Ottawa has lost control of itself(twitter.com)
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Ottawa has lost control of itself
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Seems like most people aren't used to huge protests like we used to have in western countries. Real protests (for things like worker's rights, preventing wrongful laws from passing) were quite common 20 years ago at least in Western Europe. I guess after only one generation makes people forget about them.
Things like demonstrations at every big city, roads closed with barricades, public transport frequency reductions, even shops, offices and factories halting for a day or two.
Ottawa is well under control (for now). The Ottawa or Canadian governments can evacuate the city whenever they want. They have three ways, negotiation, accepting what the movement wants or repression (which would hit Canada's reputation quite badly).
Things like demonstrations at every big city, roads closed with barricades, public transport frequency reductions, even shops, offices and factories halting for a day or two.
Ottawa is well under control (for now). The Ottawa or Canadian governments can evacuate the city whenever they want. They have three ways, negotiation, accepting what the movement wants or repression (which would hit Canada's reputation quite badly).
You know they're blasting air horns in residential streets, right? Air horns that are 100-120db range, typically found on semis, not counting aftermarket soupped up ones.
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At 100db, 24 minutes of exposure within 24 hours is considered damaging to hearing. At 120dB, it's basically instantaneous damage to hearing. And lot of them have been doing that to harass residents.
If I walk down the street, jab something in someone's ear and damage their hearing, I'd be rightfully charge with assault (probably with a weapon). How is this any different?
This city is well versed in protest, even protests that could shutdown Wellington st, right in front of the hill. It's naive, at the very minimum, to even let these vehicles park right up the hill and blare their horns day and night.
If you think this is just a minor inconvenience, come to downtown and stand next to one of these trucks when the air horn goes off.
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At 100db, 24 minutes of exposure within 24 hours is considered damaging to hearing. At 120dB, it's basically instantaneous damage to hearing. And lot of them have been doing that to harass residents.
If I walk down the street, jab something in someone's ear and damage their hearing, I'd be rightfully charge with assault (probably with a weapon). How is this any different?
This city is well versed in protest, even protests that could shutdown Wellington st, right in front of the hill. It's naive, at the very minimum, to even let these vehicles park right up the hill and blare their horns day and night.
If you think this is just a minor inconvenience, come to downtown and stand next to one of these trucks when the air horn goes off.
Standing next to one of those trucks during the protest, is like standing in a building alone in the midst of George Floyd protests, except you get engulfed in flames instead of your ear drums ruined.
And getting your ear drums ruined is no happy thing. Which is why it is crazy silencers are illegal.
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And getting your ear drums ruined is no happy thing. Which is why it is crazy silencers are illegal.
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The loudness of everything falls off with distance. How far away is the 100-120dB measured from, and how far away are these ones from the residents?
Does the government not have a responsibility to protect fair use of the commons by all people?
If you agree that the government has that responsibility, then the government needs to maintain its rule over the commons, which has clearly been lost in downtown Ottawa.
Also, the demonstrators have been there for over a week, lacking a permit for their demonstration, often honking all night long and keeping awake the people who live nearby. There have been numerous reports of assaults by demonstrators because the victims had the audacity to wear a mask while walking in the vicinity of the demonstration.
If you agree that the government has that responsibility, then the government needs to maintain its rule over the commons, which has clearly been lost in downtown Ottawa.
Also, the demonstrators have been there for over a week, lacking a permit for their demonstration, often honking all night long and keeping awake the people who live nearby. There have been numerous reports of assaults by demonstrators because the victims had the audacity to wear a mask while walking in the vicinity of the demonstration.
> because some truckers parked downtown for a few days
Truck horns have been blaring 24/7 for 9 days in a residential area.
Truck horns have been blaring 24/7 for 9 days in a residential area.
I have to show my "vaccine passport" to go to the hardware store (in a mask), literally. People are being fired over their refusal to share medical information. All off this is far more existentially bad than "honking". Yet for some reason, that's what people focus on.
1. You've obviously never experienced such noise pollution.
2. Even worse than both are dozens of mostly preventable deaths per day in Ontario alone.
2. Even worse than both are dozens of mostly preventable deaths per day in Ontario alone.
> Yet for some reason, that's what people focus on.
The people or the media?
The people or the media?
Sounds like a good way to get attention for people who have been ignored for too long. Hard to ignore this.
