Jobs working with the Rust programming language. No crypto(rustjobs.fyi)
rustjobs.fyi
Jobs working with the Rust programming language. No crypto
https://www.rustjobs.fyi/
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I think filtering out crypto makes sense even discounting any ethical issues. I wouldn't work for a defence contractor but many defence jobs are real, good jobs with benefits etc. That isn't true of the majority of crypto job postings I've come across. The crypto "ecosystem" is very much mostly scams and fly-by-night operations.
I feel the same about the crypto ecosystem, and yet this comment is correct. The value of the crypto jobs doesn't matter, and doesn't make the points go away.
A thoughtless idea that expresses something you like, is still a thoughtless idea and can't actually attain the desired goal everyone involved says they want.
It doesn't matter how much you also don't like the thing that the thoughtless idea aims to combat. It doesn't matter how much we all agree that most crypto jobs are bad.
A thoughtless idea that expresses something you like, is still a thoughtless idea and can't actually attain the desired goal everyone involved says they want.
It doesn't matter how much you also don't like the thing that the thoughtless idea aims to combat. It doesn't matter how much we all agree that most crypto jobs are bad.
You're not wrong! I don't want to see Rust cryptocurrency jobs, so I built this site. If you don't agree with that, then there are loads of great sites for finding Rust jobs in crypto. I'm not purporting to be the site for Rust jobs. It's simply a curated list selected by me.
Simply because it's not the case that 90% of all Rust job ads are from oil and gas companies. If there was some questionable section of business that also had a huge chunk of the rust job postings then I'm sure it would be that way.
The reason it isn't is because it isn't needed. And yes this is due to frustration. But it's an actual solution to an actual problem, not a hypothetical.
The reason it isn't is because it isn't needed. And yes this is due to frustration. But it's an actual solution to an actual problem, not a hypothetical.
Because it's probably less about central planning what jobs are ethical by your definitions and more about protecting people applying to jobs from shady crypto job postings. Not to say that it's a good decision though, however there is a large amount of bad looking crypto jobs advertised looking for Rust.
As someone who has looked for rust jobs before, I liked this link because in the past most rust jobs I found on the market were for blockchain or blockchain applications.
If you’re fine with those, any generic job aggregation site works
If you’re fine with those, any generic job aggregation site works
Because for whatever reason a very large fraction (in my subjective view majority but I don't have the data to back that up) of Rust job offers are cryptocurrency related. Some of us just don't care for it and don't want the noise so I like the idea behind this site.
Then just offer users the option to filter them? What's the point of refusing to post cryptocurrency related jobs beforehand? It's weird, useless posturing.
There are plenty such sites with filters. Though the labeling isn't always accurate.
I mean when you pick a job based on the language you’ll use and it’s the same language crypto companies love you have to ask yourself some questions (esp if you hate crypto)
Speaking from my own perspective of running general tech job boards [1], I would say that too narrow job boards have a really short lifespan.
This is because, you need a good supply of fresh offers to keep the audience. So if you end up to niche, you quickly become a job-ad-graveryard. Unless you scrap other big job sites automatically and somehow manage to filter and classify the jobs based on your niche.
[1] https://devitjobs.uk and https://devitjobs.us
This is because, you need a good supply of fresh offers to keep the audience. So if you end up to niche, you quickly become a job-ad-graveryard. Unless you scrap other big job sites automatically and somehow manage to filter and classify the jobs based on your niche.
[1] https://devitjobs.uk and https://devitjobs.us
Agreed. It's like single issue political parties. They make a point and then will disappear once people realise that a strong feeling about just one issue is actually a very small statement overall.
I guess I'd like to see this job board refocus to be a curated set of jobs, that are chosen by a group of technical experts and those who are trusted to vouch for good company cultures. It may be that no cryptocurrency jobs get through that filter! That may even be an unwritten rule. But the fact that it's not the tagline of the whole site would hopefully make it more impactful in the long run.
I guess I'd like to see this job board refocus to be a curated set of jobs, that are chosen by a group of technical experts and those who are trusted to vouch for good company cultures. It may be that no cryptocurrency jobs get through that filter! That may even be an unwritten rule. But the fact that it's not the tagline of the whole site would hopefully make it more impactful in the long run.
I don’t think Exxon or Monsanto are hiring a lot of Rust developers
... but Anduril sure does.
It’s impossible to make everyone happy when drawing a boundary. If enough people share the author’s frustrations, it won’t matter that the initial rules are “too specific and not specific enough” because they can evolve as the community evolves.
After all the same thing could have been said about the initial rules of Craigslist, Facebook, and many other projects that started narrow.
After all the same thing could have been said about the initial rules of Craigslist, Facebook, and many other projects that started narrow.
Watch out, Cloudflare is a crypto job since the company runs an IPFS gateway: https://developers.cloudflare.com/web3/ipfs-gateway/
Funny that you mention that Cloudflare runs a IPFS gateway which has nothing to do with cryptocurrencies, but you don't mention they also run gateways for Ethereum and Polygon, which are actual cryptocurrencies.
I'm not against Cryptocurrencies but it's definitely an industry that could be wiped out by lawmakers the moment they realize how "this internet thing works" or the moment they decide to do their cryptocurrency and screw the ones made by private citizens - so I feel a bit shaky working for an employer related to Crypto.
