Rethinking School Design(architizer.com)
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Rethinking School Design
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I see no mention of the guiding principles for schools of the past. They were built to be cheap, long lasting, and durable (storm shelters). Every one of these newer building looks like a high priced and high maintenance design. I don't see any problem with the old bland cinderblock design. I feel that much of the psychology around the building looks is forgetting that people get used to things and that bland isn't necessarily bad if the other content and decor are the primary focus (as they should be Inna school).
This was very much my first thought as well, that the costs of these buildings are far higher than schools of the past. It's good to want nice things, but there is a tradeoff.
There is a new highschool being built in my community to replace an aging one. The time and cost overruns of the custom designed building, featuring a towering atrium/lobby and ascetically pleasing frontage, has pushed back the move-in date to midsemester/next year.
Part of me loves that these schools look so much nicer and contain an environment better than the ones I went to growing up---another part of me knows that we have _many_ schools that need replacing of the same age as this new one's predecessor, and hardly a budget capable of doing so if they all are to be completed similarly.
Our drive and desire for "nicer" things (or at least things that dress up well), when we can barely fund the necessities, seems to be a hard dichotomy to deal with. How do we accomplish both?
There is a new highschool being built in my community to replace an aging one. The time and cost overruns of the custom designed building, featuring a towering atrium/lobby and ascetically pleasing frontage, has pushed back the move-in date to midsemester/next year.
Part of me loves that these schools look so much nicer and contain an environment better than the ones I went to growing up---another part of me knows that we have _many_ schools that need replacing of the same age as this new one's predecessor, and hardly a budget capable of doing so if they all are to be completed similarly.
Our drive and desire for "nicer" things (or at least things that dress up well), when we can barely fund the necessities, seems to be a hard dichotomy to deal with. How do we accomplish both?
This feels like a very important question: why the hell don't we seem to be able to do this efficiently, despite our vast resources and all the advances we've made in engineering, materials science, and automation in recent decades?
As much as the leftie in me wants to say we're not funding it, we are. Per-student, inflation-adjusted funding for education has gone up a full 50% in my lifetime [1], to more than $18k per student-year. $18k is a lot - for a classroom of 30 students, that's half a million dollars a year. We have the money, and indeed far more money than we once had, in a world where things are cheaper and easier. We should be able to do everything we did generations ago and then some. Sure, there are demands we make now that we didn't make then (like "maybe not with the asbestos", "kids with wheelchairs should be able to get places", and "maybe people with learning disabilities should get a chance"), but I have a hard time believing that those are adding >50% in real terms.
To me, the interesting question isn't the trade-offs, it's why we need to make them at all. It seems like we shouldn't.
The most appealing explanation to me is that there's a sort of low-grade hum of background corruption that is hard to detect but acting as a sort of friction on public-works projects. But that's hard enough to falsify that it's hard to be too confident in it, either.
[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/203118/expenditures-per-...
As much as the leftie in me wants to say we're not funding it, we are. Per-student, inflation-adjusted funding for education has gone up a full 50% in my lifetime [1], to more than $18k per student-year. $18k is a lot - for a classroom of 30 students, that's half a million dollars a year. We have the money, and indeed far more money than we once had, in a world where things are cheaper and easier. We should be able to do everything we did generations ago and then some. Sure, there are demands we make now that we didn't make then (like "maybe not with the asbestos", "kids with wheelchairs should be able to get places", and "maybe people with learning disabilities should get a chance"), but I have a hard time believing that those are adding >50% in real terms.
To me, the interesting question isn't the trade-offs, it's why we need to make them at all. It seems like we shouldn't.
The most appealing explanation to me is that there's a sort of low-grade hum of background corruption that is hard to detect but acting as a sort of friction on public-works projects. But that's hard enough to falsify that it's hard to be too confident in it, either.
[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/203118/expenditures-per-...
The answer is simple, we've been ever expanding the number of roles for maintaining a school.
For example, pretty much every school now-a-days has 1 or multiple SROs assigned to their schools. Cops get paid quite well which means throwing an additional $250k+ into everyone's budget.
Every school now has an IT department which practically did not exist in the past. That costs money.
Then there is just general admin bloat that takes an excessive chunk of money out of schools (For example, PR and marketing for public schools... which is a bit ridiculous, but you district almost certainly is employing them).
There are also just general infrastructure bills coming due with construction prices being higher than ever. Schools built in the 70s are often in desperate need of repair/refurbishment.
