Stephen King to shut down his 3 radio stations in Maine(nytimes.com)
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Stephen King to shut down his 3 radio stations in Maine
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/03/arts/stephen-king-maine-radio-stations.html
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> “While radio across the country has been overtaken by giant corporate broadcasting groups, I’ve loved being a local, independent owner all these years,” King said.
Almost nobody likes this development, yet no-one does anything about it. Almost everyone except politicians is critical of big corporations, yet they're ever growing like a tumor, leaving small mom-and-pop businesses by the wayside.
In recent years, I'm hearing more and more how we're supposed to shop locally and support regional producers. Yet, I don't see how our government is supporting this call themselves. Without regulation, small businesses will not be able to compete with the giants.
Almost nobody likes this development, yet no-one does anything about it. Almost everyone except politicians is critical of big corporations, yet they're ever growing like a tumor, leaving small mom-and-pop businesses by the wayside.
In recent years, I'm hearing more and more how we're supposed to shop locally and support regional producers. Yet, I don't see how our government is supporting this call themselves. Without regulation, small businesses will not be able to compete with the giants.
Mom-and-pop businesses usually have to charge higher prices, because they can't get large volume discounts. Big companies also have the infrastructure to ship things reliably from overseas.
When it comes down to it, most people would rather save money and pay less than shop at small businesses.
On a note about radio: it's dead. If you want a local radio feel, listen to podcasts. Stephen King most likely is losing advertisers because radio, as a medium, is getting overtaken by podcasts and things like Youtube.
I used to listen to the radio every day and I haven't been a regular listener for almost a decade.
When it comes down to it, most people would rather save money and pay less than shop at small businesses.
On a note about radio: it's dead. If you want a local radio feel, listen to podcasts. Stephen King most likely is losing advertisers because radio, as a medium, is getting overtaken by podcasts and things like Youtube.
I used to listen to the radio every day and I haven't been a regular listener for almost a decade.
> When it comes down to it, most people would rather save money and pay less than shop at small businesses.
You hit the nail on the head exactly here. People are very good at maximizing their short term situation, even at the detriment to their community. A good example is people who travel to nearby cities to buy things because they have lower taxes. They don't seem to understand that (for the most part), taxes in their own city benefit their city. Taxes they pay to a neighboring city don't benefit them or their neighbors.
You hit the nail on the head exactly here. People are very good at maximizing their short term situation, even at the detriment to their community. A good example is people who travel to nearby cities to buy things because they have lower taxes. They don't seem to understand that (for the most part), taxes in their own city benefit their city. Taxes they pay to a neighboring city don't benefit them or their neighbors.
> They don't seem to understand that (for the most part), taxes in their own city benefit their city.
They usually understand that perfectly well, but understanding that doesn't mean that they should not rationally try to minimize the taxes that they personally pay. The ideal scenario for any individual A is that A pays as little in taxes as possible and all A's neighbors pay as much as necessary to fund the government programs which A benefits from. For A, intentionally shopping locally in order to pay higher but local taxes is against their own rational self interest.
Policy shouldn't be designed to only work for the collective good if every individual works against their own self interest—any policy designed that way is doomed to failure from the get go.
They usually understand that perfectly well, but understanding that doesn't mean that they should not rationally try to minimize the taxes that they personally pay. The ideal scenario for any individual A is that A pays as little in taxes as possible and all A's neighbors pay as much as necessary to fund the government programs which A benefits from. For A, intentionally shopping locally in order to pay higher but local taxes is against their own rational self interest.
Policy shouldn't be designed to only work for the collective good if every individual works against their own self interest—any policy designed that way is doomed to failure from the get go.
> They usually understand that perfectly well, but understanding that doesn't mean that they should not rationally try to minimize the taxes that they personally pay.
Alternatively, many may understand that claim, but disagree with it.
Alternatively, many may understand that claim, but disagree with it.
