much for "everything is moving to the Web" hype.
Or it could be that other people have moved to the web sooner than you have. ;-) Most of the planning and early design work was done over Google Docs & Spreadsheets, Google Groups, and Skype. (We mostly moved to AIM/phone/going to each others houses when we dropped from 5 founders to 2.) FictionAlley.org has a staff of close to 200, all managed through Yahoo Groups and Yahoo Messenger. Even at work, I often find myself communicating over AIM with my cubemates. And I talk to my boss over AIM a lot more than in person, since he's on the other end of the building.
No kidding. :)
Is this thread about working or talking? Surely it's hard to collaborate with people using desktop applications without an internet connection.
The point I was trying to make is that "death of desktop" is a myth. A new buzzword, invented to get more PR for whoever is NOT developing "desktop software".
While harsh reality is that there are applications and there are web applications. And we all make our money using "desktop" software every day. Moreover, lately it become accepted (and even hot) not to pay for it (apache, mongrel, linux, eclipse, ruby interpreter, PHP, photoshop, firefox, internet explorer, even freakin BIOS). And proclaiming it "dead", while being 110% dependant on it, is at least superficial.
And if you ask people why they build web apps, the answer will not be "because desktop is dead", but probably (if they are being honest) because regular software takes a lot more skill, more learning time, more development time and frankly it's just not as "sexy" these days. Sexy or not, it surely is not dead.
We depend on "desktop" so much that people often pay for it, while "web software" is almost never considered valuable enough to get people to open their wallets for. To me that's pretty pathetic: not to be able to charge for what you've built, and becoming yet another semi-useful parasite sitting on AdSense wellfare.
Is this thread about working or talking? Surely it's hard to collaborate with people using desktop applications without an internet connection.
The point I was trying to make is that "death of desktop" is a myth. A new buzzword, invented to get more PR for whoever is NOT developing "desktop software".
While harsh reality is that there are applications and there are web applications. And we all make our money using "desktop" software every day. Moreover, lately it become accepted (and even hot) not to pay for it (apache, mongrel, linux, eclipse, ruby interpreter, PHP, photoshop, firefox, internet explorer, even freakin BIOS). And proclaiming it "dead", while being 110% dependant on it, is at least superficial.
And if you ask people why they build web apps, the answer will not be "because desktop is dead", but probably (if they are being honest) because regular software takes a lot more skill, more learning time, more development time and frankly it's just not as "sexy" these days. Sexy or not, it surely is not dead.
We depend on "desktop" so much that people often pay for it, while "web software" is almost never considered valuable enough to get people to open their wallets for. To me that's pretty pathetic: not to be able to charge for what you've built, and becoming yet another semi-useful parasite sitting on AdSense wellfare.
'And if you ask people why they build web apps, the answer will not be "because desktop is dead"'
I actually started my career in desktop apps and moved to web "because desktop is dead". My first couple tasks projects at my current employer were Swing apps, IDE plugins, etc.
I was pulled onto web development because we basically can't sell desktop interfaces anymore. I'd prefer to do desktop software, IMHO it's easier (particularly in Java, where the web frameworks suck), but there's just no demand for it. Almost all new development at my employer uses a web front-end. Almost all of our competitors are still using thick-client desktop apps. When we go out to prospective clients and give demos, our web interface is a significant selling point.
'"web software" is almost never considered valuable enough to get people to open their wallets for'
Our customers give us close to a million dollars a pop for our webapps.
I actually started my career in desktop apps and moved to web "because desktop is dead". My first couple tasks projects at my current employer were Swing apps, IDE plugins, etc.
I was pulled onto web development because we basically can't sell desktop interfaces anymore. I'd prefer to do desktop software, IMHO it's easier (particularly in Java, where the web frameworks suck), but there's just no demand for it. Almost all new development at my employer uses a web front-end. Almost all of our competitors are still using thick-client desktop apps. When we go out to prospective clients and give demos, our web interface is a significant selling point.
'"web software" is almost never considered valuable enough to get people to open their wallets for'
Our customers give us close to a million dollars a pop for our webapps.
Oh, yeah, you're also wrong. The desktop is dead. It, and apparently you, just don't know it yet.
Sure, it'll be years before everything we do happens on the network...but not many years. It's just too damned convenient to have it floating in the cloud, accessible wherever you happen to be and with whatever devices you have handy.