Corruption may play a role, but I suspect the way it mostly manifests itself is a principle hiring their do-nothing family member in a role they aren't qualified to fill (so they double fill it).
For example, pretty much every school now-a-days has 1 or multiple SROs assigned to their schools. Cops get paid quite well which means throwing an additional $250k+ into everyone's budget.
Every school now has an IT department which practically did not exist in the past. That costs money.
Then there is just general admin bloat that takes an excessive chunk of money out of schools (For example, PR and marketing for public schools... which is a bit ridiculous, but you district almost certainly is employing them).
There are also just general infrastructure bills coming due with construction prices being higher than ever. Schools built in the 70s are often in desperate need of repair/refurbishment.
Corruption may play a role, but I suspect the way it mostly manifests itself is a principle hiring their do-nothing family member in a role they aren't qualified to fill (so they double fill it).
> Corruption may play a role, but I suspect the way it mostly manifests itself is a principle hiring their do-nothing family member in a role they aren't qualified to fill (so they double fill it).
But (assuming that this is a correct claim, which seems plausible but which I don't think I can prove) that IS corruption. What else would you call that? It's people in whom we entrust our public resources funneling them to their friends.
But (assuming that this is a correct claim, which seems plausible but which I don't think I can prove) that IS corruption. What else would you call that? It's people in whom we entrust our public resources funneling them to their friends.
Why would school need a cop?
Because who else is going to handcuff and tase a 7 year old before arresting them and taking them to juvie for not turning in their homework?
For real, though, it's because we've made it a social taboo for teachers to touch children or to strike back to defend themselves, and the troubled kids whose parents gave them up for emotional adoption to Youtube and Tiktok know this and would nefariously exploit the power imbalance if it were not for the very real and plausible threat of being tackled by a 40%-chance-of-being-a-wife-abuser washed up former highschool football player too stupid to get a bach degree that is legally allowed to execute them without consequence.
For real, though, it's because we've made it a social taboo for teachers to touch children or to strike back to defend themselves, and the troubled kids whose parents gave them up for emotional adoption to Youtube and Tiktok know this and would nefariously exploit the power imbalance if it were not for the very real and plausible threat of being tackled by a 40%-chance-of-being-a-wife-abuser washed up former highschool football player too stupid to get a bach degree that is legally allowed to execute them without consequence.
Touching kids is a no-no over here, across the sea, but security is only patrolling overnight. Not during school hours.
Seems the need for police goes a bit further culturally...
Seems the need for police goes a bit further culturally...
Yeah, it's pretty common for teachers in some schools in the US to be assaulted by students. Many schools have metal detectors and other security measures.
The social taboo isn't, IMO, necessarily wrong. There should be a check on adults that need to physically handle a kid. Abusive teachers exist and having a check on anyone working with kids is important.
I'd also point out that smaller (and or older) female teachers can be overpowered by teen boys.
But using cops as a solution is frankly idiotic. Kids do idiotic shit and bringing down the full force of the law against them is insane. For all the reasons you point out, a cop is the worst possible person to rely on for physical restraint.
I'd also point out that smaller (and or older) female teachers can be overpowered by teen boys.
But using cops as a solution is frankly idiotic. Kids do idiotic shit and bringing down the full force of the law against them is insane. For all the reasons you point out, a cop is the worst possible person to rely on for physical restraint.
"But using cops as a solution is frankly idiotic. Kids do idiotic shit and bringing down the full force of the law against them is insane."
SROs tend to be lenient and try not to file charges if possible, or even get involved if it's a minor thing.
From what you're saying, the problem isn't having police in schools. The problem is that the laws can be harsh - for juveniles or adults, in school or elsewhere.
SROs tend to be lenient and try not to file charges if possible, or even get involved if it's a minor thing.
From what you're saying, the problem isn't having police in schools. The problem is that the laws can be harsh - for juveniles or adults, in school or elsewhere.
Our society is like an old software project where we have hacked things on (bureaucratically) to address bugs one by one until we are left with an insane hydra system.
Build schools is expensive because of everything but building the school. Surveying the land. Getting approval for noise and traffic. Ecological impact studies. Permits for everything. Minor plan changes requiring re-approval of everything. Not to mention all the legal parameters and latent threats around every decision.
Yes, corruption flourishes in red tape. But it is not exactly the source of the problem.