I think it's the Nazi flags. Symbols of treason and rebellion, expressions of violent intent towards fellow citizens. It stopped being fellow citizens with disagreeable and even laughable views expressing their right to freely assemble and express themselves then and there.
Personally, for the vast majority (hoping) that only care about the vaccine mandate I don't care one bit. But for the nazi and confederate flag waving people, my frustration is against the law much more than the people, why is it unlawful to grant them their wish and meet them with violence if the government is unwilling to arrest and punish them for it. Nazism is not protected speech, it is worse than the classic example of "shouting fire in a crowd" it is promoting and seeding hatred and violence in hopes of genocide! The only acceptable Nazi is a dead Nazi. 50 million people didn't die so we can forget.
Personally, for the vast majority (hoping) that only care about the vaccine mandate I don't care one bit. But for the nazi and confederate flag waving people, my frustration is against the law much more than the people, why is it unlawful to grant them their wish and meet them with violence if the government is unwilling to arrest and punish them for it. Nazism is not protected speech, it is worse than the classic example of "shouting fire in a crowd" it is promoting and seeding hatred and violence in hopes of genocide! The only acceptable Nazi is a dead Nazi. 50 million people didn't die so we can forget.
Big demonstrations attract all the... Let's call them "different thinking people" around them. Even if demonstrations were done in closed spaces with proper access control some of them would enter anyway.
Communists, Nazis, Confederates, "professional" looters, anarchists, weird conspiracies like the birds are drones, the earth/Finland/New Zealand don't exist, the list could go on for hours... Grab a photo at the correct time and bang, you have successfully "destroyed" or defaced a movement.
Communists, Nazis, Confederates, "professional" looters, anarchists, weird conspiracies like the birds are drones, the earth/Finland/New Zealand don't exist, the list could go on for hours... Grab a photo at the correct time and bang, you have successfully "destroyed" or defaced a movement.
I think it's the Nazi flags. Symbols of treason and rebellion, expressions of violent intent towards fellow citizens. It stopped being fellow citizens with disagreeable and even laughable views expressing their right to freely assemble and express themselves then and there.
Oh goodness.
I don't support the protests or their aims, but remember that there were a hell of a lot of protesters in CHOP and BLM in general carrying and displaying Marxist and Soviet iconongraphy. Making the whole BLM movement answer for the 80 million dead Chinese peasants and Kulaks would be pretty stupid. Do you really expect BLM to be policing their ranks like that? If you cut them a break for a few ignorant fools in their protests, why is this any different?
Don't be crazy. This whole situation is bad enough what with the break-down in law and order without hysterically shouting about Nazism.
Oh goodness.
I don't support the protests or their aims, but remember that there were a hell of a lot of protesters in CHOP and BLM in general carrying and displaying Marxist and Soviet iconongraphy. Making the whole BLM movement answer for the 80 million dead Chinese peasants and Kulaks would be pretty stupid. Do you really expect BLM to be policing their ranks like that? If you cut them a break for a few ignorant fools in their protests, why is this any different?
Don't be crazy. This whole situation is bad enough what with the break-down in law and order without hysterically shouting about Nazism.
I don't care about BLM and they were tear gassed, beatup, even reporters got dismembered! This response is a whataboutism. Soviets were allies of the US against Nazis, they didn't kill millions of americans nor did they wish genocide on anyone. They do not stand as a symbol if rebellion against legitimate government either. Neither does BLM but that's the thing with whataboutist reponse, you are trying to get me to defend a 3rd party that isn't relevant to the conversation at hand.
If a BLM protester waves a Nazi flag or whatever the opposite is that wishes death to some group of people, treat them the same and punish them or legalize violent response against them. Why do I have to stand silent and watch while others plot and promote genocide?
If a BLM protester waves a Nazi flag or whatever the opposite is that wishes death to some group of people, treat them the same and punish them or legalize violent response against them. Why do I have to stand silent and watch while others plot and promote genocide?
> I don't care about BLM and they were tear gassed, beatup, even reporters got dismembered!
Which reporters are you talking about? The only reporter I know of who ever got dismembered was Jamal Khashoggi, and he had nothing whatsoever to do with BLM.
Which reporters are you talking about? The only reporter I know of who ever got dismembered was Jamal Khashoggi, and he had nothing whatsoever to do with BLM.
