The Terayacht Project(pangeosyacht.com)
pangeosyacht.com
The Terayacht Project
https://www.pangeosyacht.com/projects
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The spelling and grammar mistakes don't exactly fill one with confidence either haha. Their social links also don't work. There have been many attempts at things like this in the past and they tend to go nowhere unless backed by very wealthy and powerful people.
For reference, this claims it needs a projected 8 billion in funding, which is around the total estimated size of the nft market.
For reference, this claims it needs a projected 8 billion in funding, which is around the total estimated size of the nft market.
From their website:
>WE CAN BUILD IT !
>Immagine to join together the world biggest yacht firms in an unique project.
>(None of the below brands are now involved yet in the project)
This text is accompanied by logos of companies which are NOT involved and probably never even heard of this project. I highly doubt they can build anything.
The 8 billion needed to build a monstrosity like that seems possible, but doing it in 8 years? I don't thinks so. There are way too many technical challenges to solve and there is no shipyard in the world which could construct it in one piece. Making it modular, would be possible, but not in this time frame.
And the design for the ship is terrible, no maritime engineer would sign that off.
>WE CAN BUILD IT !
>Immagine to join together the world biggest yacht firms in an unique project.
>(None of the below brands are now involved yet in the project)
This text is accompanied by logos of companies which are NOT involved and probably never even heard of this project. I highly doubt they can build anything.
The 8 billion needed to build a monstrosity like that seems possible, but doing it in 8 years? I don't thinks so. There are way too many technical challenges to solve and there is no shipyard in the world which could construct it in one piece. Making it modular, would be possible, but not in this time frame.
And the design for the ship is terrible, no maritime engineer would sign that off.
Salesforce Tower in SF cost $1-2 billion. $8 billion for this seems optimistic at best.
It's like a modern day floating pyramid scheme. Think of all the poor immigrants it will keep ungainfully enslaved building and running it!
Gigaturtles all the way down...
The monstrosity is a libertarian fever dream. Live on the seas, be unconcerned about regulations and best of all: no taxes!
Well, I'm really not sure how well this works out considering that the sea is one of the most regulated entities on the globe.
For a sobering read I recommend this article about the Satoshi. "The world's first crypto currency cruise ship" : https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/sep/07/disastrous-voya...
Well, I'm really not sure how well this works out considering that the sea is one of the most regulated entities on the globe.
For a sobering read I recommend this article about the Satoshi. "The world's first crypto currency cruise ship" : https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/sep/07/disastrous-voya...
This is not a well conceived project.
Without ridiculously expensive structures, the design will break up in heavy seas.
The turtle wings are far, far too thin to bear the loads that will be put on them.
If the power is sufficient for only 5 knots in calm conditions, it will be uncontrollable in bad weather and will only go where the wind blows it.
Aside from the glaring structural issues with the design (I’m sure a naval architect will sort them out on that in the very unlikely that it ever gets to that stage), the site is very shady with simple spelling errors as well as listing companies with their logo that are in no way affiliated with the project in a way that makes it seem like they are already involved and endorse the endeavor.
This comes across as very interested in selling their NFTs , not so much in being sincere, open, or even truthful about the prospects.
As someone who routinely invests in projects with a > 75 percent risk of failure, I would not invest in this project with the intention of ever seeing it completed.
Without ridiculously expensive structures, the design will break up in heavy seas.
The turtle wings are far, far too thin to bear the loads that will be put on them.
If the power is sufficient for only 5 knots in calm conditions, it will be uncontrollable in bad weather and will only go where the wind blows it.
Aside from the glaring structural issues with the design (I’m sure a naval architect will sort them out on that in the very unlikely that it ever gets to that stage), the site is very shady with simple spelling errors as well as listing companies with their logo that are in no way affiliated with the project in a way that makes it seem like they are already involved and endorse the endeavor.
This comes across as very interested in selling their NFTs , not so much in being sincere, open, or even truthful about the prospects.
As someone who routinely invests in projects with a > 75 percent risk of failure, I would not invest in this project with the intention of ever seeing it completed.
$8B over 60k residents is 133k per person. Seem low. My biggest concern is the logistics of the supply chain to it at sea, and that has to be very dynamic if it's actually going places.
What if they grow and raise their own food aboard the ship?
