Tesla Must Give Driver-Assist Demonstration with Every US Sale(bloomberg.com)
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Tesla Must Give Driver-Assist Demonstration with Every US Sale
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-25/musk-orders-tesla-driver-assist-testing-before-all-new-sales
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If you read the article (or just the subheadline), you would know that the person who is saying they must do this is Elon Musk, the CEO of Tesla.
> Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that".
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Supply a link to a non-paywalled version and maybe reading of the article would be an option.
All you have to do is put a period after the .com Aka https://www.bloomberg.com./news/articles/2024-03-25/musk-ord...
thanks for the tip
If you read my comment, you would know the information is in the subheadline, above the paywall.
"New requirement will slow delivery process, Musk says in memo"
This tells me nothing about the how and why this decision was made. All it is says to me is the CEO of the company is complaining about the decision in a way that matches my comment's realization.
What is your point in this worthless "Did you read the TFA" nonsense. You are not contributing to the discussion in a positive manner at all. You just want to sound high and mighty about reading comprehension of sub-headlines that don't actually answer anything.
Edit: after using the com. trick:
"Tesla Inc. staff are now required to install and demonstrate the company’s driver-assistance technology before handing cars over to buyers in North America, a “hard requirement” that Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk says will slow deliveries."
So, once again, I ask how a Tesla employee is going to do this. There are no dealerships for me to buy a Tesla and take delivery from them at that location fully staffed by Tesla employees. If I buy a Tesla, it is delivered to me directly. Again, is there a Tesla employee delivering that car that is going to show me this feature? If not, how will I get this demo?
This tells me nothing about the how and why this decision was made. All it is says to me is the CEO of the company is complaining about the decision in a way that matches my comment's realization.
What is your point in this worthless "Did you read the TFA" nonsense. You are not contributing to the discussion in a positive manner at all. You just want to sound high and mighty about reading comprehension of sub-headlines that don't actually answer anything.
Edit: after using the com. trick:
"Tesla Inc. staff are now required to install and demonstrate the company’s driver-assistance technology before handing cars over to buyers in North America, a “hard requirement” that Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk says will slow deliveries."
So, once again, I ask how a Tesla employee is going to do this. There are no dealerships for me to buy a Tesla and take delivery from them at that location fully staffed by Tesla employees. If I buy a Tesla, it is delivered to me directly. Again, is there a Tesla employee delivering that car that is going to show me this feature? If not, how will I get this demo?
The car doesn't drive itself to you. A human is involved in the process. Now they'll just have to be a little more involved.
> There are no dealerships for me to buy a Tesla and take delivery from them at that location fully staffed by Tesla employees.
There are no dealerships but there are plenty of stores and delivery centers.
https://www.tesla.com/findus/list/stores/United+States
> If I buy a Tesla, it is delivered to me directly.
Not always. https://www.tesla.com/support/taking-delivery
> What is your point in this worthless "Did you read the TFA" nonsense.
I find it very funny you were blaming bureaucrats for something Elon Musk did of his own volition, clearly because you did not read the article.
There are no dealerships but there are plenty of stores and delivery centers.
https://www.tesla.com/findus/list/stores/United+States
> If I buy a Tesla, it is delivered to me directly.
Not always. https://www.tesla.com/support/taking-delivery
> What is your point in this worthless "Did you read the TFA" nonsense.
I find it very funny you were blaming bureaucrats for something Elon Musk did of his own volition, clearly because you did not read the article.
The new version of FSD 12.3 is pretty damn impressive. I suspect this is because they think they will convert more people to buying the software via subscription.
>The new version of FSD 12.3 is pretty damn impressive.
Ahh, so reality is nearing the marketing lies from a decade ago, finally. Neat!
Ahh, so reality is nearing the marketing lies from a decade ago, finally. Neat!
Weird way to say they released a tech demo a while back of what they would eventually ship and now they have shipped it.
Weird way to defend a company that did exactly that.
October 2014 Tesla starts equipping Model S sedans with hardware that can automate some steering, braking, and acceleration functions. Although the software is not yet active, it calls the feature Autopilot. -Consumer Reports
Autopilot, how it's sold, does not equate to "tech demo" in any circumstance, context or scenario. It's marketing garbage to sell more cars by mislabeling a feature that may exist a decade later.