Hope this helps: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=reporter+blm+protest+lost+eye
I meant lost eye (eye is a member).
I meant lost eye (eye is a member).
To be fair, "dismember" is more specific than the loss of a body part. It specifically means to cut, tear, or otherwise remove a part of the body.
> Soviets were allies of the US against Nazis, they didn't kill millions of americans nor did they wish genocide on anyone. They do not stand as a symbol if rebellion against legitimate government either.
Are we talking about the people who fought a revolutionary war against the monarchy of the Russian Empire, eventually murdering the Tsar's family, wife and kids included? Then proceeded to stoke violent class warfare and political purges throughout Soviet territory, including the Holodomor in Ukraine. All the while funding communist revolt in other countries across the Far East and Europe. Those guys right?
Genocide aside, the Nazi takeover of Wiemar Germany was almost completely on the level comparatively. But both regimes racked up massive body counts, and both did so with intention.
Are we talking about the people who fought a revolutionary war against the monarchy of the Russian Empire, eventually murdering the Tsar's family, wife and kids included? Then proceeded to stoke violent class warfare and political purges throughout Soviet territory, including the Holodomor in Ukraine. All the while funding communist revolt in other countries across the Far East and Europe. Those guys right?
Genocide aside, the Nazi takeover of Wiemar Germany was almost completely on the level comparatively. But both regimes racked up massive body counts, and both did so with intention.
> Oh goodness.
> … BLM …
Ah yes, the whatabout
> … BLM …
Ah yes, the whatabout
Just in case anyone's reading this, there are no nazi's in the protest. There may have been some design essentially equating vaccine mandates with nazi-ism, and that got jumped on as "look, they're nazis!!!!!"
Even if a few undesirables do show up to the protest, it's squarely about mandates, despite what the people complaining might want you to believe. At least imagine that it's possible to simply have had enough of the covid restrictions, without having some additional "extremist" agenda.
Also, it's a pretty serious accusation to call someone a Nazi...
Even if a few undesirables do show up to the protest, it's squarely about mandates, despite what the people complaining might want you to believe. At least imagine that it's possible to simply have had enough of the covid restrictions, without having some additional "extremist" agenda.
Also, it's a pretty serious accusation to call someone a Nazi...
You realize Pat King and Chris Sky are not insignificantly involved in organizing the protest (both officially and unofficially)? And have a rather large support base among the participants? I can't speak for Pat King, but Chris Sky has quoted and agreed with Hitler in the past .. so yes, I would say there are Nazis in the protest.
I am talking about the people waving actual Nazi and confederate flags. No one else. My comment if you read carefully points out that I have no problem with the majority of protesters but the fact that Nazis joined freely without resistance makes me angry against the authorities.
> makes me angry against the authorities
Maybe you should protest
Maybe you should protest
Only if violence against nazis is legalized. I don't believe in annoying people to make a change, what has been given can be taken away. But what you take after convincing others or by force, you can keep so long as reason or strength is on your side. I will write nicely worded letters to legislators if it comes to it.
Officers say their strategy has been to defuse tensions, but critics say that other demonstrations, including those by Indigenous peoples, are often met with force.
“It’s OK if angry white men do it, because they are politically aligned with you, but it’s not OK if Indigenous people peacefully protect their own rights,” Indigenous lawyer and professor Pam Palmater told APTN News
“It’s OK if angry white men do it, because they are politically aligned with you, but it’s not OK if Indigenous people peacefully protect their own rights,” Indigenous lawyer and professor Pam Palmater told APTN News
Isn't this the purpose of a protest?
I mean how much better can it get? A peaceful protest by a portion of the population that feels wronged? Government for the people and all that
I mean how much better can it get? A peaceful protest by a portion of the population that feels wronged? Government for the people and all that
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https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/geiger-bardswich-but-did-h...
It is far from peaceful.
It is far from peaceful.
It is interesting to read individual perspectives. This one is firmly for the non-working-class establishment, but there are many others who say the exact opposite.
In the days when we still had a reliable press with actual reporters on the ground, we'd know more. Nowadays it comes down to one side displaying five people with a confederate flag and the other side displaying five people with a placard calling the truckers "stupid inbreds" (Trudeau won't complain about the latter).