I do agree with the larger issues of maintaining hull integrity. It seems like a riskier investment than beachfront property in Florida.
I do agree with the larger issues of maintaining hull integrity. It seems like a riskier investment than beachfront property in Florida.
Probably spewing toxic waste out the back of it.
The article missed out on the details I was keen to hear.
A) power source? Electric motors so I'm assuming a mix of solar and wind? Or diesel? I'm guessing not nuclear.
B) docking. Can something this large (width more than length) actually be docked? From the shape I'm guessing "mostly no". So provisioning, embarking and so on is done via ferry? In open water? That might be fun. So actually visiting various places (getting off) might be very constrained.
C) dry-docking. I'm going to assume it can only be dry docked in the place it was built. That's fine for planned maintainence, but perhaps a problem if she became unseaworthy far from home.
D) is this a holiday cruise ship? Is it supposed to be permanent residence? If holiday seems like a poor alternative to an actual cruise ship (no / Minimal port docking?). If a permanent residence then it also seems like a poor choice. Limited access to everything (no overnight amazon delivery for you), very limited job opportunities, not sure what it's "exporting" to pay for the fuel. So I'm guessing not self-sustaining, so basically reliant on land for food/fuel? And cash. So permanent if you start mega-rich and don't need money. But if you're mega-rich why go on this thing? Why not just get your own yacht?
Sooo many questions... But ultimately I wonder;
A) who wants this thing? B) can they afford it?
A) power source? Electric motors so I'm assuming a mix of solar and wind? Or diesel? I'm guessing not nuclear.
B) docking. Can something this large (width more than length) actually be docked? From the shape I'm guessing "mostly no". So provisioning, embarking and so on is done via ferry? In open water? That might be fun. So actually visiting various places (getting off) might be very constrained.
C) dry-docking. I'm going to assume it can only be dry docked in the place it was built. That's fine for planned maintainence, but perhaps a problem if she became unseaworthy far from home.
D) is this a holiday cruise ship? Is it supposed to be permanent residence? If holiday seems like a poor alternative to an actual cruise ship (no / Minimal port docking?). If a permanent residence then it also seems like a poor choice. Limited access to everything (no overnight amazon delivery for you), very limited job opportunities, not sure what it's "exporting" to pay for the fuel. So I'm guessing not self-sustaining, so basically reliant on land for food/fuel? And cash. So permanent if you start mega-rich and don't need money. But if you're mega-rich why go on this thing? Why not just get your own yacht?
Sooo many questions... But ultimately I wonder;
A) who wants this thing? B) can they afford it?
A) Many large ships run with electric motors and diesel generators anyway, so it would be unsurprising if this ship did the same.
B) I'm sure they can carry fairly large swanky launches / tenders / whatever
C) This is interesting to me also. I suppose you could build a coffer dam around it anywhere you have a large enough shallow harbor. But even conventional large ships spend a lot of their time far away from any shipyard big enough to repair them, maybe it's just an accepted difficulty.
D) The $8-billion question, yes? The page doesn't seem to address this at all. It seems to be one designer's idle fantasy and a bunch of renders.
B) I'm sure they can carry fairly large swanky launches / tenders / whatever
C) This is interesting to me also. I suppose you could build a coffer dam around it anywhere you have a large enough shallow harbor. But even conventional large ships spend a lot of their time far away from any shipyard big enough to repair them, maybe it's just an accepted difficulty.
D) The $8-billion question, yes? The page doesn't seem to address this at all. It seems to be one designer's idle fantasy and a bunch of renders.
Embarking is answered in this video the project put out. looks like a combination of 'drone pods' that land on the helicopter pads on the back legs. ( the pads seem to be partly tucked under the overhang of the upper stage? that doesn't seem safe for anybody ) and a tunnel through the side that enters the docking area in the center of the ship that looks like it would be fun to pilot through.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT_3YmlXvOI
Please let it use
https://www.seaborg.com/
https://www.seaborg.com/
Yeah if this thing ran on bunker fuel it would be utterly awful for the climate, in terms of per passenger emissions.
Yes if you count per km travelled, maybe. But if it aimlessly floats for years and you count tons of co2 per year per person... Maybe it's not that bad.
General consensus is to shit on cruise ships, but I feel they are actually quite efficient. Fitting 5000people, basically entire town on a few hundred square meters is an amazing feat.