Build schools is expensive because of everything but building the school. Surveying the land. Getting approval for noise and traffic. Ecological impact studies. Permits for everything. Minor plan changes requiring re-approval of everything. Not to mention all the legal parameters and latent threats around every decision.
Yes, corruption flourishes in red tape. But it is not exactly the source of the problem.
More money for education doesn't necessarily mean more money for buildings- they often have to be floated by bonds separate from the main budget.
Schools have more features than 75 years ago- better hvac, higher power requirements, better comms.
Government construction has to follow all the regulations, including a bunch specific to the government to fight corruption or waste.
Schools have more features than 75 years ago- better hvac, higher power requirements, better comms.
Government construction has to follow all the regulations, including a bunch specific to the government to fight corruption or waste.
> higher power requirements
Arguably, the power requirements have been trending downwards since the 90s. Switching teachers and students to laptops instead of chonky desktops almost certainly has made a dent in power consumption. Further better insulation and hvac systems has almost certainly cut down on power costs.
Arguably, the power requirements have been trending downwards since the 90s. Switching teachers and students to laptops instead of chonky desktops almost certainly has made a dent in power consumption. Further better insulation and hvac systems has almost certainly cut down on power costs.
I was thinking more construction costs- now every room needs many outlets instead of the one that the overhead projector cart plugs into. Power efficient lights, insulation etc. require higher construction costs but reduce operating costs. My middle school was a neat piece of 1920's architecture, but lacked a lot of amenities that would be considered necessary now.
30 kids in a class... what, did you attend private school?
> Our drive and desire for "nicer" things (or at least things that dress up well), when we can barely fund the necessities, seems to be a hard dichotomy to deal with. How do we accomplish both?
Check out the book and concept “Pretty Good House”. You can have nice design without breaking the bank by making the right trade offs in the design process. I think this can be adapted to institutions. Probably ICF walls for high insulation values and lower operating costs, slanted roofs for lower maintenance, heat pumps, larger windows on certain facades for light and interior enjoyment without bringing in intense summer heat (also, overhangs on southern windows), modest entries, etc etc.
Another idea: I don’t understand why every school is designed by a different architect starting at a blank page (even within the same school board let alone the same state/province). Why don’t they have standard sets of optimized designs for different size institutions and figure out all the mechanical and electrical and structural once at the beginning and use the same design for 10-20 years with only small refinements as technology progresses? Lots of money is being wasted on consultants.
Check out the book and concept “Pretty Good House”. You can have nice design without breaking the bank by making the right trade offs in the design process. I think this can be adapted to institutions. Probably ICF walls for high insulation values and lower operating costs, slanted roofs for lower maintenance, heat pumps, larger windows on certain facades for light and interior enjoyment without bringing in intense summer heat (also, overhangs on southern windows), modest entries, etc etc.
Another idea: I don’t understand why every school is designed by a different architect starting at a blank page (even within the same school board let alone the same state/province). Why don’t they have standard sets of optimized designs for different size institutions and figure out all the mechanical and electrical and structural once at the beginning and use the same design for 10-20 years with only small refinements as technology progresses? Lots of money is being wasted on consultants.
Even worse when the school building is aesthetically designed for a limited number of viewpoints or even just one viewpoint.
My own school growing up had a boring rear entrance but a brochure-worthy front entrance that looked traditional and dignified. Unfortunately, that front entrance was virtually never used since the playgrounds and parking lots were much closer to the rear entrance. As a result, us kids were sentenced to staring at the boring posterior of the school and never took away much inspiration from the architecture.
My own school growing up had a boring rear entrance but a brochure-worthy front entrance that looked traditional and dignified. Unfortunately, that front entrance was virtually never used since the playgrounds and parking lots were much closer to the rear entrance. As a result, us kids were sentenced to staring at the boring posterior of the school and never took away much inspiration from the architecture.
I'd be more concerned with a lack of inspiration from the schooling. Relying on architecture is a poor lesson in inspiration and creativity. People with creative mindsets can create beauty in how they decorate and use the space, just as much or even more so than relying on the space design itself.
Evidenced based design studies on how some designs better than others at promoting healing in hospital design. Not familiar with school studies but I imagine at some point schools should be calibrated to facilitate learning instead of storm shelters (or in US, securitized against shooters). IIRC old enviromental-psych, "nice" enviroments reduce stress, increase attention etc. Regardless why get used to bland? It's good to just be in a nice built enviroment.
