Moo Card Player(hicks.design)
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Moo Card Player
https://hicks.design/journal/moo-card-player
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Great! I'd like to do the same but not sure of using NFC tags rather than printing and sticking QR Code stickers directly to the back of the card? Please help me compare both approaches. For now, I'm thinking of:
Pro's of QR Codes: Cheaper to print, no configuration required, any smartphone can use it.
Pro's of NFC Tags : Better listening workflow without having to open camera
Pro's of QR Codes: Cheaper to print, no configuration required, any smartphone can use it.
Pro's of NFC Tags : Better listening workflow without having to open camera
NFC tags are quite cheap these days… e.g. https://www.amazon.co.uk/NTAG215-Compatible-Programmable-NFC...
That’s £0.28 per tag and you can probably find them much cheaper if you go to Aliexpress and the likes.
They are also reusable which means that if you want to change the link to the audio source all you need to do is to reprogram the card so changes to the streaming service don’t require reprinting.
And that’s probably the biggest advantage links can change on a streaming service with NFC you can easily change the streaming service itself too.
Overall here the biggest expense would be probably printing the album art itself in high quality and using good stock for the actual cards. So whilst the QR code might be cheaper on its own if you need to make any changes it could easily require a reprint or remaking of the entire card which will probably cost far more than the tag.
Also you can always get NFC tags in the form of the card itself and get the album art printed on them at a high quality print shop. It would cost you a few $ per card but they would last for much longer.
That’s £0.28 per tag and you can probably find them much cheaper if you go to Aliexpress and the likes.
They are also reusable which means that if you want to change the link to the audio source all you need to do is to reprogram the card so changes to the streaming service don’t require reprinting.
And that’s probably the biggest advantage links can change on a streaming service with NFC you can easily change the streaming service itself too.
Overall here the biggest expense would be probably printing the album art itself in high quality and using good stock for the actual cards. So whilst the QR code might be cheaper on its own if you need to make any changes it could easily require a reprint or remaking of the entire card which will probably cost far more than the tag.
Also you can always get NFC tags in the form of the card itself and get the album art printed on them at a high quality print shop. It would cost you a few $ per card but they would last for much longer.
> links can change
I guess you could use bit.ly links rather than direct urls to build an abstraction
I guess you could use bit.ly links rather than direct urls to build an abstraction
If someone is looking for a way to print cards or labels, you can take a look at my project labelmaker:
https://pilabor.com/projects/labelmaker/
It is designed to create PDFs for a music / audio book collection. The article contains also links to other projects following the RFID approach.
Another interesting possibility is to use small wooden cards with sticker labels (which I use for my daughter to NOT use these plastic / PVC stuff) or even glass, looks awesome but is also more expensive.
https://pilabor.com/projects/labelmaker/
It is designed to create PDFs for a music / audio book collection. The article contains also links to other projects following the RFID approach.
Another interesting possibility is to use small wooden cards with sticker labels (which I use for my daughter to NOT use these plastic / PVC stuff) or even glass, looks awesome but is also more expensive.
Hey, I'm actually working on something similar, would you be interested in checking it out?
Great idea! I also had a similar idea. I made ESP32 and RPi based audio players as well to play these things. To get small kids off the phones. I also looked at the Moo Cards, but felt the size to be rather small for nice art work. Some links:
https://linki.cc/ https://github.com/timotoots/linki_players
At the moment, it's an art project. It could be more, but too many things to do currently.
https://linki.cc/ https://github.com/timotoots/linki_players
At the moment, it's an art project. It could be more, but too many things to do currently.
> restore some kind of physicality to my digital music collection
If you want physicality then you’d encode the music onto the card itself, rather than point it to a URL or anything that is ephemeral.
If you want physicality then you’d encode the music onto the card itself, rather than point it to a URL or anything that is ephemeral.
Well, even if you encoded the music digitally into the card, then it is still dependent on layers of complex software and hardware to decode and play it, so it's still ephemeral. If you wanted true physicality, then you'd etch the analog waveform onto the card. /s
Sarcasm aside, I am pretty sure "restore some kind of physicality" refers to how it allows one to physically browse through a stack of music choices with printed art instead of scrolling through Spotify. That sounds fun and meaningful in itself!
For folks who care about the literal digital or analog physicality of the music, there are always CDs and vinyl, respectively. I'm sure the author is quite aware of this.
Sarcasm aside, I am pretty sure "restore some kind of physicality" refers to how it allows one to physically browse through a stack of music choices with printed art instead of scrolling through Spotify. That sounds fun and meaningful in itself!
For folks who care about the literal digital or analog physicality of the music, there are always CDs and vinyl, respectively. I'm sure the author is quite aware of this.
How big would the card have to be if you could actually encode the music on the card as some kind of QR code or visual binary representation.
Looking at my lossy-compressed music library, the smallest album I have is 15MB and the largest (single disk) album is 70MB. Using LP-sized cards (12"x12"), a binary image would end up being about 1100-2500 DPI respectively for those two albums. Much too small to be scanned effectively. If you reduce the requirements to a single rather than an album, then you are looking at 1-10 MB per code, which is 300-900 DPI, still too dense.