Sure, it'll be years before everything we do happens on the network...but not many years. It's just too damned convenient to have it floating in the cloud, accessible wherever you happen to be and with whatever devices you have handy.
Not quite actually.
Take 37signals app. I can't use it for work related because that would resulted in me storing the confidential work related items under their server. Work also takes much of your time.
Another example would be to store Word docs in Google. One slip-up and your word docs is searchable by Google.
So no, the desktop isn't dead yet.
In fact, I only use websites to read news and forums.
Take 37signals app. I can't use it for work related because that would resulted in me storing the confidential work related items under their server. Work also takes much of your time.
Another example would be to store Word docs in Google. One slip-up and your word docs is searchable by Google.
So no, the desktop isn't dead yet.
In fact, I only use websites to read news and forums.
Sure, you don't know it's dead yet, either. ;-)
Privacy awareness and assurance will come to these services. Most small businesses already outsource email...that's as "confidential" as most businesses get.
I already know dozens of people that use gmail for everything (business and personal). It's not a large gap between that and presentations, spreadsheets, etc.
And, of course, "web" doesn't just mean "running at Google". There are numerous installable products that aren't desktop apps, but keep data within an organization.
"In fact, I only use websites to read news and forums."
This merely exhibits your own bias, not the coming reality. Sure, it'll be years, as I mentioned. But it's definitely coming. The convenience, higher efficiency (both for the provider and the consumer), and faster pace of innovation will win in the end. Someone else mentioned that desktop software is harder and that web apps can be developed by hacks...while that isn't entirely true (the apps we're generally willing to rely on were developed by seriously good developers regardless of whether it's desktop or web-based), it's another reason for web apps to win. More developers equals more apps for more specialized needs. Just like DSLs are the best way to solve many programming problems, custom apps are the best way to solve many software problems...with more developers more custom apps can flourish. And if you have a choice between a poorly fitting desktop app, or an ideally fitting web app designed exactly for your business and industry, you'll choose the web app. Again, I don't know that it's really true--all software is hard, when it comes to making it ready for the masses.
Anyway, denial is a part of the seven stages of grief. For those grieving the death of the desktop, you've probably got a couple of stages to go, and that's alright. ;-)
Privacy awareness and assurance will come to these services. Most small businesses already outsource email...that's as "confidential" as most businesses get.
I already know dozens of people that use gmail for everything (business and personal). It's not a large gap between that and presentations, spreadsheets, etc.
And, of course, "web" doesn't just mean "running at Google". There are numerous installable products that aren't desktop apps, but keep data within an organization.
"In fact, I only use websites to read news and forums."
This merely exhibits your own bias, not the coming reality. Sure, it'll be years, as I mentioned. But it's definitely coming. The convenience, higher efficiency (both for the provider and the consumer), and faster pace of innovation will win in the end. Someone else mentioned that desktop software is harder and that web apps can be developed by hacks...while that isn't entirely true (the apps we're generally willing to rely on were developed by seriously good developers regardless of whether it's desktop or web-based), it's another reason for web apps to win. More developers equals more apps for more specialized needs. Just like DSLs are the best way to solve many programming problems, custom apps are the best way to solve many software problems...with more developers more custom apps can flourish. And if you have a choice between a poorly fitting desktop app, or an ideally fitting web app designed exactly for your business and industry, you'll choose the web app. Again, I don't know that it's really true--all software is hard, when it comes to making it ready for the masses.
Anyway, denial is a part of the seven stages of grief. For those grieving the death of the desktop, you've probably got a couple of stages to go, and that's alright. ;-)
Joe, why do you want "desktop to die" so desperately? I have really tried to get your point, but all I see is a marketing pitch: "pace of innovation... it will be years... higher efficiency..." Come on, this is not a business school restroom. Be specific please.
Reality is that there are always 3 big components to any software: code, data and runtime. You can download/cache any of the 3, in different proportions.
Now define "online app". Is it something that downloads all 3 components? Nope, since runtime is always local (browser/flash/silverlight).
My original point is that it makes alot of sense to push as much code down to customer's computer as possible, distributing the load (because it simply makes sense). The runtime will always sit at consumer's computer, because runtimes are fat, ugly and a paint to install securely.