Now that we're a decade later, it's still not what it was promised, but ok!
October 2014 Tesla starts equipping Model S sedans with hardware that can automate some steering, braking, and acceleration functions. Although the software is not yet active, it calls the feature Autopilot. -Consumer Reports
Autopilot, how it's sold, does not equate to "tech demo" in any circumstance, context or scenario. It's marketing garbage to sell more cars by mislabeling a feature that may exist a decade later.
Now that we're a decade later, it's still not what it was promised, but ok!
I don't know what you're talking about. Autopilot did "automate some steering, braking, and acceleration functions" and was released in 2015.
This conversation is about a different feature called FSD, of which a tech demo video was shown in 2016. My car can currently do everything that was shown in that tech demo.
This conversation is about a different feature called FSD, of which a tech demo video was shown in 2016. My car can currently do everything that was shown in that tech demo.
I'm not surprised you don't know what I'm talking about.
Have a great day!
Have a great day!
It was a fancy way of saying "you're wrong".
One man's techno optimism is another man's lies.
And the only time that matters is when one of them is spending money.
It's always been a foolish position, to consider that one a short term bet.
Possibly, or it could also be from all of the high-publicized deaths from (mis)use of the feature
did i miss something - which deaths are you referring to?
Easy to google "tesla self-driving car death" - but I think the OP was referring to the over-publicized deaths by media searching for clicks. In reality, self-driving cars are already much saver than your average driver.
There'll be many people posting anecdotes of Tesla crashes, and in each case, maybe autopilot was a factor, maybe not. But, in reality, autopilot is just safer than average drivers. Anecdotes of autopilot failures create an emotional response, but nobody talks about anecdotes of deaths due to people driving poorly since it's such a common occurrence. So you also have an asymmetry there.
I'd love to hear a stronger anti-self-driving argument. The mainstream anti-self-driving arguments, I find, are weak. Bring it on HN!
There'll be many people posting anecdotes of Tesla crashes, and in each case, maybe autopilot was a factor, maybe not. But, in reality, autopilot is just safer than average drivers. Anecdotes of autopilot failures create an emotional response, but nobody talks about anecdotes of deaths due to people driving poorly since it's such a common occurrence. So you also have an asymmetry there.
I'd love to hear a stronger anti-self-driving argument. The mainstream anti-self-driving arguments, I find, are weak. Bring it on HN!
Autopilot is just fancy cruise control. There have been lots of deaths on normal and fancy cruise control for all car brands.
AFAICT there has only been one Full Self Driving death.
AFAICT there has only been one Full Self Driving death.
Hans von Ohain, a former Tesla employee, was killed after his Tesla Model 3 veered off a Colorado road and into a tree, where the vehicle caught fire.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2024/t...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2024/t...
So there has been a grand total of 1? jasongill's original comment implied that there were a lot of them.
Wikipedia documents some: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#Fatal_crashes
This site claims 42: https://www.tesladeaths.com/
They can be difficult to classify. I don't have a link handy, but I've seen reports that FSD/Autopilot disengages moments before an inevitable accident, allowing Tesla to claim that the systems were not engaged and imply they were not at fault. I haven't seen an investigation into whether this is true and, if so, whether the system was designed for the purpose of misleading claims.
This site claims 42: https://www.tesladeaths.com/
They can be difficult to classify. I don't have a link handy, but I've seen reports that FSD/Autopilot disengages moments before an inevitable accident, allowing Tesla to claim that the systems were not engaged and imply they were not at fault. I haven't seen an investigation into whether this is true and, if so, whether the system was designed for the purpose of misleading claims.
That's Autopilot, aka cruise control, not Full Self Driving.
Elon Musk said he couldn't have been on FSD as the software had never been downloaded to his car: https://www.drive.com.au/news/elon-musk-denies-fsd-caused-fa...
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sounds a lot like some bureaucrat trying to make a name for themselves in the name of safety, or possibly even in the unnamed contributor that happens to also be in the car sales business