For example, in my country (in the EUSSR), if you're a third country national and doing something related to cryptocurrencies you won't be able to open a bank account and fail the requirement to immigrate here (happened to a friend of mine). Similarly if you try to buy a house with money coming from crypto you won't be able to physically put the money into the bank for "compliance".
So you are already cut out with buying real estate from banks and corporations and you need to find a private buyer happy to accept to be paid outside of the country (if you send money to his bank in the country, he will be hit with the same compliance problems).
Cryptocurrency tries to solve a political problem with technical means and I'm surprised it hasn't been banned yet - but I'm sure it won't end well, in one way or another. Mind you, one way could be that it turns into ETH where government regulations cover validators (eg. they banned money coming from the cryptotumbler) - but then we're back at just your standard banking systems, with more hoops.
For example, in my country (in the EUSSR), if you're a third country national and doing something related to cryptocurrencies you won't be able to open a bank account and fail the requirement to immigrate here (happened to a friend of mine). Similarly if you try to buy a house with money coming from crypto you won't be able to physically put the money into the bank for "compliance".
So you are already cut out with buying real estate from banks and corporations and you need to find a private buyer happy to accept to be paid outside of the country (if you send money to his bank in the country, he will be hit with the same compliance problems).
Cryptocurrency tries to solve a political problem with technical means and I'm surprised it hasn't been banned yet - but I'm sure it won't end well, in one way or another. Mind you, one way could be that it turns into ETH where government regulations cover validators (eg. they banned money coming from the cryptotumbler) - but then we're back at just your standard banking systems, with more hoops.
I wish we could go back to a world where 'crypto' means cryptography
Cryptography means cryptocurrency because that's what virtually every cryptographer was trying to achieve: cryptographically-secured interactions between people.
And economic interactions are the most impactful ones. Note that (Open)SSL was created when people really wanted to make CC payments over the internet.
Also: a lot of cryptographic protocols require some censorship-resistant publication medium. Wanna rotate keys and retire old ones? You need some sort of distributed transparency log. Want a human-readable name that escapes Zooko's triangle? Also need a log. These things did not exist until people got used to blockchains. Even CT log for TLS arrived only after Bitcoin, even though it does not require no mining or currency.
And economic interactions are the most impactful ones. Note that (Open)SSL was created when people really wanted to make CC payments over the internet.
Also: a lot of cryptographic protocols require some censorship-resistant publication medium. Wanna rotate keys and retire old ones? You need some sort of distributed transparency log. Want a human-readable name that escapes Zooko's triangle? Also need a log. These things did not exist until people got used to blockchains. Even CT log for TLS arrived only after Bitcoin, even though it does not require no mining or currency.
> And economic interactions are the most impactful ones.
Can you clarify that (I don't have anything for or against cryptocurrencies at the moment, now that the biggest scams exploded I'm neutral). Do you mean economic relationships are more important than other relationships?
Can you clarify that (I don't have anything for or against cryptocurrencies at the moment, now that the biggest scams exploded I'm neutral). Do you mean economic relationships are more important than other relationships?
If you bother to secure something, that is a high correlation with that which is impactful.
Some communications that fail, or leak, have less impact than others. In one case, we misunderstand each other about what's for dinner tonight. In another case, I lose my house.
Next, they said 'the most', so, I'm willing to bet that if you could tally up all communications and categorize those that are impactful (worth securing for more than just default principle reasons), and all that are economic, the overlap would be larger than not. Just an impression, could be wrong, but I'm pretty comfortable it's not a wildly mistaken one and reasonable to operate on that assumption.
Some communications that fail, or leak, have less impact than others. In one case, we misunderstand each other about what's for dinner tonight. In another case, I lose my house.
Next, they said 'the most', so, I'm willing to bet that if you could tally up all communications and categorize those that are impactful (worth securing for more than just default principle reasons), and all that are economic, the overlap would be larger than not. Just an impression, could be wrong, but I'm pretty comfortable it's not a wildly mistaken one and reasonable to operate on that assumption.
This reminds me of https://scrapingfish.com/blog/are-most-rust-jobs-in-crypto :)
What a relief – having to filter crypto out every time everytime I scope the market and think, "this is the day I'm finally quitting scientific computation on Python!", was a minor pain point. For a type of person with a different career background, espeiclaly "switchers", it's a good sane default.
(For the people who are trying to argue this is irrational and emotional – I promise you this isn't personal, and I promise you this isn't about making a clear, deeply-felt ideological stance. Truly, some tech people don't think about crypto that much.)
(For the people who are trying to argue this is irrational and emotional – I promise you this isn't personal, and I promise you this isn't about making a clear, deeply-felt ideological stance. Truly, some tech people don't think about crypto that much.)
Thank goodness. Every rust recruiter on LinkedIn seems to be crypto-shilling these days. This is exactly what I need!
Can't wait to do ethical work at Anduril!
Love how simple this is. Let's see how this scales when everyone starts adding their open positiobs!
Why are all cryptocurrency jobs excluded? Why aren't jobs around blockchain analysis for fraud or tax investigations allowed?
The result is a feeling that this site is an emotional response to an individual's frustrations, rather than a meaningful attempt to change the job market.