I think the point being made here is not that people should work against their own "rational self interest" but that paying taxes in your local community to support infrastructure, policing, education, public services, public health, and so on is actually directly in your own self interest. But people have this idea that taxes benefit nobody so we work scrupulously to avoid them.
One of the biggest socialist programs of wealth redistribution in the US is actually our highway and road system, where we pay hundreds of billions of dollars from cities to smaller municipalities and counties to maintain a system of public roadways by which those smaller municipalities can reach larger cities by car. Absolutely nobody complains about that. So clearly paying taxes on that is beneficial. And that suggests that paying taxes on other things is beneficial.
One of the biggest socialist programs of wealth redistribution in the US is actually our highway and road system, where we pay hundreds of billions of dollars from cities to smaller municipalities and counties to maintain a system of public roadways by which those smaller municipalities can reach larger cities by car. Absolutely nobody complains about that. So clearly paying taxes on that is beneficial. And that suggests that paying taxes on other things is beneficial.
> and so on is actually directly in your own self interest. But people have this idea that taxes benefit nobody so we work scrupulously to avoid them.
But my point is that it's not. It's in your interest to have those things but not in your interest to pay for them. Having government programs such as roads is beneficial. Paying for roads out of your own pocket is not. So we should expect to see people dodge taxes wherever it's practical to do so.
This has implications for how you design a taxation system. For example, there is an optimal sales tax rate that is neither significantly lower than your neighbors nor significantly higher—one where the inconvenience of shopping somewhere else is higher than the cost of shopping locally.
The only way to get around the problem is to make receiving the government services contingent on paying the tax. Vehicle registration fees are a good example, as are property taxes. If roads are paid for out of a tax that you can't avoid paying if you own a car, then using the government-provided infrastructure is contingent on paying for it and it's in your self interest to do so.
Sales taxes are particularly problematic in this regard because the people who pay them are often not the people who benefit from the programs paid for. (Though this is less true in small isolated towns than it is in large Metro areas.)
But my point is that it's not. It's in your interest to have those things but not in your interest to pay for them. Having government programs such as roads is beneficial. Paying for roads out of your own pocket is not. So we should expect to see people dodge taxes wherever it's practical to do so.
This has implications for how you design a taxation system. For example, there is an optimal sales tax rate that is neither significantly lower than your neighbors nor significantly higher—one where the inconvenience of shopping somewhere else is higher than the cost of shopping locally.
The only way to get around the problem is to make receiving the government services contingent on paying the tax. Vehicle registration fees are a good example, as are property taxes. If roads are paid for out of a tax that you can't avoid paying if you own a car, then using the government-provided infrastructure is contingent on paying for it and it's in your self interest to do so.
Sales taxes are particularly problematic in this regard because the people who pay them are often not the people who benefit from the programs paid for. (Though this is less true in small isolated towns than it is in large Metro areas.)
> But my point is that it's not.
This is entirely a matter of opinion whether you believe that a democratic process should be able to direct individuals' funds to public works projects or not. I believe that it is. But when you assert one way or the other you're challenging an axiom.
So sure you could completely redesign the taxation system, or you could work with people to convince them that paying taxes actually confers benefits.
This is entirely a matter of opinion whether you believe that a democratic process should be able to direct individuals' funds to public works projects or not. I believe that it is. But when you assert one way or the other you're challenging an axiom.
So sure you could completely redesign the taxation system, or you could work with people to convince them that paying taxes actually confers benefits.
If they are regularly spending time in that neighboring community, then the taxes they pay their do benefit them. I think it is more a vote of no confidence in local leadership.
Eh. Retail is only one type of business. The fraction of businesses that are small fluctuates by a couple percent here and there but isn’t on some long term decline.
How is it to our long term benefit to continue paying more for goods forever? Maybe we’re just better off in a world where industries that have severe economies of scale like retail get consumed by the big guys so we all save money, and small businesses keep fixing the pipes, designing our graphics, etc.