In the days when we still had a reliable press with actual reporters on the ground, we'd know more. Nowadays it comes down to one side displaying five people with a confederate flag and the other side displaying five people with a placard calling the truckers "stupid inbreds" (Trudeau won't complain about the latter).
A government has “lost control” to peaceful protest? I don’t know, and haven’t been following this closely, but it sounds kind of like… democracy working.
> "the army should deal with peaceful protestors. I'm normal"
-- poignant summary of the thread by one of its participants
-- poignant summary of the thread by one of its participants
>5. As far as I can tell, no one knows what to do about this.
You could just, y'know, drop the mandates and whatnot.
You could just, y'know, drop the mandates and whatnot.
The protest is due to the _exemptions_ to the mandates (which applied only to long haul truckers) being removed. Are you suggesting all mask and vaccine mandates be removed or that a small portion of the populace (a small portion of the truckers that refuse to get vaccinated) be granted special privileges again?
I wouldn’t consider the ability to work for a living, when you have no other viable alternatives, to be a special privilege. It should be the least a government provides.
“No other viable alternatives” is a funny way of phrasing getting a free, almost painless vaccination and wearing a mask. It is literally the least a person can do to show they have signed the social contract.
I suppose it isn’t surprising at all that the same people that refuse to pay such low table stakes also show complete disdain for others by turning their protest into a 24/7 cacophony of 120dB horns blaring and racist signage.
I suppose it isn’t surprising at all that the same people that refuse to pay such low table stakes also show complete disdain for others by turning their protest into a 24/7 cacophony of 120dB horns blaring and racist signage.
> “No other viable alternatives” is a funny way of phrasing getting a free, almost painless vaccination and wearing a mask. It is literally the least a person can do to show they have signed the social contract.
Hard disagree. The vaccines do not prevent transmission. There is no justification for asking people to get injected something if it is not for protecting the society from an infected individual. If mandates are about protecting individuals, then there need to be many more mandates: against smoking, unhealthy eating, unprotected sex, risky sport, stress and many more things that potentially lower people's lifespans or healthspans. I hope it is clear that this would overstep boundaries and would only be enforceable with dystopian surveillance.
The free, almost painless vaccination could also be a free almost painless tattoo with a personalized QR code a few years down the road in order to make people easier to identify for enforcement of health mandates.
Hard disagree. The vaccines do not prevent transmission. There is no justification for asking people to get injected something if it is not for protecting the society from an infected individual. If mandates are about protecting individuals, then there need to be many more mandates: against smoking, unhealthy eating, unprotected sex, risky sport, stress and many more things that potentially lower people's lifespans or healthspans. I hope it is clear that this would overstep boundaries and would only be enforceable with dystopian surveillance.
The free, almost painless vaccination could also be a free almost painless tattoo with a personalized QR code a few years down the road in order to make people easier to identify for enforcement of health mandates.
The vaccines reduce severity. The majority of people hospitalized are the unvaccinated. Preventing our hospitals from filling up is a valid public health initiative.
Covid is only a small share of patients in hospitals. Many things prevent hospitals from filling up, such as quitting smoking, eating healthy, exercising, only having protected sex, quit riding a motocycle, doing regular breathing exercises, and many many other things. We don't mandate these, but many people do them on their own, because they want to live longer. Or they don't and maybe they die earlier, but society has no say in this.
Vaccines are mandated in order to prevent the spread of the disease. If the vaccines do not do that job, then mandates are unethical, because they undermine bodily autonomy, while giving a false sense of security.
Vaccines are mandated in order to prevent the spread of the disease. If the vaccines do not do that job, then mandates are unethical, because they undermine bodily autonomy, while giving a false sense of security.
> Covid is only a small share of patients in hospitals.
Yes.
Exactly
Because the measures we have in place are working. Saying the measures are not needed because they are working exactly as intended is...odd.
Yes.
Exactly
Because the measures we have in place are working. Saying the measures are not needed because they are working exactly as intended is...odd.
> Because the measures we have in place are working.
Citation needed
Citation needed
Getting the vaccine has health risks and it would mean a "kiss the ring" submission to untrusted power to many people. Bioethics is clearly on their side - forcing a human to undergo any medical procedure against their will supposedly to benefit other people is a violation of that human's basic rights.
