Why do girls do better at school?(atis.substack.com)
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Why do girls do better at school?
https://atis.substack.com/p/why-do-girls-do-better-than-boys
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All this is reasonable if the goal is to create obedient workforce: they must be good at understanding instructions and following them. Any sort of initiative, and violence is a form of initiative, is discouraged. That's also why many girls do much better in schools, but struggle later when initiative is needed.
I don't think there is any commentary, evidence, or proposal hypotheses which could be offered on this subject without attracting accusations of bigotry.
Which, actually, is a big part of why this persists.
Which, actually, is a big part of why this persists.
The article has over a dozen links to articles and quotes data from several studies, so this claim seems contrary to the evidence.
Boys tend to have more physical energy, and it must be "burned off" to "get the wiggles out". Their recess breaks need to be more intense and supervised so that some don't fall through the cracks. It works, it's just not popular because it requires treating boys different from girls. I'm just the observant messenger.
I thought this paper
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304746653_Pushed_or....
On the differences of gender dropout in Italy was a very interesting point. They suggest that it is simply easier for a boy to dropout from High School to get a job than it is for a girl.
So when we mention girls do better at school. Perhaps a factor such as incentive may play a role.
The paper suggests an uneducated boy will fare better on the job market than an uneducated girl and thus have less incentive to do well at school and drop out earlier.
I thought it was an interesting view that deviates from the usual ones
I saw one paper that showed gay boys excelled at school on average. But they were clear on that how the data was collected may have affected the outcome. In US for example, a boy that admits to being gay is more likely to come from a liberal well educated home. And children of well educated parents tend fare better at school. Knitting socio economics back to the reason for doing well.
On the differences of gender dropout in Italy was a very interesting point. They suggest that it is simply easier for a boy to dropout from High School to get a job than it is for a girl.
So when we mention girls do better at school. Perhaps a factor such as incentive may play a role.
The paper suggests an uneducated boy will fare better on the job market than an uneducated girl and thus have less incentive to do well at school and drop out earlier.
I thought it was an interesting view that deviates from the usual ones
I saw one paper that showed gay boys excelled at school on average. But they were clear on that how the data was collected may have affected the outcome. In US for example, a boy that admits to being gay is more likely to come from a liberal well educated home. And children of well educated parents tend fare better at school. Knitting socio economics back to the reason for doing well.
Isn't the answer extremely obvious?
Girls grow up faster than boys, while boys have a longer growing period that extends further (or is equal to) than the schooling period.
I'd be interested in seeing an extended study in the general differences between the study progress of girls and boys seperated by school year and age.
Lol no that's not "extremely obvious" at all.
This is a preposterous hand-waving away of hundreds of distinct factors so that you can excuse massive, systemic bias against boys as being a natural outcome.
Would you so flippantly make the same claim about racial disparities in education?
This is a preposterous hand-waving away of hundreds of distinct factors so that you can excuse massive, systemic bias against boys as being a natural outcome.
Would you so flippantly make the same claim about racial disparities in education?
I am not waving away all other factors, I am merely stating that the difference of mental development between girls and boys is, at least to me, quite obviously the largest by far.
Mental development has an enormous impact on school performance. Areas that "our" Western school system bases its grading on, from memorization to attention, are things that children only get better at when they grow more mature.
The lack of quality in modern school systems aside, I do not believe in forced equality and fully believe that sorting children by age hurts their academic progress tremendously. By extend, separating boys from girls while teaching each at a different pace might actually improve the educational quality of every child, rather than trying to appeal to merely the average for whatever reason. I believe that the above applies to any characteristic. Education should, in my opinion, be based on an individual's learning capability, but I suppose that would go against everything the modern school system stands for.
The lack of quality in modern school systems aside, I do not believe in forced equality and fully believe that sorting children by age hurts their academic progress tremendously. By extend, separating boys from girls while teaching each at a different pace might actually improve the educational quality of every child, rather than trying to appeal to merely the average for whatever reason. I believe that the above applies to any characteristic. Education should, in my opinion, be based on an individual's learning capability, but I suppose that would go against everything the modern school system stands for.
I don’t think that your answer is obvious at all. It seems just as or much more likely to do with differential factors other than age (pedagogy, environment, etc.) than it is model boys as being N-2 years “behind” the girls. That seems very narrow.
There is a direction that should additionally be investigated and that is how schools can be improved. Is it just the curriculum or perhaps also the fact that teaching isn't a highly valued profession anymore.
Some people say high achiever should go into the economy, it is only right that they earn more. I think these thoughts don't really come from high achievers.
Some people say high achiever should go into the economy, it is only right that they earn more. I think these thoughts don't really come from high achievers.
I’ll venture a guess and say it’s because they’re more comfortable asking for help. They may also be more likely to study in groups. Both of those will be positively correlated with achievement. That’s the most obvious place to look first. Boys are often taught an attitude of self reliance, which in an academic setting is maladaptive.
I'm fine with that, in some walks of life, girls have an advantage. There for sure are many where boys have an advantage, and that doesn't look like it'll change. There will be asymmetry, so there have to be walks of life where girls do better for there to be parity. And that is what equality in real life looks like.
because 90% of teacher are girl!
or because since 1980 all the teaching method used by teacher are designed for girl learning style and none are designed for boy learning style!
Because there are no incentive for boy to work hard and get good grade because they never receive praise for good work.
or because since 1980 all the teaching method used by teacher are designed for girl learning style and none are designed for boy learning style!
Because there are no incentive for boy to work hard and get good grade because they never receive praise for good work.
> since 1980 all the teaching method used by teacher are designed for girl learning style
Can you be more specific and support the assertion that there exist gender-based learning style differences? Maybe there are; maybe there aren't. But an evidence-free claim such as this benefits no one.