How is it to our long term benefit to continue paying more for goods forever? Maybe we’re just better off in a world where industries that have severe economies of scale like retail get consumed by the big guys so we all save money, and small businesses keep fixing the pipes, designing our graphics, etc.
I can't back this up with data, so this is just my opinion.
Economies of scale are better in almost every way, if the benefits of economies of scale are somewhat evenly distributed, and that the benefits don't come with significant negatives somewhere else.
However, most of the time, the majority of the benefits of economies of scale tend to go to the wealthy. The small amount of benefits that do go to consumers/people make them think that they are the beneficiaries, and often the societal cost is masked.
Economies of scale are better in almost every way, if the benefits of economies of scale are somewhat evenly distributed, and that the benefits don't come with significant negatives somewhere else.
However, most of the time, the majority of the benefits of economies of scale tend to go to the wealthy. The small amount of benefits that do go to consumers/people make them think that they are the beneficiaries, and often the societal cost is masked.
Lots of small businesses exist in areas that do not have economies of scale, and sometimes have diseconomies. Think businesses where labor is the majority of the costs. Your local plumbing company is probably a small to medium business and Roto-Rooter isn’t hurting them.
Some have some economies of scale but not severe and service or quality or other things matter and there you usually find big businesses and small competing with each other. (I work in the packaged food world, it falls into this category.)
And some, like retail, have such large economies of scale that a small business just can’t really compete. In the case of retail, this is largely because of logistics being such a big portion of cost of goods.
Some have some economies of scale but not severe and service or quality or other things matter and there you usually find big businesses and small competing with each other. (I work in the packaged food world, it falls into this category.)
And some, like retail, have such large economies of scale that a small business just can’t really compete. In the case of retail, this is largely because of logistics being such a big portion of cost of goods.
It should be OK if those big companies are publicly traded and mostly owned by ultimately, lots of individuals, say through retirement funds investing in them?
I don't think the shipping is about infrastructure, but I don't know what it is. You can get a 40 foot shipping container (~2400 cubic feet) shipped half way around the world for ~$4k, yet try to ship a cubic foot of volume using any normal commercial shipping service, and you'll probably pay $100+.
Perhaps I'm missing something, but if not then the shipping market is just completely broken and begging for disruption.
Perhaps I'm missing something, but if not then the shipping market is just completely broken and begging for disruption.
What you're describing is the same as in any market—wholesale costs less per unit than retail because there are enormous gains in efficiency for the seller when they don't have to deal with smaller units.
In the case of shipping, I'm not an expert but I do know a few of them:
* The amount of time per mile a human needs to spend handling that shipping container is lower, because there are only a few very long legs rather than many transfers.
* The amount of time per pound of goods a human has to spend handling the shipping container is much lower, because the container is moved all at once, where your cubic-foot package has to be handled individually.
* The fuel cost per pound of goods per mile is lower with the shipping container because it is usually transported by boat and train, which are far more efficient than the trucks used in last-mile delivery.
In the case of shipping, I'm not an expert but I do know a few of them:
* The amount of time per mile a human needs to spend handling that shipping container is lower, because there are only a few very long legs rather than many transfers.
* The amount of time per pound of goods a human has to spend handling the shipping container is much lower, because the container is moved all at once, where your cubic-foot package has to be handled individually.
* The fuel cost per pound of goods per mile is lower with the shipping container because it is usually transported by boat and train, which are far more efficient than the trucks used in last-mile delivery.
What I'm getting at is that baseline costs for a cubic foot are about $1.50. A startup could sell cubic foot containers for $5 - shipped when able to fill a crate, and have a massive margin, for those willing to trade time for a 95% cost reduction. That no such service exists is so weird and dysfunctional.
This also applies to endless other real world things and services. Prices for so many things are completely out of touch with reasonably approachable costs, yet there's no Elon in shipping or these zillion other broken industries that, if fixed, could really reshape and perhaps even revitalize the American economy.
This also applies to endless other real world things and services. Prices for so many things are completely out of touch with reasonably approachable costs, yet there's no Elon in shipping or these zillion other broken industries that, if fixed, could really reshape and perhaps even revitalize the American economy.