The camera would also be a limiting factor. The iPhone 12 has a 12 mega-pixel sensor, so even if you can get exact pixel-for-pixel alignment of the sensor and coded data, you would need to represent 10-50 bits of information in each pixel (eg via color/brightness), for an album, or 1-8 bits for a single song. In practice, you need several pixels per bit, so you would have to scan the code in sections - you couldn't image it at once. At that point, perhaps a tape would be more appropriate than a card.
That is with fairly transparent compression though. You could be a lot more aggressive, and might get something that would work with a single photo.
The camera would also be a limiting factor. The iPhone 12 has a 12 mega-pixel sensor, so even if you can get exact pixel-for-pixel alignment of the sensor and coded data, you would need to represent 10-50 bits of information in each pixel (eg via color/brightness), for an album, or 1-8 bits for a single song. In practice, you need several pixels per bit, so you would have to scan the code in sections - you couldn't image it at once. At that point, perhaps a tape would be more appropriate than a card.
That is with fairly transparent compression though. You could be a lot more aggressive, and might get something that would work with a single photo.
hrrm, now I'm wondering how cool it might be to encode some kind of analog signal into a full color spectrum. I guess it would be like taking a photo of an LP and being able to zoom in and read every groove.
Error correction would be a PITA the pixel values would be highly dependent on lighting, camera sensor (even between identical sensors), lens aberration and focus and any post processing the camera does both in hardware and software.
You will most likely have to use only primary colors or something quite close to that which will limit your data density considerably.
You will most likely have to use only primary colors or something quite close to that which will limit your data density considerably.
You can just about squeeze an album onto a floppy disk - see https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2020/09/a-floppy-disk-mp3-player-us...
Using Opus at a ridiculously low quality, you can probably fit a standard 3 minute pop song in ~200KB.
A QR code, with minimum error correction, can fit a maximum of about 4KB. So a square of 7x7 codes would be enough.
The largest type 40 codes are 177x177px. So that's about 1,200px square.
Depending on the resolution of your camera, and how far away it is, you might be able to squeeze that onto an A5 print out.
Using Opus at a ridiculously low quality, you can probably fit a standard 3 minute pop song in ~200KB.
A QR code, with minimum error correction, can fit a maximum of about 4KB. So a square of 7x7 codes would be enough.
The largest type 40 codes are 177x177px. So that's about 1,200px square.
Depending on the resolution of your camera, and how far away it is, you might be able to squeeze that onto an A5 print out.
I also thought about this, but I did neither find an RFID chip that was capable of storing enough data for this, nor the space for encoded data in printable form.
There is a commercial product for children, called Tonies (Or Toniebox) - see https://us.tonies.com/. They have something called "Kreativ-Tonies" (german), where you can store up to 90min of audio content, but I did not find out, how they are working technically. I think that they just store it on a cloud server and stream / download the content on usage, but I'm not sure about this.
BTW: I don't think, that storing the music on a card directly would be the best approach, because if the card breaks, you have to rebuild the whole card. If the music is stored on the device or cloud, you just have to print one.
There is a commercial product for children, called Tonies (Or Toniebox) - see https://us.tonies.com/. They have something called "Kreativ-Tonies" (german), where you can store up to 90min of audio content, but I did not find out, how they are working technically. I think that they just store it on a cloud server and stream / download the content on usage, but I'm not sure about this.
BTW: I don't think, that storing the music on a card directly would be the best approach, because if the card breaks, you have to rebuild the whole card. If the music is stored on the device or cloud, you just have to print one.
I'll take it a step further and suggest that the original idea is super bleh, but "music actually on the card" is genuinely interesting. Possession of the thing is deeply and fundamentally different from "glorified QR code."
So big that you cannot call it "card' anymore :)
Jokes apart here you can find an insight about qrcodes capacity: https://github.com/dtonon/papiro
Jokes apart here you can find an insight about qrcodes capacity: https://github.com/dtonon/papiro
Wow these are delightful! I would pay a dollar for each of these. If you’re listening, music industry.
This is incredible. This looks like a really cool implementation of Tonies https://tonies.com/en-gb/
Nice! I saw a version of this that used RFID, but this looks like it could be a lot simpler to work with. If I can connect it to my Plex library I'll be in business.
Question: can you read cards from the other side? I mean, imagine your cards are stuck on a wall in your room, can you still read them?
In my experience these stickers don't reach very far, but through a layer of paper should still work.
I scan them through a quarter inch or so of wood, so this should be no problem.
For Album artwork I recommend iTunes Artwork Finder[1], which can pull high res artwork from anything on iTunes. "Under the Pink" is on there.
I looked into using Moo cards as well, but also came to the conclusion that printing 50 at a time was less than ideal. So I ended up matte photo printing the art (normal 4"x6" prints) and sandwiching some 110lb card stock between the prints and cutting with scissors. This actually turned out very well, they have a very nice feel, and has the added bonus of having custom art on both sides.
It's a bit of work for each card though. I wish Moo or someone offered cards with NFC chips built in (they used to).
I also built a NFC reader into my living room side table, which reads the cards and plays the music on my Sonos speakers. Loosely based on these instructions[2]
[1] https://bendodson.com/projects/itunes-artwork-finder/ [2] https://github.com/adonno/tagreader