Firearms channels embrace Rumble as YouTube starts censoring videos(reclaimthenet.org)
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Firearms channels embrace Rumble as YouTube starts censoring videos
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I am not pro-guns for civillians (I live in Australia, different society, different discussion), but I do love the engineering and I really enjoy Forgotten Weapons. That someone could watch the gratuitous violence in action films but not be allowed to watch a calm demonstration of the engineering and history of firearms is just hypocrisy. No different to banning books of historical significance because you don't like the content.
It's also frustrating that these policies are so often retroactively applied. Add all this onto an entirely non-functional music and copyright system and YouTube has become very antagonistic to creators. It is not just that their policies are getting worse, it's also just very difficult to comply, and even when you comply you still get sent through the automated flag systems once in a while.
It's also frustrating that these policies are so often retroactively applied. Add all this onto an entirely non-functional music and copyright system and YouTube has become very antagonistic to creators. It is not just that their policies are getting worse, it's also just very difficult to comply, and even when you comply you still get sent through the automated flag systems once in a while.
> Also also: are movie trailers that depict a gun being loaded with a > 30 rd magazine now banned? Or movie trailers that show any kind of modified weapon? How about video game footage?
> Also also: are movie trailers that depict a gun being loaded with a > 30 rd magazine now banned? Or movie trailers that show any kind of modified weapon? How about video game footage?
Rules do not apply to establishment corporate entities. You can find SNL sketches that use the N word on youtube. Youtube rents videos on their platform that has racist, etc language. Late night "comedy" shows could use vulgar terms/jokes without getting demonetized, banned, etc. It's just you can't. It's about reigning in the voice of the little guys and protecting corporate interests. Remember when youtube was about giving a platform to "you" - the little guys? The funny thing is that these guys support banning tiktok and giving youtube a greater monopoly. They, of all people, should be demanding more options. Where are they going to go once rumble does the same thing. After all, rumble is controlled by the same interests that control youtube.
SNL skit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuEBBwJdjhQ
Rules do not apply to establishment corporate entities. You can find SNL sketches that use the N word on youtube. Youtube rents videos on their platform that has racist, etc language. Late night "comedy" shows could use vulgar terms/jokes without getting demonetized, banned, etc. It's just you can't. It's about reigning in the voice of the little guys and protecting corporate interests. Remember when youtube was about giving a platform to "you" - the little guys? The funny thing is that these guys support banning tiktok and giving youtube a greater monopoly. They, of all people, should be demanding more options. Where are they going to go once rumble does the same thing. After all, rumble is controlled by the same interests that control youtube.
SNL skit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuEBBwJdjhQ
The Forgotten Weapons strike is the most brazen one. As a rule the channel is completely apolitical, and he covers guns purely in an informational or educational context.
I guess from Youtube's perspective - simply acknowledging that something exists is too controversial for the platform.
I can get that Youtube doesn't want domestic terrorist training videos up on the site, but it seems they have to at least acknowledge that you shouldn't really ban people doing perfectly legal things.
I guess from Youtube's perspective - simply acknowledging that something exists is too controversial for the platform.
I can get that Youtube doesn't want domestic terrorist training videos up on the site, but it seems they have to at least acknowledge that you shouldn't really ban people doing perfectly legal things.
Odysee is also a good choice 'along' with Rumble.
As far as I know, Odysee also has many 3D printed gun manufacturing channels with design specs posted on odysee itself. As Odysee deals with Video, Audio, Image, Text Files it becomes easier for 3D printed gun channels.
https://odysee.com/@Print2A:1 https://odysee.com/@nameisnight:3
As far as I know, Odysee also has many 3D printed gun manufacturing channels with design specs posted on odysee itself. As Odysee deals with Video, Audio, Image, Text Files it becomes easier for 3D printed gun channels.
https://odysee.com/@Print2A:1 https://odysee.com/@nameisnight:3
When a policy is created to push an agenda and ban legal content and yt is basically a monopoly (android), maybe it should lose its ability to censor content they dont like, as long as its legal.