General consensus is to shit on cruise ships, but I feel they are actually quite efficient. Fitting 5000people, basically entire town on a few hundred square meters is an amazing feat.
If you can do it on the water, you can do it cheaper on dry land.
On the open ocean, the containment that keeps the 5000 people from driving everywhere is free and perceived as idyllic. On land, attempts to contain 5000 people and prevent them from driving would be costly and considered dystopian.
Hydrogen might be a solution to powering marine shipping too.
Can be produced en masse and co2-free by big fission reactors & renewables.
Although having SMRs directly power ships would be cool too.
Can be produced en masse and co2-free by big fission reactors & renewables.
Although having SMRs directly power ships would be cool too.
It sounds like one of those really bad Dubai megaprojects like the Palm Islands[1] and The Line.[2]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands
[2] https://www.neom.com/en-us/regions/theline
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands
[2] https://www.neom.com/en-us/regions/theline
Well, the first is realized, the second is currently underway. I guess the creator would be happy to be mentioned along these projects.
>Well, the first is realized
1/3 of it is realised, the remaining 2/3 have no apparent future, and all have had horrendous ecological effects
1/3 of it is realised, the remaining 2/3 have no apparent future, and all have had horrendous ecological effects
But they're going to sell NFTs so you can actually OWN THE SLAVES that build it, in perpetuity!
Of course it's Saudi Arabia. The proceeds of climate change need to be wasted somehow. The obvious lego cranes in the background of the render are a nice touch.
It's also literally a Verne novel from 1895: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propeller_Island
It's also literally a Verne novel from 1895: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propeller_Island
The name was the first hint, then comes the picture of this stupid giant turtle, no need to scroll further... definitely one of these dumb countries that run on petrodollars.
Yeah, why did they have to use Lego cranes in a render?
it's important to keep push the industry forward
this could be an experimental space ship
there is a lot to learn from this project
i hope they'll succeed
this could be an experimental space ship
there is a lot to learn from this project
i hope they'll succeed
> it's important to keep push the industry forward
The 'scamming gullible people' industry, you mean?
> this could be an experimental space ship
Dude, this thing is supposed to do a maximum of 5 knots on the surface of the sea. That's a fairly small fraction of the escape velocity, not to mention the whole getting of the ground thing. I suspect it'll end up looking somewhat different if the intention is to launch it into orbit and beyond.
> there is a lot to learn from this project
There sure is. Just like you shouldn't send your money to some Nigerian prince who claims he will make you fabulously rich, you should learn to stay clear of projects like this.
> i hope they'll succeed
To be quite honest, I hope they don't.
The 'scamming gullible people' industry, you mean?
> this could be an experimental space ship
Dude, this thing is supposed to do a maximum of 5 knots on the surface of the sea. That's a fairly small fraction of the escape velocity, not to mention the whole getting of the ground thing. I suspect it'll end up looking somewhat different if the intention is to launch it into orbit and beyond.
> there is a lot to learn from this project
There sure is. Just like you shouldn't send your money to some Nigerian prince who claims he will make you fabulously rich, you should learn to stay clear of projects like this.
> i hope they'll succeed
To be quite honest, I hope they don't.
> Dude, this thing is supposed to do a maximum of 5 knots on the surface of the sea. That's a fairly small fraction of the escape velocity, not to mention the whole getting of the ground thing. I suspect it'll end up looking somewhat different if the intention is to launch it into orbit and beyond.
> There sure is. Just like you shouldn't send your money to some Nigerian prince who claims he will make you fabulously rich, you should learn to stay clear of projects like this.
learning from logistic management, suply chain challenges, growing stuff on site etc
but you do you, you'll just need to raise your head and watch China conquer planets, you'll probably see their moonbase, and wonder why it's not you instead
this mindset of yours is unfortunate for your peers
> There sure is. Just like you shouldn't send your money to some Nigerian prince who claims he will make you fabulously rich, you should learn to stay clear of projects like this.
learning from logistic management, suply chain challenges, growing stuff on site etc
but you do you, you'll just need to raise your head and watch China conquer planets, you'll probably see their moonbase, and wonder why it's not you instead
this mindset of yours is unfortunate for your peers
From the next tab over from the turtleship tab:
>The "UNREAL ESTATE" is a NFT crowdfunding project, by paying in cryptocurrency it is possible to purchase virtually the selected space.
