Apple Bans the Quran in China(twitter.com)
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Apple Bans the Quran in China
https://twitter.com/ameir/status/1435337658335703040
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I can understand your disbelief. But what do you have to back your assertions (that this is "not true" & "misinformation") that we should believe your claims over that of the developer (who has also posted a screenshot of the email he got from Apple)?
what do you have to back your assertions
The other assertions I made were that 'the Qur'an is sacred to 1/4 of the world' and that 'banning any holy book is PR suicide'. I can't muster enthusiasm to defend those. They seem clear-cut to me.
As I read the original tweet, it sounded like Apple had banned the Qur'an (ie: its contents) from the its store in China. But that is the dev's conjecture. I'm sure Apple banned his/her particular Qur'an app, but there currently are too few details to know why.
> Apple banned his/her particular Qur'an app, but there currently are too few details to know why
He appears to not be a Chinese citizen. Foreigners are banned from engaging in a whole lot of religion-adjacent activities in China, including publishing religious texts. http://www.gov.cn/gongbao/content/2000/content_60501.htm Article 17, item 6.
He appears to not be a Chinese citizen. Foreigners are banned from engaging in a whole lot of religion-adjacent activities in China, including publishing religious texts. http://www.gov.cn/gongbao/content/2000/content_60501.htm Article 17, item 6.
Thanks. That relates to the same point I conceded, but it's still interesting.
Unfortunately I seem to have turned conjecture from someone's tweet into a large thread which was the opposite of what I wanted. We have some developer's speculation and now we're all debating and theorizing about it (which why social media is a $%#* pile of rubbish).
Perhaps next week Apple Developer Relations will get back to this dev with more specifics.
Perhaps next week we'll find same is happening to other people's Qur'an apps.
But at the moment all thousands of us people discussing this tweet on social media are just bumbling around in the dark.
Unfortunately I seem to have turned conjecture from someone's tweet into a large thread which was the opposite of what I wanted. We have some developer's speculation and now we're all debating and theorizing about it (which why social media is a $%#* pile of rubbish).
Perhaps next week Apple Developer Relations will get back to this dev with more specifics.
Perhaps next week we'll find same is happening to other people's Qur'an apps.
But at the moment all thousands of us people discussing this tweet on social media are just bumbling around in the dark.
Selling the Bible online was already prohibited: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/05/world/asia/china-bans-bib...
Thanks! I did not know that. In light of that, the third point in my comment isn't valid.
On a related note, the Uyghur Tribunal has started again. Main website at https://uyghurtribunal.com/ , and a live-stream for September 12th at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFkr3pC1BmI .
China does not really have peaceful options in dealing with Uyghur problem and collapse of US efforts in Afghanistan highlight that you can’t just let situation fester without actions. Every successful counter terrorism operation was implemented with extreme (from modern west perspective) brutality (from Chechnya to Philippine) and all half measures generally fail. There is good chance that in 20-30 years Europe will have to adopt similar methods as extremist population increase among 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants.
What makes you claim that extremist population will increase among 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants?
Good catch. This sounds a lot like race baiting.
Canada is a country of immigrants (to some fairly large degree, anyway), and we are well into 2nd and 3rd generations of immigrants without seeing this problem.
When we do have more extremist issues, it rarely is from this part of the population. A lot of times when peaceful protests get out of hand in Canada, it is because of infiltration from groups like the "Black Bloc," which despite the name, are primarily white and often white supremists. They tend to provoke rival groups like BLM, with a special intent on smearing them, which is seen often enough in the US as well.
We have had, and probably still have some specific incidents associated with known foreign terrorist organizations, but they specifically involve the "old guard" who were not born and raised here.
Canada is a country of immigrants (to some fairly large degree, anyway), and we are well into 2nd and 3rd generations of immigrants without seeing this problem.
When we do have more extremist issues, it rarely is from this part of the population. A lot of times when peaceful protests get out of hand in Canada, it is because of infiltration from groups like the "Black Bloc," which despite the name, are primarily white and often white supremists. They tend to provoke rival groups like BLM, with a special intent on smearing them, which is seen often enough in the US as well.
We have had, and probably still have some specific incidents associated with known foreign terrorist organizations, but they specifically involve the "old guard" who were not born and raised here.
That’s what happened in Western Europe.
Generally countries are doing ok job blocking extremist from immigrating but preventing kids of those immigrants from radicalizing is hard to impossible. Police struggle to penetrate insular immigrant communities and political environment (for now) prevents harsh measures against even known terrorists (case in point - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-guantanamo-khadr-i...)
UK, France and Germany each had more than 1000 citizens fighting for ISIS in Syria and Iraq - most of them are second gen. Most of terrorist in French terrorist attacks on 2015 were citizens of EU and second gen immigrants. I would expect situation to get much worse in the next 20-30 years unless global Islam looses steam and purpose similar to Christianity loosing them earlier in 20th century.
UK, France and Germany each had more than 1000 citizens fighting for ISIS in Syria and Iraq - most of them are second gen. Most of terrorist in French terrorist attacks on 2015 were citizens of EU and second gen immigrants. I would expect situation to get much worse in the next 20-30 years unless global Islam looses steam and purpose similar to Christianity loosing them earlier in 20th century.
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funny thing is Taliban is now friends with China .
I guess their core ideology is merely money, and not religion as they claim to be.
No, that’s just a Western-centric misunderstanding of geopolitics. China promises to not interfere in local politics, unlike the US and their crusade to remake the entire world in their own image.
Ergo in a world of less-than-ideal choices, the one that isn’t trying to destroy your society’s values is a better option. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that.
Ergo in a world of less-than-ideal choices, the one that isn’t trying to destroy your society’s values is a better option. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that.
If Taliban doesn't spend as much energy curbing Afghanistan's opium and meth production as they do women's rights and so many other human rights issues, then it's another way of demonstrating their clinging onto religious conviction is a sham, and it's all really about total control of the population and inevitably, money.
That's an important point indeed. However, right now Taliban needs boatloads of money esp thru channels that cannot be frozen by Western powers. Surely they would amp up the drugs production. Wouldn't be surprised if China gives a tacit support by helping them with logistics to move stuff more efficiently to western markets.
Considering the Taliban were from their inception an alliance of wealthy landlords and mullahs funded by the US to deal with the socialist and secular revolution underway in Afghanistan during the late 70's, it's no surprise.
One of the most impressive PR moves the US succeeded at in the cold war was convincing the world that the Mujahadeen were freedom fighters and not thugs for rich local assholes.
One of the most impressive PR moves the US succeeded at in the cold war was convincing the world that the Mujahadeen were freedom fighters and not thugs for rich local assholes.
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Those that use religion as a justification for violence are not interested in religion, but power. Taliban is no different.
I guess they’ll get to test out their new neural hash scanning tech with the Quran as soon as their delayed rollout is done. Early 2022 maybe?
Think it over: the Qur'an is sacred to 1/4 of the world, banning any holy book is PR suicide, and the Qur'an is legal in the PRC.
The developer of this Qur'an app probably tweeted this tweet in good faith, but that just makes it misinformation instead of disinformation.