This is where image recognition and automatic submissions of infractions against large companies, US Military, news, White House, movie studios, etc… might be warranted. All these channels show varying content that’s described in the article.
Of course corporations will be exempt.
So I presume almost every hollywood movie trailer will be banned now?
HAHAHA of course not! Rules for thee.
HAHAHA of course not! Rules for thee.
I'm not sure how these rules would apply to movie magazines though, it really depends on how you treat infinity mathematically, are Hollywood magazines positive infinity or negative infinity capacity?
The weird thing about this ban is that it applies to extremely specific actions. The creators have to do things like blur out suppressors like their penises, but only when they are being attached to the barrel
Big Business advances government interests. I'm not surprised. This current administration is brazenly anti-2A and pushing corporations to get in line or feel the squeeze.
Google has strayed so far from their original "Don't be Evil" motto. I wonder if Sergei and Larry are embarrassed about it. They should be, but I think it's more likely they just don't care.
Well said! This is purely those in control of a platform imparting their views on users because they can. The challenge is (one of the challenges) is the “rules” change on the fly for no particular reason or some contrived reason citing “safety” or … your guess is as good as mine. Maybe next week it will be a ban on drones with more the 6 motors doing “risky” maneuvers or pit pull dogs because they are “dangerous” (silly example: dog owner; dogs aren’t dangerous, stupid owners that don’t train, socialize, handle K9s properly are) or home made ice cream making because sugar is bad for you. I mean where does this end? These decisions should be more community powered, IMO.
They are not role models anymore. Billionaires are all rotten. the power corrupts them every single time. These two lost their souls long ago
Or maybe, just maybe, Google is responding to the recent string of mass shootings.
I wonder if people like you support anything other than the redistribution of consequences. Seems like bread and butter at this point.
What does that even mean? "Redistribution of consequences"?
Because the culture around firearms in the US sees a lot of families bearing the consequences of easy access to firearms.
Are you concerned about the redistribution of those consequences also?
Because the culture around firearms in the US sees a lot of families bearing the consequences of easy access to firearms.
Are you concerned about the redistribution of those consequences also?
America has had a “culture of firearms” for pretty much its entire history, but mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon. Indeed, that culture has faded as urbanization has taken hold: the percentage of households with guns is significantly smaller today than even the 1990s, much less the 1960s.
The “culture of firearms” isn’t what changed. It was all the other cultural and technological changes: destruction of the American family, internet that allows dangerous subcultures to communicate, media that publicizes mass shooters, etc.
The “culture of firearms” isn’t what changed. It was all the other cultural and technological changes: destruction of the American family, internet that allows dangerous subcultures to communicate, media that publicizes mass shooters, etc.
America hasn't had a culture of universal personal ownership of high-capacity semi-automatic long guns for it's entire history, or really even a significant portion of its entire history. The culture of firearms has absolutely changed, markedly, within our own lifetimes.
Redistribution of consequences, as in you seeking to punish someone for something another person did.
I'm not sure that trying to control the sale of certain firearms is a punishment, even if some people perceive it as such. I can no longer buy semi-auto centrefires thanks to a terrorist who shot up a mosque. I was somewhat disappointed about that because there were a few I wanted to buy for nostalgia's sake, like the L1A1 model that my Dad carried in Vietnam.
But I never needed them for hunting, they would've simply been one of those "cool to have" purchases - like a 4800 piece Lego star destroyer, I don't need it, but it'd be cool.
So was I punished when my previous right to buy a semi-auto centre-fire was removed? Or was my society made somewhat safer because it's now very hard to obtain guns that were designed as weapons for use against other humans first and foremost?
At the intersection between the right to bear arms, and the right to not be shot at school or the mosque or the gay nightclub, which right should win?
But I never needed them for hunting, they would've simply been one of those "cool to have" purchases - like a 4800 piece Lego star destroyer, I don't need it, but it'd be cool.