My point is, what defines "nice" is based on one's experience. If you get people used to luxury, they will demand it and see declines if it's not met. Most of the hospital improvements are not about having pretty rooms. The pretty rooms are usually only one part of a much bigger group of changes to make things more tolerable. Those other changes are likely bigger factors in comfort.
Evidenced based design is an architecture field. They try to quantify what aspects of built enviroment improves XYZ. I don't disagree with your gist, but sometimes it does come down to more expensive layouts (i.e. trying increase light/window coverage) or finishes that pushes per sq cost up in institutional buildings.
I can't tell you if a lot of these designs are architecture wank, or actually seriously informed by literature, although architects do pour over relevant literature if only to post rationalize / sell designs.
I can't tell you if a lot of these designs are architecture wank, or actually seriously informed by literature, although architects do pour over relevant literature if only to post rationalize / sell designs.
A lot of newer urban public libraries look like the buildings in the pictures. If it works for them it can work for a school where we send our kids for a big part of their life. I think it's a good investment when building new ones, probably at a way higher priority than most things the gov wastes money on.
> Every one of these newer building looks like a high priced and high maintenance design
Not really possible to judge from pictures, as it depends on material selection, durability etc. Good architects can make nice things without breaking the bank.
Not really possible to judge from pictures, as it depends on material selection, durability etc. Good architects can make nice things without breaking the bank.
Just cleaning the vaulted ceilings and all the high windows is a big difference that can be seen in the pictures. Multiple large windows are also a contraindication for it being a storm shelter.
Why would it need to be a storm shelter? The only place in the world where schools need to be storm shelters is the midwestern US.
Perhaps the frequency of storms. For example, Europe doesn't have many storms of the same intensity as the tornadoes of the Midwest or the hurricanes of the South.
are schools in china traditionally used as storm shelters? perhaps they have separate buildings for that kind of thing
No, but in large parts of China they're supposed to be earthquake-resistant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Sichuan_earthquake#Collap...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Sichuan_earthquake#Collap...
China's imperative is to build cheap and even disposable buildings. The difference in storm shelter paradigms and design considerations is a tangent at best considering we don't share the same concerns here or whatever alternative buildings you are insinuating.
These sorts of schools were modeled after prisons (and actually were designed by the same people designing prisons).
Architecture that looks bad is effectively communicating to its occupants what the institution running it thinks of them and what the institution is about. If you model it like a prison, then think about what this communicates and internalizes.
Before the prison/factory campus came into existence, we did have beautiful schools. And they're still standing.
Architecture that looks bad is effectively communicating to its occupants what the institution running it thinks of them and what the institution is about. If you model it like a prison, then think about what this communicates and internalizes.
Before the prison/factory campus came into existence, we did have beautiful schools. And they're still standing.
"These sorts of schools were modeled after prisons (and actually were designed by the same people designing prisons)."
TFA says this is mostly legend more than fact.
"Before the prison/factory campus came into existence, we did have beautiful schools. And they're still standing."
This is survivor bias and tends to include expensive private schools and higher education. Most of those designs have similar "negative" features that the article describes as many of them are gothic, built in a time when glass was limited in size or expense, etc.
"If you model it like a prison, then think about what this communicates and internalizes."
Have the kids spent time in a prision? If the kids don't have a baseline for a what a prison is like, then this conjecture about what it communicates is moot as the fundamental exchange of the idea isn’t present. People reiterating that they are built like prisons are more detrimental than the design itself.
TFA says this is mostly legend more than fact.
"Before the prison/factory campus came into existence, we did have beautiful schools. And they're still standing."
This is survivor bias and tends to include expensive private schools and higher education. Most of those designs have similar "negative" features that the article describes as many of them are gothic, built in a time when glass was limited in size or expense, etc.
"If you model it like a prison, then think about what this communicates and internalizes."
Have the kids spent time in a prision? If the kids don't have a baseline for a what a prison is like, then this conjecture about what it communicates is moot as the fundamental exchange of the idea isn’t present. People reiterating that they are built like prisons are more detrimental than the design itself.
You see prison on TV even as a child. remember the first time I saw my US high school in person and my first thought was that it was clearly a prison inspired design. They had an interior balcony where the each level was viewable from each other level. Unlike a mall the walls were opaque and each door identical with a number.
If the school was properly organized it could be in an actual prison for all would have cared. I think de-streaming is far worse than bad decor.
If the school was properly organized it could be in an actual prison for all would have cared. I think de-streaming is far worse than bad decor.