>This will generate an initial budget to step into a more sophisticated augmented reality, the Pangeos metaverse.
LOL
Like I've said before, I am angry at my dumb brain every single day because it is too dumb to come up with ways to scam schmucks out of their money....
>The "UNREAL ESTATE" is a NFT crowdfunding project, by paying in cryptocurrency it is possible to purchase virtually the selected space.
>This will generate an initial budget to step into a more sophisticated augmented reality, the Pangeos metaverse.
LOL
Like I've said before, I am angry at my dumb brain every single day because it is too dumb to come up with ways to scam schmucks out of their money....
It's a Megaship from Consider Phlebas! https://theculture.fandom.com/wiki/Megaship
Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead, Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell And the profit and loss.
A current under sea Picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell He passed the stages of his age and youth Entering the whirlpool.
Gentile or Jew O you who turn the wheel and look to windward, Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead, Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell And the profit and loss.
A current under sea Picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell He passed the stages of his age and youth Entering the whirlpool.
Gentile or Jew O you who turn the wheel and look to windward, Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
You beat me to it. :-) Currently in the middle of reading Consider Phlebas.
This is rather Snow Crash, isn't it? At 5kts, I can't see how it could possibly avoid becoming a Raft.
Gotta run. Got pizza to deliver.
Gotta run. Got pizza to deliver.
Or Elysium in the oceans and not in space. It would be a place for the retired super rich with all the latest health care amenities.
Or Avenue 5 in the ocean and not in space.
The Raft was a bunch of smaller ships clustered together wasn’t it? That seems a much more sensible approach than a floating monolith. Start small - buy a boat and see if you can convince other people to tie their boats to yours.
The core of the raft was an aircraft carrier.
Except our metaverse doesn’t even have the Black Sun
I’ve been looking for a business case for
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_large_floating_structure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_large_floating_structure
Does anyone remember the Freedom Ship?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Ship
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Ship
The largest cruise ship ever built is about to go in the bin without a single passenger ever setting foot on board. If they really think this can work, they could do a PoC using that.
Which, of course, they won't.
Which, of course, they won't.
Psst: and, apparently, just hours ago, removed from said bin by a giant rat:
https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/28788-disney-...
https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/28788-disney-...
I don't think that ship is anything special. Or revolutionary. It is just that company run out of money before getting to expensive part that is interior.
What are you talking about? source?
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/cruise-...
https://interestingengineering.com/culture/9000-passenger-cr...
https://interestingengineering.com/culture/9000-passenger-cr...
plans also included the use of artificial intelligence (A.I.) for many customer-facing services while also using facial recognition systems to minimize queueing
Not sad to see that bit scrapped.
Not sad to see that bit scrapped.
Global Dream II
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/01/global-dream-ii-worlds-bigges...
It's a sad story from many angles - technical, environmental, political, economic.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/01/global-dream-ii-worlds-bigges...
It's a sad story from many angles - technical, environmental, political, economic.
Maybe this? This isn't THE biggest cruise ship ever built though.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/world-news/one-worlds-lar...
Awww, I thought it was. Merely very big, then.
It's about 2 aircraft carriers long, so not totally impossible as far as size. 5kt speed would make me very nervous about running aground on a lee shore when the gale picks up.
Stick an A1B reactor in her belly and sign me up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1B_reactor
Stick an A1B reactor in her belly and sign me up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1B_reactor
> 5kt speed
I usually try to be constructive regarding crazy ideas, but I have spent some time on the ocean and 5kts is a giant red flag for me. I would assume that it could maybe be workable if it stayed hundreds of km away from land/shallows unless accompanied by a flotilla of large tug boats.
Also: "Pangeos will be perpetually itinerant around our planet Earth."
Not sure how they could do that. It is larger than Panamax and Suezmax. The only other choice is going around the southern Capes and that is not something I can imagine doing in a ship limited to anything close to 5kts. The average wind speeds there are around 30kts.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Worldwide-average-wind-s...
I usually try to be constructive regarding crazy ideas, but I have spent some time on the ocean and 5kts is a giant red flag for me. I would assume that it could maybe be workable if it stayed hundreds of km away from land/shallows unless accompanied by a flotilla of large tug boats.