If you want to move less atoms than the standard(a standardized shipping containers worth), you are going to pay a premium for either the wasted space or for some other agent to figure out how to pack your shit with 100 other small customers and then also unpack that shit at the end and send it to the correct recipients.
This is quite literally, one of the benefits people are referencing when doing commerce in large quantities when they mention “economy of scale”.
In computer science terms the shipping containers are like bits. They either exist or they don’t. If you want something with more precision like an integer or a float, you can make it happen, but it’s more costly in terms of resources
This is quite literally, one of the benefits people are referencing when doing commerce in large quantities when they mention “economy of scale”.
In computer science terms the shipping containers are like bits. They either exist or they don’t. If you want something with more precision like an integer or a float, you can make it happen, but it’s more costly in terms of resources
> almost everyone except politicians is critical of big corporation
I think that is the critical point.
Big corporations are good at lobbying. They shape policy. Politicians do not only like big corporations, they allow them a lot of influence, so they can shape policy to advantage themselves against smaller competitors.
I think that is the critical point.
Big corporations are good at lobbying. They shape policy. Politicians do not only like big corporations, they allow them a lot of influence, so they can shape policy to advantage themselves against smaller competitors.
Which also includes building bureaucracy moats- that load smaller competitors with unpaid for paperwork and prevent them from operating. Which is never really addressed as source of state inefficiency in liberal literature. At some point, the creature gets hacked by the actual ruler (monopolistic cooperations) and used as a sock puppet.
> Which also includes building bureaucracy moats- that load smaller competitors with unpaid for paperwork and prevent them from operating
Exactly. one of the defining moments for my political views was hearing the CEO of a big pub company explaining that this was why they could keep expanding as smaller competitors gave up because of the administrative burden.
Both governments and big business live complex rules.
Exactly. one of the defining moments for my political views was hearing the CEO of a big pub company explaining that this was why they could keep expanding as smaller competitors gave up because of the administrative burden.
Both governments and big business live complex rules.
I'm not sure which CEO you specifically heard, but this[only] is a great example of what you're talking about. Llloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs, making statements to this effect in 2015.
[only]https://www.wsj.com/articles/regulation-is-good-for-goldman-...
[only]https://www.wsj.com/articles/regulation-is-good-for-goldman-...
Thanks, that is a brilliant quote.
The CEO I heard was Ted Tuppen, who ran Enterprise Inns, a big British pub company.
Shows what a wide range of things this is true for!
The CEO I heard was Ted Tuppen, who ran Enterprise Inns, a big British pub company.
Shows what a wide range of things this is true for!
I’m thinking it must be mentioned more than you think, since I’m a proper lefty and even I think there’s a problem there.
Maybe you are aware of the problem because you are a "proper lefty"?
A dying breed these days, unfortunately.
It is certainly glossed over by "market fundamentalist" types who tend to think let the market do its work is magic pixie dust.
A dying breed these days, unfortunately.
It is certainly glossed over by "market fundamentalist" types who tend to think let the market do its work is magic pixie dust.
Are there many of those left anymore? Everytime i encounter it and probe it, its basically some thin layer of paint on basically neo-feudalism "whose bread i eat
those song i sing" mercenary mentality. Probe for the "not-a-real-ism" shism and if they do not want to go back to small companies fighting, but prefer big behemoths stagnating- not a true free market spirit- also a indicator, if they integrate well into hierarchies.
Meh, markets are a useful tool for the allocation of resources, but like everything you need to keep an eye on what they're doing and who's benefiting. And like everything you need to keep an eye on the people entrusted with keeping an eye on things as well.
If this is true, why do corporations lobby against regulation? Either they want more regulations to build this "moat", or they don't. If both outcomes result in a win for them, (deregulation vs moat-building by greater regulation) why spend money on lobbying?
I think two things happen:
1. They say they are opposed to regulations publicly, but indicate they will "compromise" privately. 2. They lobby against some regulations and against others.
