As office returns get postponed, workers say they’d take pay cut to wfh(arstechnica.com)
arstechnica.com
As office returns get postponed, workers say they’d take pay cut to wfh
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/as-apple-postpones-office-return-workers-say-they-value-flexibility-over-money/
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>My location has no bearing on what I'm worth
of course it has. Your location determines your cost of living, and the salary you're going to bargain is a function of that, among other things. When your coworkers are willing to take a pay cut but you are not and remote work expands the supply of labour I'm interested in hearing how you're demanding a pay raise
The notion that you're being 'paid what you're worth' appears to be common among engineers because it has a little bit of special snowflake magic, but in reality you 're worth the lowest amount of money people in your profession are willing to do your job for.
of course it has. Your location determines your cost of living, and the salary you're going to bargain is a function of that, among other things. When your coworkers are willing to take a pay cut but you are not and remote work expands the supply of labour I'm interested in hearing how you're demanding a pay raise
The notion that you're being 'paid what you're worth' appears to be common among engineers because it has a little bit of special snowflake magic, but in reality you 're worth the lowest amount of money people in your profession are willing to do your job for.
> in reality you 're worth the lowest amount of money people in your profession are willing to do your job for.
This violates basic economics. You are worth whatever an employer is willing to pay, not the lowest possible price. Your argument is the same as saying my house is worth the lowest amount for which somebody else would sell a somewhat similar house, which simply ain't so.
This violates basic economics. You are worth whatever an employer is willing to pay, not the lowest possible price. Your argument is the same as saying my house is worth the lowest amount for which somebody else would sell a somewhat similar house, which simply ain't so.
What your employer is willing to pay you is the lowest amount of money for which someone else is willing to do your job. That is actually just a different way of saying the same thing.
>Your argument is the same as saying my house is worth the lowest amount for which somebody else would sell a somewhat similar house, which simply ain't so.
that is exactly what your house is worth. If your neighbours are selling their homes for 300k good luck demanding a million for yours. That is in fact exactly how any market determines a price for a commodity. If everyone starts selling their shares what do you think happens to the price of yours? If you think your neighbors dumping their homes on the market doesn't determine your property value you're in for a big surprise
>Your argument is the same as saying my house is worth the lowest amount for which somebody else would sell a somewhat similar house, which simply ain't so.
that is exactly what your house is worth. If your neighbours are selling their homes for 300k good luck demanding a million for yours. That is in fact exactly how any market determines a price for a commodity. If everyone starts selling their shares what do you think happens to the price of yours? If you think your neighbors dumping their homes on the market doesn't determine your property value you're in for a big surprise
Agree 100%
There are heaps of dysfunctional companies though ;) probably more than there are functional ones
There are heaps of dysfunctional companies though ;) probably more than there are functional ones
Not sure why people would take a pay cut. I just changed jobs to a remote-first company and got a raise.
We need a list of remote first companies. Do we already have it? I might be the minority, but I am not sure I want to go sit in traffic jams for the chance to go sit in a cubicle. Not everyone has great co workers.
This feels like an attempt to normalize wage reduction & reduced benefits in exchange for working from home.
I call BS. No one should accept this.
I call BS. No one should accept this.
Pretty sure that job offers going forward will break out a cost of living bonus so they can have a baseline and then pay extra based upon location. Just wait and see....
No we don’t. Oh, and I need money for AC/heating, water, power and internet.
Pay cuts are unnecessary, the company should be saving money when employees wfh.
If I were pushy, I might even attempt to determine how much they'd be paying for my working on-site—energy and maintenance costs, the rent they pay for each square foot of my workspace, etc—and request that they add that to my paycheck instead, rather than waste it. But I'm willing to settle for working remotely and being paid not one dollar less for it.