Also: "Pangeos will be perpetually itinerant around our planet Earth."
Not sure how they could do that. It is larger than Panamax and Suezmax. The only other choice is going around the southern Capes and that is not something I can imagine doing in a ship limited to anything close to 5kts. The average wind speeds there are around 30kts.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Worldwide-average-wind-s...
Small sailboats with hull speeds near 5 knots regularly and safely circumnavigate the globe, and can weather storms, and navigate the southern capes. Without engineering details on why it’s limited to 5 knots there’s no reason to think that’s a red flag. 5 knots is a speed against current, and ocean currents are much much less than that. Perhaps (likely) it would be able to still do 5 knots upwind in a storm.
>Small sailboats
Yes, SAIL boats which can configure their sails to move in directions other than downwind.
Yes, SAIL boats which can configure their sails to move in directions other than downwind.
Also, ships, particularly sailing ships/boats, have hull forms with significantly less drag in the direction they're trying to go, vs sideways. This things, shaped like a giant tortoise with those massive (presumably rigid ) flippers, not so much.
I don't understand your concern here. Sailboats can only sail ~45 degrees to the wind. This is a powerboat, so it can motor any direction, including directly upwind. Assuming the 5 knots is a hydrodynamic limitation of the (admittedly very silly) hull design rather than an engine power limitation (most likely, because you could always spec a more powerful motor), the boat could still go 5 knots any direction, including directly upwind into a storm.
Just because a boat is slow doesn't mean it can't handle a storm, even more-so with powerboats than sailboats. Case in point, look at old fashioned displacement trollers, e.g. an old wooden salmon troller. These usually have an ~8 knot top speed yet can run directly upwind into a storm for days on end with no problem, at almost exactly the same speed as they would go downwind... because the speed limitation is entirely from the hull speed and not affected by wind. Boats like that have been weathering the worst ocean storms for over a hundred years safely and reliably.
Just because a boat is slow doesn't mean it can't handle a storm, even more-so with powerboats than sailboats. Case in point, look at old fashioned displacement trollers, e.g. an old wooden salmon troller. These usually have an ~8 knot top speed yet can run directly upwind into a storm for days on end with no problem, at almost exactly the same speed as they would go downwind... because the speed limitation is entirely from the hull speed and not affected by wind. Boats like that have been weathering the worst ocean storms for over a hundred years safely and reliably.
Yes, but that displacement troller has a hull shaped like, well, a proper boat (or ship). I doubt the troller would be making significant forward speed against storm wind and seas if it was wider than it was long, like this abomination.
It's like an upscaled version https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_monitor_Novgorod except made for parting schmucks from their money instead of serving some military purpose.
(Well, in it's defence it seems at least the submerged part of it has some resemblance to, well, a hull form. Or several hulls bolted together.)
It's like an upscaled version https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_monitor_Novgorod except made for parting schmucks from their money instead of serving some military purpose.
(Well, in it's defence it seems at least the submerged part of it has some resemblance to, well, a hull form. Or several hulls bolted together.)
You're absolutely right, the skeuomorphic sea turtle shape is ridiculous, and this boat is a terrible idea. My disagreement here is only that a 5 knot top speed is not, by itself, a reason to dismiss a boat design without any other information.
This design is basically a square aspect ratio. One of the reasons one turns into the the wind is to reduce windage. Because this design is square, you get no real benefit from doing that. But that's just in a storm event, which would probably be fine way out to sea.
If you only have 5kts of speed to throw at the problem of navigation, you will almost always be getting pushed down wind. Again, this could be resolved with a bunch of very powerful tugs, which I suppose could escort the "ship" through troublesome areas. As in, anywhere near land or shallows.
Say there is a 30 knot wind blowing. You negate 5 knots of that. Now you are moving at a maximum of 25 knots in the wrong direction. Of course, this is limited by the hull speed, but I don't think it's the hull speed that limits this design to 5kts. So say it can get pushed through the water at 10 knots by the insane amount of energy absorbed via windage... that's 240 nautical miles per day. Possibly in the wrong direction! That's 444km or 276 miles. Assuming the wind could blow for 5 days in a direction towards land, that's a lot of distance from shore until the captain is happy.
Even if the hull speed is 5 knots, that's still a big problem once you multiply by time.