Here is an example of a business openly asking for more regulation: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51518773 I actually agree with some of his arguments, but I do not think his motives are exactly pure.
1. They say they are opposed to regulations publicly, but indicate they will "compromise" privately. 2. They lobby against some regulations and against others.
Here is an example of a business openly asking for more regulation: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51518773 I actually agree with some of his arguments, but I do not think his motives are exactly pure.
> Almost nobody likes this development,
Most people don't even care, since now there are so many more independent sources of easily accessible information than anyone could have envisioned 40 years ago.
In fact, of decades of being in tech, having a lot of friends and connections, I don't know I have even heard one friend lament this, ever. Compare that to the many topics I regularly hear people worry about, or the hundreds of conversations on various repeating topics, I find it way out of touch to think this topic is that big to nearly anyone.
> Almost everyone except politicians is critical of big corporations
Also not true. I suspect you're in some 20s aged echo chamber?
> Without regulation, small businesses will not be able to compete with the giants.
Regulation historically serves to entrench big business since they can more easily afford to ensure they meet regulations, and can amortize legal and employment issues than mom and pop stores.
> leaving small mom-and-pop businesses by the wayside.
The fact is that small businesses have increased much more rapidly in the last decade than perhaps ever. There are over 30 million small businesses in the US, and out of a population of 345M (including infants, teens, retirees...) that is around one small business per 5 working age adults. [1] Read some about small businesses before making so many claims apparently based on poor sources.
[1] https://www.uschamber.com/small-business/small-business-data...
Most people don't even care, since now there are so many more independent sources of easily accessible information than anyone could have envisioned 40 years ago.
In fact, of decades of being in tech, having a lot of friends and connections, I don't know I have even heard one friend lament this, ever. Compare that to the many topics I regularly hear people worry about, or the hundreds of conversations on various repeating topics, I find it way out of touch to think this topic is that big to nearly anyone.
> Almost everyone except politicians is critical of big corporations
Also not true. I suspect you're in some 20s aged echo chamber?
> Without regulation, small businesses will not be able to compete with the giants.
Regulation historically serves to entrench big business since they can more easily afford to ensure they meet regulations, and can amortize legal and employment issues than mom and pop stores.
> leaving small mom-and-pop businesses by the wayside.
The fact is that small businesses have increased much more rapidly in the last decade than perhaps ever. There are over 30 million small businesses in the US, and out of a population of 345M (including infants, teens, retirees...) that is around one small business per 5 working age adults. [1] Read some about small businesses before making so many claims apparently based on poor sources.
[1] https://www.uschamber.com/small-business/small-business-data...
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> Regulation historically serves to entrench big business since they can more easily afford to ensure they meet regulations, and can amortize legal and employment issues than mom and pop stores.
How has the regulatory framework changed during the last few administrations and congresses? Who has lobbied for this (de)regulation? Has it led to less conglomeration or more?
Regulation is good, regulation is bad. It depends entirely on what it consists of. Changes in regulation historically has probably generally served to entrench big business through extensive and ever increasing lobbying, but that includes both regulation and deregulation.
How has the regulatory framework changed during the last few administrations and congresses? Who has lobbied for this (de)regulation? Has it led to less conglomeration or more?
Regulation is good, regulation is bad. It depends entirely on what it consists of. Changes in regulation historically has probably generally served to entrench big business through extensive and ever increasing lobbying, but that includes both regulation and deregulation.
> Regulation is good, regulation is bad.
That's vastly too simplistic. There's not some simple good versus evil linear axis for nearly anything, including regulation. Regulation provides tradeoffs, and even those are likely never simply two sided.
> Changes in regulation historically has probably generally served to entrench big business
Yes, that's what I wrote, and for the reasons I wrote it. To rephrase: regulation often means companies must comply with new rules, and keeping track of those changes and complying costs money (=time). Such things ten to have a fixed cost and an amortized cost. Big businesses can spread the fixed cost over more revenue.