So was I punished when my previous right to buy a semi-auto centre-fire was removed? Or was my society made somewhat safer because it's now very hard to obtain guns that were designed as weapons for use against other humans first and foremost?
At the intersection between the right to bear arms, and the right to not be shot at school or the mosque or the gay nightclub, which right should win?
> like a 4800 piece Lego star destroyer,
This, funny enough, is all you needed to say to completely delineate your entire political view.
> So was I punished when my previous right to buy a semi-auto centre-fire was removed? Or was my society made somewhat safer because it's now very hard to obtain guns that were designed as weapons for use against other humans first and foremost?
Fallacy, making guns harder to acquire does not stop crime. Turns out, criminals don't follow laws. Shucks. Want evidence? Everything south of the border. The entire state of Illinois. Los Angeles. Italy. The list goes on. Oh, are you going to cite Australia? They collected a laughably small amount of guns from the population during their gun ban. So small in fact the number is never quoted because it is actually evidence gun bans don't and will never work (< 20%). The only reason they were even that successful (that is to say, not at all) is because they are literally surrounded on all sides by water and their only natural enemies are themselves.
Let me introduce a counter argument:
Why is it that when we talk about hard drugs, abortion, etc "banning it doesn't work" but when we talk about guns the only solution is to ban them with prejudice? Is it because "those things don't kill people"? Because, current there's a literal war going on in Mexico. You know, the place where all the fentanyl murdering US citizens comes from. Leave my rights alone.
> At the intersection between the right to bear arms, and the right to not be shot at school or the mosque or the gay nightclub, which right should win?
The right to bear arms, which when properly executed protects the mosque and the night club. But yeah, use a false dichotomy to further dig yourself deeper into a hole you'll never surface from.
This, funny enough, is all you needed to say to completely delineate your entire political view.
> So was I punished when my previous right to buy a semi-auto centre-fire was removed? Or was my society made somewhat safer because it's now very hard to obtain guns that were designed as weapons for use against other humans first and foremost?
Fallacy, making guns harder to acquire does not stop crime. Turns out, criminals don't follow laws. Shucks. Want evidence? Everything south of the border. The entire state of Illinois. Los Angeles. Italy. The list goes on. Oh, are you going to cite Australia? They collected a laughably small amount of guns from the population during their gun ban. So small in fact the number is never quoted because it is actually evidence gun bans don't and will never work (< 20%). The only reason they were even that successful (that is to say, not at all) is because they are literally surrounded on all sides by water and their only natural enemies are themselves.
Let me introduce a counter argument:
Why is it that when we talk about hard drugs, abortion, etc "banning it doesn't work" but when we talk about guns the only solution is to ban them with prejudice? Is it because "those things don't kill people"? Because, current there's a literal war going on in Mexico. You know, the place where all the fentanyl murdering US citizens comes from. Leave my rights alone.
> At the intersection between the right to bear arms, and the right to not be shot at school or the mosque or the gay nightclub, which right should win?
The right to bear arms, which when properly executed protects the mosque and the night club. But yeah, use a false dichotomy to further dig yourself deeper into a hole you'll never surface from.
> Oh, are you going to cite Australia? They collected a laughably small amount of guns from the population during their gun ban.
Gun ban?
In Australia?
That's news to me and I've lived here since 1960 and currently live next door to my father who's been here since 1935.
I'm guessing you're referring to the time when Australian Gun Laws were made uniform across the entire country .. and Queensland and Tasmania were pulled into line with other states.
Now, as before, 12 year olds can join gun clubs in Australia, and they can buy their own guns when they reach maturity - the onerous requirements to own a gun here are not dissimilar to those required for a drivers licence or to handle poisionous or explosive materials.
Regulation works, you see from the number of mass shootings in Australia since we introduced uniform regulation, in twenty+ years we've had fewer than you can count on one hand .. somewhat less than the 50+ the USofA has had in January 2023.