If you only have 5kts of speed to throw at the problem of navigation, you will almost always be getting pushed down wind. Again, this could be resolved with a bunch of very powerful tugs, which I suppose could escort the "ship" through troublesome areas. As in, anywhere near land or shallows.
Say there is a 30 knot wind blowing. You negate 5 knots of that. Now you are moving at a maximum of 25 knots in the wrong direction. Of course, this is limited by the hull speed, but I don't think it's the hull speed that limits this design to 5kts. So say it can get pushed through the water at 10 knots by the insane amount of energy absorbed via windage... that's 240 nautical miles per day. Possibly in the wrong direction! That's 444km or 276 miles. Assuming the wind could blow for 5 days in a direction towards land, that's a lot of distance from shore until the captain is happy.
Even if the hull speed is 5 knots, that's still a big problem once you multiply by time.
Commercial SMRs might be more economic than a military reactor.
Especially if you have tons of space like here.
Especially if you have tons of space like here.
If you cannot achieve basic subject-verb agreement, I have zero faith in your ability to do anything at all with competence, much less build the world's largest floating structure.
"The project extend his length for 550 meters" "Once dried the terrain will possible to start preparing the basement area" "This space provide an unsinkable floating solution" "it's capable to guest up to 60,000 accommodations." "Immagine to join together the world biggest yacht firms in an unique project."
"The project extend his length for 550 meters" "Once dried the terrain will possible to start preparing the basement area" "This space provide an unsinkable floating solution" "it's capable to guest up to 60,000 accommodations." "Immagine to join together the world biggest yacht firms in an unique project."
How are you going to feed 60k people if it is “itinerant”?
How are you going to dispose of trash and waste?
It will have to be kept close to shore near a sizable port and have constant stream of supply and waste ferry traffic.
How are you going to dispose of trash and waste?
It will have to be kept close to shore near a sizable port and have constant stream of supply and waste ferry traffic.
> How are you going to dispose of trash and waste?
An answer may be found in Mykle Hansen's novella "Crazy Shitting Planet", where the rich live in such structures in the air and just let it all rain on the rest of the world.
Obviously satire, but not really contradicted by the historical record.
An answer may be found in Mykle Hansen's novella "Crazy Shitting Planet", where the rich live in such structures in the air and just let it all rain on the rest of the world.
Obviously satire, but not really contradicted by the historical record.
Is this the next wave of NFT scams?
Promise something that will never be build but in the mean time sell some NFTs and metaverse stuff?
Promise something that will never be build but in the mean time sell some NFTs and metaverse stuff?
At the cost of only $8 billion, I'm surprised that more megaprojects like this aren't being done.
What monuments are we leaving for future generations? Why isn't anyone building a Great-Pyramid-of-Giza sized project every hundred years?
What monuments are we leaving for future generations? Why isn't anyone building a Great-Pyramid-of-Giza sized project every hundred years?
Does the Great Pacific Garbage Patch count?
The UK is in the Atlantic ocean not in the Pacific.
Ha! I'm planning to collect the GPGP and turn it into a large artificial floating structure. Floating in the air. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_Nine_(sphere)
(It's mostly a stunt to show humanity that we can do great things.)
(It's mostly a stunt to show humanity that we can do great things.)
A great Stack Exchange answer on the feasibility of such a structure.
https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/36667/can-...
https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/36667/can-...
I just skimmed it. Folks are having fun. :) The question isn't what material to use, it's how big do you have to be (with a given material) to float? You can always just make your sphere bigger, eh? (That's kinda the point. It would actually be really really inconvenient to live in a Cloud Nine, no?)
Anyway, I'm also going to use kites. (E.g. Imagine the Cloud Nine with a skirt like the Rings of Saturn, rotating, with the individual "cells" of the kite membrane modulated to afford directional control... Or Magnus Effect "cilia" that manipulate the envelope of air around the sphere...)
Anyway, I'm also going to use kites. (E.g. Imagine the Cloud Nine with a skirt like the Rings of Saturn, rotating, with the individual "cells" of the kite membrane modulated to afford directional control... Or Magnus Effect "cilia" that manipulate the envelope of air around the sphere...)
Saudi Arabia is working on that super-expensive and fancy "The Line" city project.
Which is, frankly, an idiotic waste of money.