So it almost matters not at all what the regulation is - if there's a rule that needs followed, whether it's employee benefits, waste management, financial tracking, OSHA, EPA, IRS, or anything - each adds costs to every business.
And most of them are easier to deal with on a per revenue basis as revenue increases.
That's vastly too simplistic. There's not some simple good versus evil linear axis for nearly anything, including regulation. Regulation provides tradeoffs, and even those are likely never simply two sided.
> Changes in regulation historically has probably generally served to entrench big business
Yes, that's what I wrote, and for the reasons I wrote it. To rephrase: regulation often means companies must comply with new rules, and keeping track of those changes and complying costs money (=time). Such things ten to have a fixed cost and an amortized cost. Big businesses can spread the fixed cost over more revenue.
So it almost matters not at all what the regulation is - if there's a rule that needs followed, whether it's employee benefits, waste management, financial tracking, OSHA, EPA, IRS, or anything - each adds costs to every business.
And most of them are easier to deal with on a per revenue basis as revenue increases.
Well said. It's hilarious people don't know about regulatory capture and have so much faith in politicians.
I do listen to local channels often when driving (not in USA). I think they have often very interesting personalities who are very interested in music and who present good material, I'm learning about new artists or people's backgrounds etc. Sometimes their style of speaking is quite is odd (maybe they were an alcoholic earlier) but that doesn't bother me so much, you get used to it after a minute. I'll take that any day over the hyper-excited people that fill the general channels with empty speech.
The problem with radio is that it's a never ending filler episode made even worse by awful and constant advertisement.
The same exists with everything: podcasts, youtube videos, books and so on.
Books, if well chosen, do not have that problem. You pay for the content outright (or your library did), so there's no need to cram advertising in, so the content can actually be designed to be useful rather than to drag out the attention between ad segments.
> Almost everyone except politicians is critical of big corporations, yet they're ever growing like a tumor, leaving small mom-and-pop businesses by the wayside.
Corporations found themselves a river of wealth flowing throught the economy and squat on it. That how they became corporations. By walking randomly they landed in a profitable spot, which allowed them to grow like a tumor and extract even more value. That's why politicians are interested in them, because they can leach some of that wealth that's getting extracted. Mom and pop shops are just potential corporations that sat in the wrong spot. They are failed businesses. What's why governement doesn't pay attention to them. While corporations are pumping out rivers of wealth with industrial pumps mom and pop shops are just treading a little bit of liquid wealth in a puddle with a short stick and taking out a little bit that stuck to it. Effect on community, jobs and such is totally irrelevant. Government and the rich don't care about poor people unless there's a chance they might rebel.
When you say "everyone except politicians is critical" - "everyone" means, nobody important.
Corporations found themselves a river of wealth flowing throught the economy and squat on it. That how they became corporations. By walking randomly they landed in a profitable spot, which allowed them to grow like a tumor and extract even more value. That's why politicians are interested in them, because they can leach some of that wealth that's getting extracted. Mom and pop shops are just potential corporations that sat in the wrong spot. They are failed businesses. What's why governement doesn't pay attention to them. While corporations are pumping out rivers of wealth with industrial pumps mom and pop shops are just treading a little bit of liquid wealth in a puddle with a short stick and taking out a little bit that stuck to it. Effect on community, jobs and such is totally irrelevant. Government and the rich don't care about poor people unless there's a chance they might rebel.
When you say "everyone except politicians is critical" - "everyone" means, nobody important.
There is another way, of course, which is public radio. It sounds like King just operated his stations at a loss, but maybe a non profit model could have survived?
I currently live in Nashville TN and the local public radio music station is so good that I never use algorithmic streaming any more.
I do, however, have a lot of t-shirts and tote bags.
https://wnxp.org/
I currently live in Nashville TN and the local public radio music station is so good that I never use algorithmic streaming any more.