I agree that making guns harder to acquire doesn't stop crime - that's a foolish notion. But it absolutely reduces gun crime by a significant degree.
For your entertainment, here's my actual real life neighbour in the West Australian wheatbelt doing his annual 5,000 yard shooting exercise.
It's worth a look for the flight path drone footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7owwTz7Z0OE
Gun ban?
In Australia?
That's news to me and I've lived here since 1960 and currently live next door to my father who's been here since 1935.
I'm guessing you're referring to the time when Australian Gun Laws were made uniform across the entire country .. and Queensland and Tasmania were pulled into line with other states.
Now, as before, 12 year olds can join gun clubs in Australia, and they can buy their own guns when they reach maturity - the onerous requirements to own a gun here are not dissimilar to those required for a drivers licence or to handle poisionous or explosive materials.
Regulation works, you see from the number of mass shootings in Australia since we introduced uniform regulation, in twenty+ years we've had fewer than you can count on one hand .. somewhat less than the 50+ the USofA has had in January 2023.
I agree that making guns harder to acquire doesn't stop crime - that's a foolish notion. But it absolutely reduces gun crime by a significant degree.
For your entertainment, here's my actual real life neighbour in the West Australian wheatbelt doing his annual 5,000 yard shooting exercise.
It's worth a look for the flight path drone footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7owwTz7Z0OE
> This, funny enough, is all you needed to say to completely delineate your entire political view.
I'm intrigued as to your reasoning when I was simply giving an a comparative example to a semi-auto 7.62mm - fun to play with, but unnecessary. If I ever need the ability to fire multiple .308 rounds at a deer, I have failed to stalk my prey properly, or failed to sight my shot correctly.
Anyway, have you ever tried keeping the crosshairs on the target with a semi-auto 7.62mm? Unless you've whacked a rather heavy suppressor (ironically enough, legal in my country, unlike the USA) on the end, recoil is going to make accurate semi-auto shooting impossible.
But, please do expand on how a Lego star destroyer totally explains everything about my political views, I'm genuinely curious how you could infer everything about me from that statement.
> Fallacy, making guns harder to acquire does not stop crime.
I never said that it "stopped crime", and I'm not sure how you parsed that from what I said.
> they are literally surrounded on all sides by water and their only natural enemies are themselves.
Oh, cool, yeah, the whole "if we banned assault rifles, they'd just come from Mexico" thing, when in reality, Mexican criminals get their assault rifles from the US. Weird, that.
> when we talk about guns the only solution is to ban them with prejudice?
Did I say that? Please quote me saying "ban all the guns". I own firearms myself, albeit for hunting as my country does not have a culture of owning guns to shoot other citizens. But admittedly, that does require having a Police force that people trust to protect them.
So I'm always very clear to state in these discussions that I don't think that "just ban all the guns, duh" would solve anything in the US, because the desire to own firearms for self-defence is merely the high level symptom of a very complex systematic problem.
> The right to bear arms, which when properly executed protects the mosque and the night club.
Ah, the ol "good guy with a gun" theory. Doesn't seem to be working super-well though, does it.
> But yeah, use a false dichotomy to further dig yourself deeper into a hole you'll never surface from.
I'm very happy digging further into the hole I currently reside in where my children don't have to practice active shooter drills at school.
I'm intrigued as to your reasoning when I was simply giving an a comparative example to a semi-auto 7.62mm - fun to play with, but unnecessary. If I ever need the ability to fire multiple .308 rounds at a deer, I have failed to stalk my prey properly, or failed to sight my shot correctly.
Anyway, have you ever tried keeping the crosshairs on the target with a semi-auto 7.62mm? Unless you've whacked a rather heavy suppressor (ironically enough, legal in my country, unlike the USA) on the end, recoil is going to make accurate semi-auto shooting impossible.
But, please do expand on how a Lego star destroyer totally explains everything about my political views, I'm genuinely curious how you could infer everything about me from that statement.