Insufficient belief in the afterlife. Today's billionaires are content to burn out in a streak across the sky.
The missing figure on the website is an estimate of the amount of greenhouse gases emitted for this project, both during construction and throughout its operation.
Enough to drive demand for floating habition. It's a celebration of greed that is rationalized by pretending to be a parody.
Very affordable at a price of 16 milliNEOMs!
It seems like one of the big still largely unsolved problems here is that of connection among units. Even very compact cities sprawl out and have constant contact with markets through transportation. Having relatively easy connections between habitable units, in this case ships of various sorts, lowers the pressure to build big and makes large groupings possible by facilitating transportation.
Currently there is an example of this in carrier groups. These consist of many types of ship that travel together and depend on supply ships. To transfer goods between ships there are specialized cranes that set up cable connections that handle the cargo. Improving this technology so that even basic boats available to the public could make reliable exchanges at sea could really help. Or maybe the solution is to launch and recover small vessels that travel between boats. Only development and experimentation will really tell. In any case, any seagoing enterprise with many people and industries will have to have a great deal of exchange with other vessels or remain close to coastal sources of supplies. It may make more sense to think of this whole enterprise more in terms of logistics than being about structures.
Currently there is an example of this in carrier groups. These consist of many types of ship that travel together and depend on supply ships. To transfer goods between ships there are specialized cranes that set up cable connections that handle the cargo. Improving this technology so that even basic boats available to the public could make reliable exchanges at sea could really help. Or maybe the solution is to launch and recover small vessels that travel between boats. Only development and experimentation will really tell. In any case, any seagoing enterprise with many people and industries will have to have a great deal of exchange with other vessels or remain close to coastal sources of supplies. It may make more sense to think of this whole enterprise more in terms of logistics than being about structures.
What value does this add to its users?
Most of the rich want extreme privacy, they do not desire to life in villages or cities, they want lonely towers on fort like islands or remote bunkers with a view.
Here they do not get this, but they have the same costs as a normal yacht + tax costs to maintain the greater whole.
It does not even provide decoupling from all forms of society, as the underclass necessary to maintain the vessel could rebel. The turtle moves, back to the drawing board.
Most of the rich want extreme privacy, they do not desire to life in villages or cities, they want lonely towers on fort like islands or remote bunkers with a view.
Here they do not get this, but they have the same costs as a normal yacht + tax costs to maintain the greater whole.
It does not even provide decoupling from all forms of society, as the underclass necessary to maintain the vessel could rebel. The turtle moves, back to the drawing board.
"Unsinkable", yeah right.
I'll donate if they promise to christen it Great A'Tuin.
Reminds me of the story of Noah's ark.
(Shudder) I just imagined a sci-fi world in which this yacht is built and there are groups of feuding subcultures that live in different parts of the yacht.
Feuding, sort of like that Futurama episode where Bender gets lost in space and ends up hosting a civilization of Lilliputians.
(Shudder) I just imagined a sci-fi world in which this yacht is built and there are groups of feuding subcultures that live in different parts of the yacht.
Feuding, sort of like that Futurama episode where Bender gets lost in space and ends up hosting a civilization of Lilliputians.
Snowpiercer, but tropical.
Structurally. I look at that thing, especially the long flippers. Wouldn't this thing have crazy bending moments even in moderate sea states?
And then you consider rogue waves which lifts boats and cause them to collapse under their own weight and you can say good bye to these flippers.
Interesting to think that even if the project ran over budget and ended up costing double at $16 billion, Elon Musk could have built two of these and still had some billions to spare instead of buying twitter for $44 billion.
Except that maybe all the numbers are made up, so could easily cost 100 times as much.
They would even need to build a special construction factory/port, that alone could cost much more than 8 billion.
They would even need to build a special construction factory/port, that alone could cost much more than 8 billion.
Rich people would live on it and leave the problems of the poor behind.
Yes. This is a common theme with yachts.
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Another example of fraud at scale. Just like web3/crypto and, well, the current GOP Republican party: nothing but claims, obscure references to power, and personalities.
It doesn't have a runway! Even as a concept that feels like wasting precious floating real estate. The hyper rich need to arrive somehow.
The video has airplanes on the roof, next to the helicopters, presumably VTOL.
I don't see anywhere on the website an answer to 'why'. Or even asking the question.