It's because they're built by tax dollars and the last thing you want to do is be seen to be wasting tax dollars on frivolous things. Nice private schools look great because the clientele expects that and pays for that aesthetic. Also consider that often the highest tax payers and most influential people in a community won't send their kids to the local school so have no interest in having higher taxes fund a nice building. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just that it is.
> Before the prison/factory campus came into existence, we did have beautiful schools. And they're still standing.
The nice ones are. There are likely many old school buildings that were cheaply constructed and didn't stand the test of time.
The nice old school building in my town had to have hundreds of millions of dollars put into it because it didn't have AC, a staircase collapsed, and about 100 other serious issues that needed addressing to modernize it. Our community voted YES to funding it through a raise in property taxes but our community is already affluent and the town did a good job specifying exactly what the money would be spent on.
So it costs money and often times people don't see the value in that.
> Before the prison/factory campus came into existence, we did have beautiful schools. And they're still standing.
The nice ones are. There are likely many old school buildings that were cheaply constructed and didn't stand the test of time.
The nice old school building in my town had to have hundreds of millions of dollars put into it because it didn't have AC, a staircase collapsed, and about 100 other serious issues that needed addressing to modernize it. Our community voted YES to funding it through a raise in property taxes but our community is already affluent and the town did a good job specifying exactly what the money would be spent on.
So it costs money and often times people don't see the value in that.
Most private schools by numbers are religiously affiliated and relatively plain. Many are in older buildings. The newer ones have mostly the same design of corridors with identical classrooms.
"The nice ones are. There are likely many old school buildings that were cheaply constructed and didn't stand the test of time."
Yes, that's what survivor bias means.
"The nice ones are. There are likely many old school buildings that were cheaply constructed and didn't stand the test of time."
Yes, that's what survivor bias means.
> Yes, that's what survivor bias means.
I understand that which is why I described it to a person that appeared to not be familiar with it. I wasn’t speaking to you though. So I’m not sure why you’re replying to me about it lol.
I understand that which is why I described it to a person that appeared to not be familiar with it. I wasn’t speaking to you though. So I’m not sure why you’re replying to me about it lol.
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These look like schools with lots of space and lots of funding.
Meanwhile, where I live, schools don't even have fields, gyms, or kitchens because there's not enough room on the lot. Urban vs suburban design constraints are just really large.
I'd like to see more exploration of school designs for urban environments.
Can we make the schools taller? Does that need better stairways and maybe escalators? What are the implications? Older kids on the upper floors so the littler ones don't have to climb stairs as much?
Can we put fields on the roof?
How can we be more efficient with services? Can we combine schools and public libraries? Rec centers?
Growing up in a good suburbanish school system myself, it's pretty depressing to see what passes for elementary schools in some cities.
Meanwhile, where I live, schools don't even have fields, gyms, or kitchens because there's not enough room on the lot. Urban vs suburban design constraints are just really large.
I'd like to see more exploration of school designs for urban environments.
Can we make the schools taller? Does that need better stairways and maybe escalators? What are the implications? Older kids on the upper floors so the littler ones don't have to climb stairs as much?
Can we put fields on the roof?
How can we be more efficient with services? Can we combine schools and public libraries? Rec centers?
Growing up in a good suburbanish school system myself, it's pretty depressing to see what passes for elementary schools in some cities.
Look at Japan - schools in Tokyo are extremely space-efficient (like most of Tokyo) and have innovations like rooftop playgrounds (with high, safe fences).
> How can we be more efficient with services? Can we combine schools and public libraries? Rec centers?
Using the facilities 'after-school' is good idea.
Using the facilities 'after-school' is good idea.
Call this a cautionary tale about 'rethinking' school design.
The high school I went to was designed/built in 1973 by some people who "re-thought" school design. Their idea was a 'flexible learning space' - basically a giant open-plan area where different classes would just sort of sit in circles in one big room. Certain rooms - the library, admin offices, the science labs - were walled off individually but most general classes would just be in this big open space. Teachers were assigned rolling desks with a locking roll-top that they could move around to whatever spot on the floor their class would be in that day, kids would circle the desks around and creativity would thrive (or something...)