> Fallacy, making guns harder to acquire does not stop crime.
I never said that it "stopped crime", and I'm not sure how you parsed that from what I said.
> they are literally surrounded on all sides by water and their only natural enemies are themselves.
Oh, cool, yeah, the whole "if we banned assault rifles, they'd just come from Mexico" thing, when in reality, Mexican criminals get their assault rifles from the US. Weird, that.
> when we talk about guns the only solution is to ban them with prejudice?
Did I say that? Please quote me saying "ban all the guns". I own firearms myself, albeit for hunting as my country does not have a culture of owning guns to shoot other citizens. But admittedly, that does require having a Police force that people trust to protect them.
So I'm always very clear to state in these discussions that I don't think that "just ban all the guns, duh" would solve anything in the US, because the desire to own firearms for self-defence is merely the high level symptom of a very complex systematic problem.
> The right to bear arms, which when properly executed protects the mosque and the night club.
Ah, the ol "good guy with a gun" theory. Doesn't seem to be working super-well though, does it.
> But yeah, use a false dichotomy to further dig yourself deeper into a hole you'll never surface from.
I'm very happy digging further into the hole I currently reside in where my children don't have to practice active shooter drills at school.
When a pack of coyotes enters the pasture where my sheep are, a semi-auto 7.62mm is one of the best tools for the job. Can also be used when foxes go after my poultry. These are fast moving predators and despite being a practiced marksman, they're easy to miss and not being forced to re-load at an inopportune time really helps.
Given the size of a coyote, wouldn't a semi-auto .223 be far more effective? Given that they're fast moving.
In my own experience I'd say it would be 'just as' effective, rather than 'far more'. Both solve the problem in a nearly identical way in the field. I'm not saving the hides so I don't mind if they end up in little pieces.
> Anyway, have you ever tried keeping the crosshairs on the target with a semi-auto 7.62mm? Unless you've whacked a rather heavy suppressor (ironically enough, legal in my country, unlike the USA) on the end, recoil is going to make accurate semi-auto shooting impossible.
Militaries all over the world have employed semi-auto 7.62mm rifles for many years, including the L1A1 that you yourself brought up. You really should let them know that these weapons are impossible to shoot accurately. You would be doing a great public service by awakening them from their decades of folly.
Militaries all over the world have employed semi-auto 7.62mm rifles for many years, including the L1A1 that you yourself brought up. You really should let them know that these weapons are impossible to shoot accurately. You would be doing a great public service by awakening them from their decades of folly.
So no-one uses 7.62mm chambered guns as their standard infantry weapon now because...?
Hint:
1) Weight of ammunition
2) Recoil during sustained fire
In other words, thanks for confirming my point. After all there's a reason that purchasing an L1A1 is a nostalgia buy.
Hint:
1) Weight of ammunition
2) Recoil during sustained fire
In other words, thanks for confirming my point. After all there's a reason that purchasing an L1A1 is a nostalgia buy.
No, not "sustained" fire, whatever that means in this context, and not semi-automatic fire. Automatic fire [1].
> In 1954, the larger 7.62×51mm NATO rifle cartridge was selected as the first standard NATO rifle cartridge. At the time of selection there had been criticism that the recoil power of the 7.62×51mm NATO, when fired from a handheld lightweight modern service rifle, did not allow a sufficient automatic rate of fire for modern combat.
5.56mm NATO was explicitly introduced to make automatic fire from service rifles, which was thought to be useful during Vietnam, more practical, both in terms of recoil and in the number of rounds that an individual soldier could carry. That doctrine has more or less been abandoned, and the U.S. Army is moving back to a round that's much closer in size and energy to the 7.62mm NATO (.277 Fury/6.8x51mm) [2], [3].