Could call it the Elysium
A project like this must merge with Neom. Funding issues solved!
Absolutely no go because not enough room for non luxury people.
Ah, but the crew get to live in the lightless corridors underneath it all! What an opportunity for them!
I noticed that too. Which makes me see the project as more of a giant cruise ship than a floating EPCOT (Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow).
A giant cruise ship isn't very exciting. Whereas, a floating city where the government employees get to live the same quality of life as the residents would be something interesting.
A giant cruise ship isn't very exciting. Whereas, a floating city where the government employees get to live the same quality of life as the residents would be something interesting.
I'm actually surprised how little space there is in general. Maybe I'm missing something, or they've spent a little too much space on Villas.
The economics of cruise lines are very closely analogous to that of space travel. Making these ships habitable and building social cultures that can survive long periods on them will make other planets habitable. The only meaningful difference is propulsion.
I feel like there is a more cyberpunk future for cruise lines where once Starlink and remote work is more mature, living aboard one will be economical for a bunch of reasons like land costs, crime, tax domicile, identity. The part in the video with personal quadcopter taxis solves a bunch of dinghy problems
The World (large cruise ship with condominiums) was made for retired seniors, but a bunch of remote employees living on them getting paid electronically and paying for fuel, food, and maintenance is sort of the city state concept that dumber ideas (sovereign stationary sea platforms) got in their own way of implementing. Las Vegas began in a similar way, where it attracted revenue with gambling, where a ship would collect it from residents who made money via remote work. One could even try real socialism on board because in a closed environment it would be sure to work.[*] Maybe we launch a fleet of cruise ships and offer housing to people who can be trained in remote jobs, where each vessel lives under different systems of rule for a year or two, and see how they work out.
Edit: there is almost no public service administration job that could not be done remotely from one of these ships as well.
I feel like there is a more cyberpunk future for cruise lines where once Starlink and remote work is more mature, living aboard one will be economical for a bunch of reasons like land costs, crime, tax domicile, identity. The part in the video with personal quadcopter taxis solves a bunch of dinghy problems
The World (large cruise ship with condominiums) was made for retired seniors, but a bunch of remote employees living on them getting paid electronically and paying for fuel, food, and maintenance is sort of the city state concept that dumber ideas (sovereign stationary sea platforms) got in their own way of implementing. Las Vegas began in a similar way, where it attracted revenue with gambling, where a ship would collect it from residents who made money via remote work. One could even try real socialism on board because in a closed environment it would be sure to work.[*] Maybe we launch a fleet of cruise ships and offer housing to people who can be trained in remote jobs, where each vessel lives under different systems of rule for a year or two, and see how they work out.
Edit: there is almost no public service administration job that could not be done remotely from one of these ships as well.
So exactly who is going to collect the garbage and mop the floors?
The maintainance crews paid for by residents whose quarters are subsidized by the fees. Provided nobody catches a mind virus or they get offboarded before it can spread, it could work pretty well. Communes work pretty well until they don't on the same principles.
By "mind virus" do you mean the uppity notion that slavery is wrong?
By mind virus I mean being infected by interpreting one's circumstances through a lens that mainly serves to moralize envy and malice. Once someone has convinced you that you are a slave or a victim, it doesn't matter what you do to right the percieved wrong, the point is that now you can be relied upon to act with less humanity and dignity because you have internalized the self belief that you are somehow less than a full person, and that's sufficient for the purposes. It's a straight hustle and it's old as dirt.
There is plenty of dignity in sweeping floors, but only if you haven't given up your own basic human dignity first.
There is plenty of dignity in sweeping floors, but only if you haven't given up your own basic human dignity first.
Elysium 1.0
compensating much?
>Immagine to join together the world biggest yacht firms in an unique project. (None of the below brands are now involved yet in the project)
lol. i'm having a hard time believing this is anything other than the imaginings of some 15-year-old
lol. i'm having a hard time believing this is anything other than the imaginings of some 15-year-old
Oh I missed that fine print, I thought those brands were at least loosely engaged. That was actually the only thing adding credibility for me, oh well.
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It's a freakin' gigaturtle folks! There are reasons why real ships don't look like this. Ever. It's exceedingly unlikely that the makers of this site are serious about anything other than selling NFT's and maybe testing the waters with Meta.