This plan was basically a disaster. Getting a bunch of teenagers to focus on a lesson is hard enough without the distraction of dozens of other classes within visible/audible range. Within the first year they retrofit the whole building with walls to break the big open space up into conventional classrooms. The walls were vinyl panels stretched between the structural columns - if you pressed on them, they would flex noticeably. It worked well enough, but one side effect of the late addition of walls was that the HVAC had been designed for one big room with a few 'zones' of control. When all the vinyl walls went in, they didn't align to the 'zones' so there would be a thermostat in one room, but the heat/AC vent(s) would be in other rooms, leading to some classrooms constantly being too-hot or too-cold.
20 years after this (the '90s, when I attended) there was still one room filled with the long-unused rolling desks with locking roll-tops.
The high school I went to was designed/built in 1973 by some people who "re-thought" school design. Their idea was a 'flexible learning space' - basically a giant open-plan area where different classes would just sort of sit in circles in one big room. Certain rooms - the library, admin offices, the science labs - were walled off individually but most general classes would just be in this big open space. Teachers were assigned rolling desks with a locking roll-top that they could move around to whatever spot on the floor their class would be in that day, kids would circle the desks around and creativity would thrive (or something...)
This plan was basically a disaster. Getting a bunch of teenagers to focus on a lesson is hard enough without the distraction of dozens of other classes within visible/audible range. Within the first year they retrofit the whole building with walls to break the big open space up into conventional classrooms. The walls were vinyl panels stretched between the structural columns - if you pressed on them, they would flex noticeably. It worked well enough, but one side effect of the late addition of walls was that the HVAC had been designed for one big room with a few 'zones' of control. When all the vinyl walls went in, they didn't align to the 'zones' so there would be a thermostat in one room, but the heat/AC vent(s) would be in other rooms, leading to some classrooms constantly being too-hot or too-cold.
20 years after this (the '90s, when I attended) there was still one room filled with the long-unused rolling desks with locking roll-tops.
Someone did that where I went to high school as well. I'm pretty sure it was a cost cutting measure, but the entire school was basically built without hallways. In one of the most humid and rainiest locales in the continental United States. Changing classes? Enjoy the rain! Someone stands there with the door open? Enjoy the 80% humidity condensing on everything in the room! Need to go the restroom at 2 PM? High temperature is only 100 F, but with the heat island effect the air temperature is a completely normal 120 F
I went to a middle school in the 1990s that clearly came out of the same 1970s wave of “rethinking school design.” Ours had the benefit of the what-were-we-thinking retrofit walls being proper drywall, but, perhaps in trying to dodge the climate control problems you mention, most classrooms still didn’t have doors.
I wouldn’t learn what the Lindy effect was until decades later, but looking back, it was an instructive early lesson.
I wouldn’t learn what the Lindy effect was until decades later, but looking back, it was an instructive early lesson.
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The unfortunate trend I’ve witnessed in newer schools in my neck of the US (west) is to essentially make them fortresses, a place where entrances and exits are tightly controlled and each classroom can quickly be locked down. They honestly feel like prisons.
We all remarked on the classroom during back to school week this year for my third grader with “wow, you get an actual window this year!”. Other classrooms in the school have no windows or natural lighting at all.
One guess as to why this is becoming the norm.
We all remarked on the classroom during back to school week this year for my third grader with “wow, you get an actual window this year!”. Other classrooms in the school have no windows or natural lighting at all.
One guess as to why this is becoming the norm.
It’s deeply fucked-up if you look at the odds of an indiscriminate shooting (what we’re mainly worried about—less so the killer seeking a single specific victim who happens to choose to find them in a school) occurring while a given student is present any time in their 13 years of primary and secondary education. Loosen it to “any gun violence at all” (a way, way larger category) and the odds are still tiny.
School shootings are shameful and we should take steps to make them stop, but subjecting all kids to freakishly locked-down buildings and shooter drills and all that is not a reaction supported by the statistics. We’re causing mass harm to kids over a panic.
School shootings are shameful and we should take steps to make them stop, but subjecting all kids to freakishly locked-down buildings and shooter drills and all that is not a reaction supported by the statistics. We’re causing mass harm to kids over a panic.
Jacob Geller did a really interesting video essay [1] about the parallels that can be drawn between modern school architecture and maps from shooter games - on top of whatever other context or functionality they provide, they are fundamentally spaces that are designed around the question "what happens if violence occurs here?"
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usSfgHGEGxQ
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usSfgHGEGxQ
Can't imagine to grow in environment like that. Luckily, guns are regulated here and people can walk free.
You are lucky. When my son was in elementary school ten years ago, it cost a fortune for the school to put in a secure entrance. It was like a castle gate house where you enter the main door and it immediately locks behind you. You state your business through an intercomm and then they unlock the inner door.