Sure, that’s fine with me, but then if you choose to go against the common good then you shouldn’t have the same access to health care as someone that does. Our hospitals are filled with the unvaccinated infected. Plenty of people who followed the rules have seen their surgeries and other treatments postponed as a result.
But are they going against the common good? Maybe they are helping the common good, by choosing different health strategy and different politics from the rest. There are other ways to stay healthy than getting the vaccine, and it is good for the nation to have diversity in this.
In any case, I agree in principle that limited resources of healthcare in hospitals should be spent wisely and fairly, e.g. in case of overload, put very old, or obviously bad lifestyle people on the backburner. Also, COVID is not the only health problem and postponing all surgeries/cancer treatments because of many COVID cases does not seem right. This is not a simple topic though.
In any case, I agree in principle that limited resources of healthcare in hospitals should be spent wisely and fairly, e.g. in case of overload, put very old, or obviously bad lifestyle people on the backburner. Also, COVID is not the only health problem and postponing all surgeries/cancer treatments because of many COVID cases does not seem right. This is not a simple topic though.
> Are you suggesting all mask and vaccine mandates be removed
For the vaccine mandates, absoutely, because the vaccines are now mostly ineffective against transmission of the virus. There is no good justification for these mandates.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-director-covid-...
For comparison - the Czech Supreme Administrative Court just ruled (and ended vax passports for shopping):
> “The measure cannot aim to indirectly force citizens to be vaccinated. This would make voluntary vaccination mandatory through an emergency vaccination measure, as unvaccinated people would have no choice but to be vaccinated if they wanted to live normally,” said NSS Judge Petr Mikeš
https://praguemorning.cz/czech-government-cannot-indirectly-...
Mask mandate make sense in some situations, because they are more effective at preventing transmission, but these need to be phased out at some point too.
For the vaccine mandates, absoutely, because the vaccines are now mostly ineffective against transmission of the virus. There is no good justification for these mandates.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-director-covid-...
For comparison - the Czech Supreme Administrative Court just ruled (and ended vax passports for shopping):
> “The measure cannot aim to indirectly force citizens to be vaccinated. This would make voluntary vaccination mandatory through an emergency vaccination measure, as unvaccinated people would have no choice but to be vaccinated if they wanted to live normally,” said NSS Judge Petr Mikeš
https://praguemorning.cz/czech-government-cannot-indirectly-...
Mask mandate make sense in some situations, because they are more effective at preventing transmission, but these need to be phased out at some point too.
What I find really funny about this twitter thread is that there is an obvious solution, to the immediate problem; just get rid of the mandates.
Problem solved.
Except people have now learned they can stand up to “the man” in charge and win. Which might be why they’d let the insanity continue.
Problem solved.
Except people have now learned they can stand up to “the man” in charge and win. Which might be why they’d let the insanity continue.
What was the rationale behind the mandatory vaccination of truckers ? They don’t seem to be a very high risk group, and the pandemic is now past the final wave. Seems like a strange policy to me
I think it is not actual mandatory vaccination, but two weeks of quarantine at the border if unvaccinated. Which makes them de facto unemployed.
Indeed truckers are solitary and not in a risk group, so Trudeau is playing a game of chicken (pun intended, since he's hiding) instead of just lifting all mandates like several European countries.
In the U.S., reversing the COVID policies seems to be prepared gradually by priming public opinion via the usual outlets (NYT, WaPo, etc.). It is aided by the Ukraine and ISIS strike diversions.
Perhaps Trudeau wants to ride this one out until the U.S. Democrats are lifting all restrictions.
Indeed truckers are solitary and not in a risk group, so Trudeau is playing a game of chicken (pun intended, since he's hiding) instead of just lifting all mandates like several European countries.
In the U.S., reversing the COVID policies seems to be prepared gradually by priming public opinion via the usual outlets (NYT, WaPo, etc.). It is aided by the Ukraine and ISIS strike diversions.
Perhaps Trudeau wants to ride this one out until the U.S. Democrats are lifting all restrictions.
How would anyone know when the "final" wave has occurred? I've seen no evidence claiming anyone has any real idea that the pandemic is over. All of the evidence so far is that a variant can pop up and cause an additional wave (see: Delta, Omicron.) Has there been any evidence presented anywhere to suggest that the virus will stop mutating and spreading among the world's mostly unvaccinated populations?