Anecdotally, if you think a semi-auto 7.62 is uncontrollable, you haven't fired one. I have, and I promise it's not that bad. Here's a video of a guy shooting hammer pairs with a FAL: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_ov9Pm-qmNo
Does it look like he's having a hard time controlling it?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO#History
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM7_rifle
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.277_Fury
> In 1954, the larger 7.62×51mm NATO rifle cartridge was selected as the first standard NATO rifle cartridge. At the time of selection there had been criticism that the recoil power of the 7.62×51mm NATO, when fired from a handheld lightweight modern service rifle, did not allow a sufficient automatic rate of fire for modern combat.
5.56mm NATO was explicitly introduced to make automatic fire from service rifles, which was thought to be useful during Vietnam, more practical, both in terms of recoil and in the number of rounds that an individual soldier could carry. That doctrine has more or less been abandoned, and the U.S. Army is moving back to a round that's much closer in size and energy to the 7.62mm NATO (.277 Fury/6.8x51mm) [2], [3].
Anecdotally, if you think a semi-auto 7.62 is uncontrollable, you haven't fired one. I have, and I promise it's not that bad. Here's a video of a guy shooting hammer pairs with a FAL: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_ov9Pm-qmNo
Does it look like he's having a hard time controlling it?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO#History
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM7_rifle
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.277_Fury
Rest assured, my opinion on the utility of a semi-auto .308 for hunting was very much obtained first hand across several guns. Hence my comment on the suppressor. That was on a friend's Norinco knock-off of an M14, the difference the extra weight on the end of the barrel made to recoil control was very noticeable.
But as much fun as it was chucking $40 of ammo downrange as fast as I could, it was obvious that semi-auto offered no advantage whatsoever over bolt action for hunting when trying to hit the hilar[0] of a red deer at 200 yards.
Oh, and I should've mentioned the heat issues that .308 being fired rapidly cause to a barrel.
[0]: https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/f17/hilar-shot-55370/...
But as much fun as it was chucking $40 of ammo downrange as fast as I could, it was obvious that semi-auto offered no advantage whatsoever over bolt action for hunting when trying to hit the hilar[0] of a red deer at 200 yards.
Oh, and I should've mentioned the heat issues that .308 being fired rapidly cause to a barrel.
[0]: https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/f17/hilar-shot-55370/...
>At the intersection between the right to bear arms, and the right to not be shot at school or the mosque or the gay nightclub, which right should win?
Don't blame the object for the bad person behind it.
My rights supersede your feelings. You know those places you list are almost ALWAYS gun free zones right? Why not change the law, so anyone can carry concealed?
Bad people will always be out there, will always be armed.
Guy in TX church took out a shooter, could have been alot worse.
Don't blame the object for the bad person behind it.
My rights supersede your feelings. You know those places you list are almost ALWAYS gun free zones right? Why not change the law, so anyone can carry concealed?
Bad people will always be out there, will always be armed.
Guy in TX church took out a shooter, could have been alot worse.
You already have the right to not be shot at school. If I tried such a thing I would be jailed for it. What you’re proposing is to take things away from me preemptively for something other people have done. Seems like you don’t believe force is only justified in response to force.
>Insert magazines that are greater than 30 rounds into a firearm
>“Modify” firearms (YouTube’s definition of “modifying” includes installing accessories such as lights, hand guards, optics, and silencers
This makes no sense. I don't know of any municipality that bans > 30rd magazines. There are many that ban > 10, but who is banning > 30???
Also, you can posses the magazine, you can film yourself in possession of it, but you cannot insert it into the gun? That doesn't make sense.
Obvious political moves that they are trying to shoehorn into some sort of coherent policy after the fact.
Also, while much of gun YouTube is quite cringey, (I say this as someone who owns > a dozen guns), going after Forgotten Weapons is laughable. He is not political in any way. He's solely an extremely professional, extremely thorough historian, with higher quality, more wholesome content than 99.9% of Youtube.
Also also: are movie trailers that depict a gun being loaded with a > 30 rd magazine now banned? Or movie trailers that show any kind of modified weapon? How about video game footage?