You can "re think" things all you want but so long as the administrators have every incentive to run the place like some perverse combination of a minimum security prison and a locked mental health facility all the terribleness will remain because the organizations, the processes they adopt and the buildings they inhabit are a reflection of the incentives that shape them.
These all look like an adult architect's idea of what kids should like, and not so much a kid's idea of what an appealing learning environment would look like.
They all have that blocky clean-lined repetitive modernist look. Quirky window placings and the odd splashes of colour don't hide the lack of variety, texture, or spontaneity. They're still very regimented spaces - all straight lines and grids. Some have some natural elements, but even those are very tightly controlled.
A few look like very small open plan startup offices.
They all have that blocky clean-lined repetitive modernist look. Quirky window placings and the odd splashes of colour don't hide the lack of variety, texture, or spontaneity. They're still very regimented spaces - all straight lines and grids. Some have some natural elements, but even those are very tightly controlled.
A few look like very small open plan startup offices.
Agree to some extent but let me take it in a slightly different direction:
None of them seem to be in use.
Show me how they look at full occupancy. Let me see how they are for a year. Then I will judge.
The biggest problem with architecture copy, and what means it’s not journalism, is that it’s not post occupancy. It’s really rare that they show you how it looks and how it’s performing 10 years in.
None of them seem to be in use.
Show me how they look at full occupancy. Let me see how they are for a year. Then I will judge.
The biggest problem with architecture copy, and what means it’s not journalism, is that it’s not post occupancy. It’s really rare that they show you how it looks and how it’s performing 10 years in.
The built-like-prison implies a sort of bad faith when other reasons could be viable, e.g., taxpayer resistance to extra expenditures, or the requirement to build a large number of schools, quickly, in the 1950-1970 period in response to the baby boom and the Civil Rights movement in the US.
I find these kinds of architectural pieces about as useful as browsing the concept cars at a motor show. Sure, pretty n all, but can you build them for a forty year lifespan? Can you build them cheaply enough to crank out dozens in the poorest parts of town, where the existing schools really are crumbling? Can you build them to adapt not just to what you see today but what you cant see tomorrow? Can you build for the fact that kids can be incredibly destructive, even on a good day?
I've lived through the 1930s school building with wooden desk era, the Brutalist era, the open-plan circle-time class layout era, the aluminum and glass (freezing in winter!) era, and all I can say is I wish these architects had to live with what they created.
I find these kinds of architectural pieces about as useful as browsing the concept cars at a motor show. Sure, pretty n all, but can you build them for a forty year lifespan? Can you build them cheaply enough to crank out dozens in the poorest parts of town, where the existing schools really are crumbling? Can you build them to adapt not just to what you see today but what you cant see tomorrow? Can you build for the fact that kids can be incredibly destructive, even on a good day?
I've lived through the 1930s school building with wooden desk era, the Brutalist era, the open-plan circle-time class layout era, the aluminum and glass (freezing in winter!) era, and all I can say is I wish these architects had to live with what they created.
It's always interesting to me to see sweeping statements about what things are like from people who have experienced only a very small sample of possibilities across the space they're commenting on. My schools were nothing like a prison. In fact, we had a juvenile prison in my hometown that was called a "school for boys," as well a continuation school, which is where they sent everyone who wasn't a criminal but had been expelled from the other schools. They both looked drastically different from the regular schools. We had no hallways. It was all open air between classes. Windows were abundant.
My wife was surprised by this the first time she saw my high school, as she'd grown up in the northeast and the schools were indoors and more like what this article describes. It's always worth reminding ourselves as Americans that we live in a very big country that is not at all uniform from coast to coast.
My wife was surprised by this the first time she saw my high school, as she'd grown up in the northeast and the schools were indoors and more like what this article describes. It's always worth reminding ourselves as Americans that we live in a very big country that is not at all uniform from coast to coast.
A second-order benefit of schools being more inviting spaces for students is that they are also nicer for teachers. Maybe this would allow schools to tap into a larger talent pool. Of course in China teachers are also paid well, so that helps too.
What we really should do, is rethinking School. The design of the buildings is not the problem. The Sudbury Valley model is a fascinating take on a different kind of educational environment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYHKbbLk7V4
EDIT: That said, these schools looks like they could be a good fit for a Sudbury-style school :)
EDIT: That said, these schools looks like they could be a good fit for a Sudbury-style school :)
I don't think this is an either/or situation. Both can be rethought.
