Show HN: I built an online programming language(codigo.so)
codigo.so
Show HN: I built an online programming language
https://codigo.so
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Great project. Congratulations.
I am also a pt_BR speaker. To be completely frank, I would say I'm more comfortable programming in English. In the “test” example, for instance, I wouldn't know which alias to use, whether 'verdadeiro' or 'verdade'. But it's pretty cool in English. Kudos
I am also a pt_BR speaker. To be completely frank, I would say I'm more comfortable programming in English. In the “test” example, for instance, I wouldn't know which alias to use, whether 'verdadeiro' or 'verdade'. But it's pretty cool in English. Kudos
I also think having everything in the formal form makes it a little bit jarring, like the sample code in the main page having the keyword "faca" when "faz" would be much more clearer.
Thank you! I really appreciate this :)
The french pseudo-code reminded me of my freshman year in Computer Science degree, so much nostalgia! Completely forgot about all that since then, but I wonder if using your mother tongue to learn programming is truly effective, especially in non-English speaking countries?
Translating programming languages and computer science concepts is IMHO a terrible idea. That creates fragmentation, which makes it very difficult to get access to the broader programming community and provides very little benefits for students understanding. Based on my personal experience, in the French speaking world almost everything is translated, which makes it hard to find online references and creates a lot of friction when you start to be confronted to the English terminology. As an example, "a thread" is a term I can easily search online and that everybody is using, where "un fil d'exécution" is used by absolutely nobody. You basically have to learn everything twice.
Regarding programming languages, one of the first job I had was with WinDev, using the French dialect. It was a horror to deal with it, and makes it especially hard to switch to something else if you get too comfortable with it. Something that people pushing for translation miss is that a programming language isn't an actual language where you have words that you compose. It is a set of operators/keywords to express a logic or to produce an effect. The actual operators/keywords do not matter that much when you're learning: "for", "var", "while", "if" are just keywords that you map in your mind to the actual effect they produce. They could technically be replaced by shapes or emoji without creating too much learning issues (terrible idea, please do not do this). By learning the same English keywords that everybody is using you can at least easily switch between technologies and get access to the wider international community.
Regarding programming languages, one of the first job I had was with WinDev, using the French dialect. It was a horror to deal with it, and makes it especially hard to switch to something else if you get too comfortable with it. Something that people pushing for translation miss is that a programming language isn't an actual language where you have words that you compose. It is a set of operators/keywords to express a logic or to produce an effect. The actual operators/keywords do not matter that much when you're learning: "for", "var", "while", "if" are just keywords that you map in your mind to the actual effect they produce. They could technically be replaced by shapes or emoji without creating too much learning issues (terrible idea, please do not do this). By learning the same English keywords that everybody is using you can at least easily switch between technologies and get access to the wider international community.
:) Glad to hear this!
In teaching, simplification is really important. Take a look at this [1] simple script in Portuguese and tell me if it seems intuitive to you. This is the situation of most of the people trying to learn to code here in Argentina/Latam using very large and professional programming languages. I hope this can help them.
[1] https://codigo.so/editor.pt/fb3e08c2-e929-4379-81fa-c3126bbd...
In teaching, simplification is really important. Take a look at this [1] simple script in Portuguese and tell me if it seems intuitive to you. This is the situation of most of the people trying to learn to code here in Argentina/Latam using very large and professional programming languages. I hope this can help them.
[1] https://codigo.so/editor.pt/fb3e08c2-e929-4379-81fa-c3126bbd...
Sorry, I do not speak Portuguese! However, I could easily find-out what the snippet was doing by simple logic.
I have been teaching programming/data for the past 2 years and you're right, simplification is of utmost importance for students. Actually, when teaching programming with Python, I go with them in the process of translating their logic to English first then it's almost a 1-to-1 mapping with the instruction set (for simple algorithms). Same goes for SQL.
Anyhow, nice concept here, curious to see where it goes!
I have been teaching programming/data for the past 2 years and you're right, simplification is of utmost importance for students. Actually, when teaching programming with Python, I go with them in the process of translating their logic to English first then it's almost a 1-to-1 mapping with the instruction set (for simple algorithms). Same goes for SQL.
Anyhow, nice concept here, curious to see where it goes!
Thank you for your feedback.
I think codigo.so can be good for non-English speaking students trying to learn to code.
For the HN audience it doesn't add much value.
For the HN audience it doesn't add much value.
"Docs" is broken :) How can I learn about the language, aside from the examples?
This scratches a peculiar itch that I have which isn't quite addressed by other solutions (codepen, stackblitz, replit, etc). Can you import libraries at all?
This scratches a peculiar itch that I have which isn't quite addressed by other solutions (codepen, stackblitz, replit, etc). Can you import libraries at all?
> "Docs" is broken
Yes, I'm building it, you can see some examples at https://codigo.so/editor.en/ [Ctrl + Enter] list all built in functions
> by other solutions (codepen, stackblitz, replit, etc)
No, codigo.so is a pseudocode interpreter specially designed for people who don't speak English.
Yes, I'm building it, you can see some examples at https://codigo.so/editor.en/ [Ctrl + Enter] list all built in functions
> by other solutions (codepen, stackblitz, replit, etc)
No, codigo.so is a pseudocode interpreter specially designed for people who don't speak English.
I built a similar (albeit less polished) javascript interpreted language as a lockdown project.
https://github.com/raudius/homegrown
https://github.com/raudius/homegrown
Off Topic, at the bottom of the page;
>Backed by AWS startup programs
What does that mean ?
>Backed by AWS startup programs
What does that mean ?
No big deal, I applied with my company Cardallot Inc. and they gave me $ 20k in credits
I think it's meaning this
https://aws.amazon.com/startups/
https://aws.amazon.com/startups/
I was thinking something similar, because for a moment I thought AWS are starting to fund startups.
It's a multi-language pseudocode interpreter so you can write and run code in English, Spanish, Portuguese and French in your browser.
Link to documentation is broken: https://codigo.so/docs/ (also link to community is broken, but I care more about Documentation link).
Yes, I'm building it, you can see some examples at https://codigo.so/editor.en/
[Ctrl + Enter] list all built in functions
[Ctrl + Enter] list all built in functions
awesome!
I build a meta online programming language, where you can define your own grammar ;-). See: https://fransfaase.github.io/ParserWorkshop/Online_inter_par... An example grammar is found at the bottom of the page.
Will you open source this? If yes, i would like to contribute another language.
Also, since this is supposed to be pseudocode, maybe it would be better to replace the atribution operator with something else, and the comparison operators with their math variants.
Also, since this is supposed to be pseudocode, maybe it would be better to replace the atribution operator with something else, and the comparison operators with their math variants.
As a native speaker of Portuguese, I think it would look nicer the verbs were all in the same conjugation, simple present. You have "retornar" (return) which is in infinitive form and "escreva" write which is in the present imperative mode. I would choose to put all the verbs in the simple present:
retorna => return faz => do escreve => print
I couldn't find the Portuguese version for "break", but in my opinion it should be "quebra" or "interrompe".
If this project becomes open source, I'll be happy to contribute.