So... basicaly it all comes to where you want to store your data.
Reality is that there are always 3 big components to any software: code, data and runtime. You can download/cache any of the 3, in different proportions.
Now define "online app". Is it something that downloads all 3 components? Nope, since runtime is always local (browser/flash/silverlight).
My original point is that it makes alot of sense to push as much code down to customer's computer as possible, distributing the load (because it simply makes sense). The runtime will always sit at consumer's computer, because runtimes are fat, ugly and a paint to install securely.
So... basicaly it all comes to where you want to store your data.
Tell us what you really think, tx! Don't hold back on our account.
Look, this discussion is getting silly. I can give you a list of 100 applications that will never go online. And you can give me your list of 100 applications that should be online. And both of us will be absolutely right.
But slogans like "desktop apps are dead" (just like popular "everything will be XML" a few years ago) are plain stupid. The application you spend most of your time in front of is a "desktop app", it's called a browser.
But slogans like "desktop apps are dead" (just like popular "everything will be XML" a few years ago) are plain stupid. The application you spend most of your time in front of is a "desktop app", it's called a browser.
I use emacs, firefox, iterm and itunes.
I sometimes think about getting rid of iterm, but never seem to be able to find an emacs terminal mode that does full ansi support perfectly.
I sometimes think about getting rid of iterm, but never seem to be able to find an emacs terminal mode that does full ansi support perfectly.
The ones I use the most are:
firefox, gaim/pidgin, rdesktop, eclipse, konsole, thunderbird, konqueror (as file manager, not browser), kedit, audacious, squirrel sql
firefox, gaim/pidgin, rdesktop, eclipse, konsole, thunderbird, konqueror (as file manager, not browser), kedit, audacious, squirrel sql
Firefox, TextMate, Terminal, OpenOffice, GIMP, Inkscape, iTunes, iChat, Pro Tools LE
Mail.app [1], iCal, AddressBook, Safari, FF, Skype, iTunes, iChat, iPhoto, Preview, Excel, Word, PPT, Photoshop
[1] You probably just shat a brick, but I like mail on my desktop...
[1] You probably just shat a brick, but I like mail on my desktop...
firefox, filezilla, puTTY, notepad++, nvu, itunes, irfanview, truecrypt, csved, calc (not what you think), excel and... nethack!
gkrellm, gnome-terminal, firefox, gvim, gaim, xchat, thunderbird, xine, mplayer, inkscape, gimp.
Linux with WindowMaker.
Linux with WindowMaker.
safari, firefox, textmate, transmit, photoshop cs3, adium, transmission, netnewswire, itunes, syncrosvn
firefox, opera, safari, emacs, sonata, mpd, ncmpc, openoffice, gimp, inkscape, mirage, frostwire, gftp
gvim, cygwin, firefox, open office, the gimp, visual studio, mysql, sql server express, itunes, aim
BTW, why do you want to know that? :)
To know which web apps need building next! If a lot of people are still using a desktop app when it can be made a web apps you've got to wonder why..
In that case, then how about a web version of emacs.
There already is one. It's called 9ne
http://robrohan.com/projects/9ne/
http://robrohan.com/projects/9ne/
How about a web version of VMWare? Then I could run Firefox, inside of VMWare, inside of Firefox, inside of VMWare, inside of Firefox...
Edit: Oh shit... http://wubuntu.weejewel.net/
Edit: Oh shit... http://wubuntu.weejewel.net/
itunes, eclipse, gtalk, paint.NET, NaviCat, WinSCP, Putty, Windows Task Manager.
emacs, rxvt, firefox, openoffice covers most of it.
I don't think we're being honest here. I use 5-6 different media players alone. Most of you seem to be boning up on your nerd credentials, because I don't see too many mentions of Doom or Quake, or MSFT Office, or Notepad, or IM clients, or Winzip/winrar, etc. The most popular dev environment seems to be Emacs. This tells me that your favorite language is still in diapers. I develop 10x faster in Eclipse than I ever could in Emacs. (I used emacs for a year coding C--it's okay, but its whole 'culture' harkens back to 300 baud modems.)
Some things that seem non-desktop, like Flash, really are in a sense--the connection to the browser and the web is very weak.
Some things that seem non-desktop, like Flash, really are in a sense--the connection to the browser and the web is very weak.