Meanwhile, educational results seem to get worse!
BTW, I went to those horrible school buildings the article talks about, and experienced none of the bad effects claimed.
BTW, I went to those horrible school buildings the article talks about, and experienced none of the bad effects claimed.
Do these design changes drive a change in the philosophy of education or is it the other way around? The author of the article doesn't dive into that issue very much, but if a change in the architecture of schools will help drive some much-needed changes in education itself (the "rigidity" mentioned throughout) so much the better.
Some people might see a certain level of rigidity to be beneficial to a child's development. Now we need to get into philosophical debate over the potential psychological impacts of design. I imagine the stoics would disagree that discipline is a bad thing (actual discipline and not punishment).
Discipline and structure are good and necessary, but that's not what I'm getting at (and I think we probably agree there) when I say "rigidity." Students (especially young children) aren't widgets to be pushed through a factory, but individuals for whom some degree of flexibility is required.
Seems whenever there's talk about improvement in education and schooling, and demands for yet more funds, everyone very carefully avoids the topic of what's actually important in education.
Instead it's always about superficial matters like this.
No, what's actually important is, for student X, 20 years from now, are they living a better life than they would otherwise have, as a result of the education services they received.
If you just paid attention to that metric, and rebuked every single other thing, the price, speed, and quality of all education would rapidly improve every single year.
That'd start first and foremost with what people are being taught, followed by a bunch of other important levers, and right at the bottom of the list would be the physical design of the school.
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Instead it's always about superficial matters like this.
No, what's actually important is, for student X, 20 years from now, are they living a better life than they would otherwise have, as a result of the education services they received.
If you just paid attention to that metric, and rebuked every single other thing, the price, speed, and quality of all education would rapidly improve every single year.
That'd start first and foremost with what people are being taught, followed by a bunch of other important levers, and right at the bottom of the list would be the physical design of the school.
Sector suffers from an epidemic of bikeshedding.
This article could've been written by ChatGPT. It's bland marketing spiel with feel-good emotions and nothing concrete.
Nothing exemplifies this more than the section on "Cultivating Imagination Through Playful Design". Despite the header it shows the most bland and generic "scandinavian design" imaginable with no place for either imagination or playfulness.
This is exactly how many of these soulless buildings are built by "jack of all trades and a soon-to-be Master of Architectures": by stringing together the most basic of shapes with utter disregard for history, culture, or context, and slapping meaningless word diarrhoea onto them.
Nothing exemplifies this more than the section on "Cultivating Imagination Through Playful Design". Despite the header it shows the most bland and generic "scandinavian design" imaginable with no place for either imagination or playfulness.
This is exactly how many of these soulless buildings are built by "jack of all trades and a soon-to-be Master of Architectures": by stringing together the most basic of shapes with utter disregard for history, culture, or context, and slapping meaningless word diarrhoea onto them.
I cringe whenever I hear people praise Scandinavian schools: if we raise taxes and get rid of private schools, (to copy what they did in Norway) our public schools will be just as good. Copying Hermione Granger's homework does not make you Hermione Granger.
One amusing thing I noticed was the lack of stuff in the classrooms. At my kid's class there needs to be room for bags, books, television, a PC for testing, headphones, Chromebooks etc. no way all that would fit in these new-age spaces.
One amusing thing I noticed was the lack of stuff in the classrooms. At my kid's class there needs to be room for bags, books, television, a PC for testing, headphones, Chromebooks etc. no way all that would fit in these new-age spaces.
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They look like schools that will need a lot of lighting, because they do not have enough windows. Plus they look like shopping centers from inside.
This is what it looks like to live in a weird architectural design bubble where you think spoiled rich kid schools are all schools. Like an attractive person for whom regular people literally do not cognitively exist, the shitty schools all over the world that lack basic supplies and do not pay teachers enough do not exist, so we are free to think about cool architecture you can post pictures of on your portfolio.
Given the shrinking demographic, it's difficult to see why anyone would bother. Whatever problems schools have, it's not the architecture.
> For decades, school design was synonymous with rigidity. Rows of identical classrooms, harsh lighting and long, narrow corridors created environments that felt more like factories — or worse, prisons — than places for nurturing young minds.
...and those bastards went out and won World War 2. The end.
...and those bastards went out and won World War 2. The end.
so many rich (mostly white) kids!