He is suggesting that the solution is to ask the intervention of the military. That's nuts! What about Trudeau admitting he made a mistake, saying he's sorry and asking everybody to go home? Unless he wants to fight his own citizens over his ideas using an army (which should not be used for this purpose).
Did he make a mistake? Is that the takeaway from the protests that involve only a small portion of those for whom the new rules apply?
Well, yes, the government should be aware of how far they can push their laws before a backlash. Now we have an absurd situation where some countries declare the end of pandemic and remove the last limitations and other countries try to enforce new rules. A good ruler knows how far they can go, and what to do once they realize they've gone too far.
There are two types of countries in the world... Those where people can assemble in the capitol and those where people cannot. In general, the former is better than the latter.
I think 99% of the issue is the horns. I think they could snarl traffic and protest outside Parliament for the next year and everyone would support them. Nearly all the anger is directed at the horns at all hours.
People have noticed that the way the current protest is being handled is rather different than previous ones. And how the Conservatives have forgotten their law and order speeches from 2020…. In the age of the internet, I’m sure these points will be endlessly reminded to them comes an election. Along with marketing and other aid being provided to them.
None of this, unfortunately, is surprising.
None of this, unfortunately, is surprising.
Things have never been better for me, but then again I don't live in Ottawa or Toronto. The constant horns (from these truckers in Ottawa suburbs) would suck, I'm surprised nobodys been killed over that, yet. Sleep deprivation ain't no joke.
Imagine how proud Pierre "just watch me" Trudeau must be, looking down on his son be so afraid of saying the wrong thing or hurting someone's feelings, that he is paralyzed into ineffectiveness.
Just do something, anything, and stand up for yourself. Just make sure you do it with the best interest of the nation in mind and the support will follow.
I don't love or hate any particular leader, but I definitely respect the ones that make confident choices in times of need.
Imagine how proud Pierre "just watch me" Trudeau must be, looking down on his son be so afraid of saying the wrong thing or hurting someone's feelings, that he is paralyzed into ineffectiveness.
Just do something, anything, and stand up for yourself. Just make sure you do it with the best interest of the nation in mind and the support will follow.
I don't love or hate any particular leader, but I definitely respect the ones that make confident choices in times of need.
You’re not even advocating for anything specific except action. Are you encouraging Trudeau to attack the citizens of Ottawa? I hope not
>Imagine how proud Pierre "just watch me" Trudeau must be, looking down on his son be so afraid of saying the wrong thing or hurting someone's feelings, that he is paralyzed into ineffectiveness.
Non-Canadians may not know that Justin Trudeau went into hiding because of the Ottawa protests. Seriously.
4chan is, as usual, on the case, and found Trudeau in Luskville, Quebec. <https://np.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/sj88d9/a_story_of_wea...>
Non-Canadians may not know that Justin Trudeau went into hiding because of the Ottawa protests. Seriously.
4chan is, as usual, on the case, and found Trudeau in Luskville, Quebec. <https://np.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/sj88d9/a_story_of_wea...>
Do you know what he is referring to? Some kind of protest?
This is the part I was curious about.
> When asked in the House of Commons to produce data linking truckers to COVID-19 infections in Canada, neither the minister of health Jean-Yves Duclos nor the chief public health officer Theresa Tam were able to do so.[34]
> When asked in the House of Commons to produce data linking truckers to COVID-19 infections in Canada, neither the minister of health Jean-Yves Duclos nor the chief public health officer Theresa Tam were able to do so.[34]
I think it was a sense of fairness that there was an exemption that probably shouldn’t have ever existed.
The exemption, or the mandate? The data shows no correlation with the mandates and transmission rates, right?
They are protesting the fact that the exemption from the mandate was lifted.
Maybe not for limiting transmission but not filling up hospitals with the unvaccinated + infected is a valid public health initiative.
Maybe not for limiting transmission but not filling up hospitals with the unvaccinated + infected is a valid public health initiative.
The few that are loudly complaining about the protest appear to believe we should never speak up no matter how badly the government and our fellow citizens treat us. And instead of actually engaging with the subject of the protest - intrusive mandates and documentation requests - they would rather either complain about petty things like honking, or somehow imagine the government has lost control of the country because some truckers parked downtown for a few days. In any case, I think the freaking out by a select few we've seen over this is so ridiculous that it hopefully supports the trucker's case in the minds of normal people here