TikTok Spied on Me. Why?(ft.com)
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TikTok Spied on Me. Why?
https://www.ft.com/content/0c0f9670-2e3a-4af8-bcd5-85e314f6ac5e
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Probably the same reason Google, and Facebook spy on you. Behavioral surplus to exploit, and profit from your perceived persona to advertisers.
In short, profiling, and assuming they know all about you to promote, deny, or manipulate various product price points.
Products from the physical, to services, to bank and mortgage costs.
In short, profiling, and assuming they know all about you to promote, deny, or manipulate various product price points.
Products from the physical, to services, to bank and mortgage costs.
That's completely different. TikTok employees specifically accessed her data to identify her sources. That type of behavior, which can reasonably be characterized as "spying", is not the same as what Google is doing.
> TikTok employees specifically accessed her data to identify her sources.
There was a highly publicised case at Facebook some years ago with the same behaviour.
If you think that only TikTok does that, think again.
There was a highly publicised case at Facebook some years ago with the same behaviour.
If you think that only TikTok does that, think again.
Source? If the FB case is highly publicised, you certainly have a link to it, or?
Not the person you responded to but a quick google returned this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/facebook-investiga...
I do remember this case when it happened. It was pretty major news. It is not isolated either. Here is an example of google doing it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/google-engineer-stalked-teen...
Oh and here is another good one where the Executives were involved:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/investigation-ebay-employees-st...
Seems like the other poster is right... this is par for the course
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/facebook-investiga...
I do remember this case when it happened. It was pretty major news. It is not isolated either. Here is an example of google doing it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/google-engineer-stalked-teen...
Oh and here is another good one where the Executives were involved:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/investigation-ebay-employees-st...
Seems like the other poster is right... this is par for the course
always the same, tiring whataboutism.
Whataboutism: the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.
This is not what happened here - here, the issue was explained with an analagous, well-known issue. That issue was not being raised, it was used in an illustrative way.
This is not what happened here - here, the issue was explained with an analagous, well-known issue. That issue was not being raised, it was used in an illustrative way.
I agree that it isn’t quite whataboutism, but the end result seems about the same: instead of evaluating the TikTok issue for what it is, we’re now trying to imagine how what TikTok is doing is somehow equivalent to what other social networks have done. I question the value of returning to this analogy over and over.
The problem I have with this line of thinking is that clearly the context is not the same, and there is a meaningful difference between these actions taken by a geopolitical adversary and these actions taken by SV growth hacker culture.
Both issues need to be addressed, but the analogy stretches thin once you add more context, making it a not very informative line of inquiry, IMO.
The problem I have with this line of thinking is that clearly the context is not the same, and there is a meaningful difference between these actions taken by a geopolitical adversary and these actions taken by SV growth hacker culture.
Both issues need to be addressed, but the analogy stretches thin once you add more context, making it a not very informative line of inquiry, IMO.
> I question the value of returning to this analogy over and over.
It highlights a sickness that every social network has, and explains the title of the article well using real-world examples that folks are likely to understand. I see what you're getting at with getting too deep into all the nuance a subject has, but the nuance in this case just isn't very thick: "social media" makes it's profit by using you as a resource, which means spying. If you use anything in that space, it will spy on you. And it is all for the same reasons.
That said, it doesn't have to be repeatedly discussed. That's fair! But this article is high up and generating comments, so I feel other folks don't agree with you :)
> there is a meaningful difference between these actions taken by a geopolitical adversary and these actions taken by SV growth hacker culture.
Both countries are about equally likely to throw me in prison or harm me in some way. SV also exists to funnel data into the spy complex of the US (just as TikTok probably does for China). For someone outside of the US (and even inside...) the threat levels are the same.
It highlights a sickness that every social network has, and explains the title of the article well using real-world examples that folks are likely to understand. I see what you're getting at with getting too deep into all the nuance a subject has, but the nuance in this case just isn't very thick: "social media" makes it's profit by using you as a resource, which means spying. If you use anything in that space, it will spy on you. And it is all for the same reasons.
That said, it doesn't have to be repeatedly discussed. That's fair! But this article is high up and generating comments, so I feel other folks don't agree with you :)
> there is a meaningful difference between these actions taken by a geopolitical adversary and these actions taken by SV growth hacker culture.
Both countries are about equally likely to throw me in prison or harm me in some way. SV also exists to funnel data into the spy complex of the US (just as TikTok probably does for China). For someone outside of the US (and even inside...) the threat levels are the same.
> always the same, tiring whataboutism
you keep using that word... whataboutism... I do not think it means what you think it means.
you keep using that word... whataboutism... I do not think it means what you think it means.
And as you can imagine, the follow up questions by the author about the incident were not answered.
This is not the same as Google or Facebook, or any other giants spying on people.
If it was really merely some TikTok's employees' own decision, then just like it's working atmosphere, it's culture is toxic.