> [Boys] never receive praise for good work.
Again, wildly unsupported claims, while apparently welcome on many social media platforms, are a poor fit for HN.
Can you be more specific and support the assertion that there exist gender-based learning style differences? Maybe there are; maybe there aren't. But an evidence-free claim such as this benefits no one.
> [Boys] never receive praise for good work.
Again, wildly unsupported claims, while apparently welcome on many social media platforms, are a poor fit for HN.
I am old enough to remember when boys outperformed girls in the various levels of school. They complained that the learning styles used favored boys. They then changed them all to ones that favored girls, and then girls started doing better. (Limited physical activity, no competition, focusing on feelings instead of logic, etc)
Now? Well they don't want things to change but they can't deny the stats. The solution? Blame all males for being born inferior and useless. Each top level comment here does exactly that. "Maybe the problem with boys is that they are too much this or not enough that" and so on. As if there was a wave of cosmic rays that only caused damage to XY chromosomes or something.
So what they do is pretend they never made those changes. They pretend girls always did better in school when that is a relatively recent thing. The schools are designed and built for them.
Now? Well they don't want things to change but they can't deny the stats. The solution? Blame all males for being born inferior and useless. Each top level comment here does exactly that. "Maybe the problem with boys is that they are too much this or not enough that" and so on. As if there was a wave of cosmic rays that only caused damage to XY chromosomes or something.
So what they do is pretend they never made those changes. They pretend girls always did better in school when that is a relatively recent thing. The schools are designed and built for them.
are you a girl ?
Assuming you are not, its not hard to find lot of research paper on the subject but in general males tend to be visually and tactually stronger than females whereas females are stronger auditorially. This is a well known fact.
Also spend more than 1 hours in any elementary classroom and just count how many time the teacher praise the boys vs the girl. You will quickly reach the same conclusion.
Also spend more than 1 hours in any elementary classroom and just count how many time the teacher praise the boys vs the girl. You will quickly reach the same conclusion.
wtf?
It's a female dominated industry. It should be seen as a problem just like it is for male dominated industries.
Nah. I think the critique for male-dominated industries is also focusing on the wrong things.
Evolutionary biology plays a big role in this. So it would be more efficient to focus on how to architect environments for everyone to focus on their strengths & use biologically dictated social structures. Sure they can be overthrown, but it only works as long as the environment is stable (at least in the short run).
Finding mechanisms that make our fundamental „truths“ (even if they seem outdated from a political POV), is more stable. Not saying i have the solution, i do believe, we shouldn‘t artificially punish, but rather find ways to encourage & build on that fundament.
Evolutionary biology plays a big role in this. So it would be more efficient to focus on how to architect environments for everyone to focus on their strengths & use biologically dictated social structures. Sure they can be overthrown, but it only works as long as the environment is stable (at least in the short run).
Finding mechanisms that make our fundamental „truths“ (even if they seem outdated from a political POV), is more stable. Not saying i have the solution, i do believe, we shouldn‘t artificially punish, but rather find ways to encourage & build on that fundament.
boys are too busy on their phones playing video games and watching porn in school
mostly just anecdata across the net driving that conclusion
mostly just anecdata across the net driving that conclusion
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Because patriarchy?
Whats that mean?
I find “Patriarchy” doesn’t actually explain things. It’s a catch-all to describe patterns in society but it doesn’t actually point to a root cause, or indicate a solution.
I find “Patriarchy” doesn’t actually explain things. It’s a catch-all to describe patterns in society but it doesn’t actually point to a root cause, or indicate a solution.
Apparently collective bargaining for teachers harms boys' education but not girls'.
https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/commentary/negative-ef...
https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/commentary/negative-ef...
Women want to re-produce. Any intelligent human knows you need to gather resources to care for your child adequately and give them a good life.
IMO - This is one of the more obvious answers to this phenomenon
IMO - This is one of the more obvious answers to this phenomenon
Ah yes, because men definitely aren't known for being complete horn-dogs
What are you basing your assertion on?
What are you basing your assertion on?
The article is literally asking 'Why Do Girls Do Better at School' -
What does men being horny have to do with my response or the article?
What does men being horny have to do with my response or the article?
>Women want to re-produce
You lead your comment with this statement. From this, its apparent to me that you're basing your hypothesis on the difference in educational performance between the sexes based entirely on this supposed difference.
My comment was pointing out that men are also highly driven to reproduce, therefore your point is invalid
You lead your comment with this statement. From this, its apparent to me that you're basing your hypothesis on the difference in educational performance between the sexes based entirely on this supposed difference.
My comment was pointing out that men are also highly driven to reproduce, therefore your point is invalid
1. The age at which children start school has gradually lowered. This has reached a point where ~80% of boys and ~20% of girls do not have the brain maturity to pay attention (boy brains mature at a different schedule from girl brains). The result is that teachers will group classes with young students into two groups: one that is mentally ready to play the educational games and the other group that can play freestyle. Kids no matter what age are very good at learning who the "dumb" group is, even though teachers never / almost never have a negative attitude towards the group that isn't ready to learn. This causes children to think, "The teacher hates me" which causes them to hate school.
2. Schools tend to have extreme punishments towards any kind of violence, even healthy violence. E.g., banning snowball fights. This also creates an environment that is bad for ~80% of the boys and ~20% of the girls, who want to have fun this way.
3. Even intellectual discussions of violence are frowned on. The author received awards when he was a child for writing a story about a man who was trying to escape East Germany and ended up getting both his legs blown off. Nowadays it's hard to imagine anything other than that child getting detention / the police called on them / counseling / etc. This frowning on discussions of violence again causes harm, but a disproportionate amount of harm is experienced by the boys.