I do, however, have a lot of t-shirts and tote bags.
https://wnxp.org/
Regulatory capture protects big business and makes it all but impossible for new comers enter the market and weighs down existing small business with the burden of compliance. We need fewer regulations, not more.
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You see this happening because large corps simply are more efficient. This is why you'll see communists be against small mom and pop businesses, one in part because the proprietors hold up Capitalism as the petit bourgeois, but also because you get way more done for less by consolidating.
The main difference being you can't vote on a Corporation's behavior but theoretically, you have some say in your government's handling of state-owned industry.
(inb4 communist dictatorships) At the local level in existing socialist/communist states, there's unions and local leaders who have to answer to the workers generally.
Not a perfect system, but hey, China will execute the CEO if they sell poisonous baby food. Can't say the same for whoever was responsible for the Boar's head poisonings.
The main difference being you can't vote on a Corporation's behavior but theoretically, you have some say in your government's handling of state-owned industry.
(inb4 communist dictatorships) At the local level in existing socialist/communist states, there's unions and local leaders who have to answer to the workers generally.
Not a perfect system, but hey, China will execute the CEO if they sell poisonous baby food. Can't say the same for whoever was responsible for the Boar's head poisonings.
> You see this happening because large corps simply are more efficient.
More efficient in terms of doing things at low cost in a system them manipulated to give them a cost advantage. True. Supermarkets are monopsony buyers, tech companies use patent thickets to keep out new entrants. They lobby for regulations that small businesses without separate compliance departments cannot afford to keep up with.
More efficient in terms of doing things at low cost in a system them manipulated to give them a cost advantage. True. Supermarkets are monopsony buyers, tech companies use patent thickets to keep out new entrants. They lobby for regulations that small businesses without separate compliance departments cannot afford to keep up with.
The first time this happened was due to de-regulation under Bill Clinton in the 90s, triggering a wave of consolidation by the "Telecommunications Act of 1996", driving many small broadcasters out of the market. [0]
The second time was shortly before the election, giving left-wing activist billionaire George Soros control over 200 stations [1] [2], in an expedited process that usually takes over a year.
It is not hard to see why they accelerated it and why they approved it at all.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996
[1] https://www.foxnews.com/media/george-soros-closer-controllin...
[2] https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-langworthy-probe-p...
The second time was shortly before the election, giving left-wing activist billionaire George Soros control over 200 stations [1] [2], in an expedited process that usually takes over a year.
It is not hard to see why they accelerated it and why they approved it at all.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996
[1] https://www.foxnews.com/media/george-soros-closer-controllin...
[2] https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-langworthy-probe-p...
Reagan set the scene for this in the 70s with broad economic deregulation and crippling of anti trust enforcement. This established a narrative of the self-correcting nature of markets and the negative consequences of any government intervention or regulation.
Only recently in the Biden administration has this narrative met serious challenges, with for example the appointment of Lina Khan and a comeback for anti trust activity.
Worryingly, Trump looks set to rewind anti trust activity against mega corporations like Google, ontop of hiring mega corporation advocates into his cabinet, and likely firing Khan despite her incredible performance.
Only recently in the Biden administration has this narrative met serious challenges, with for example the appointment of Lina Khan and a comeback for anti trust activity.
Worryingly, Trump looks set to rewind anti trust activity against mega corporations like Google, ontop of hiring mega corporation advocates into his cabinet, and likely firing Khan despite her incredible performance.
> Reagan set the scene for this in the 70s
Ronald Reagan was president from 1981 - 1989. He may have been a Republican, but his actual policies were quite left-wing (eg no-fault divorce, amnesty for illegal immigrants).
Ronald Reagan was president from 1981 - 1989. He may have been a Republican, but his actual policies were quite left-wing (eg no-fault divorce, amnesty for illegal immigrants).
Raegan had left-wing policies? Are you trying to reinterpret history to suit your views? Look at this page [1], how are austerity and capital gain tax cuts left-wing again?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics
My bad about the dates. The Chicago school of neoclassical economics came in during the 70s, but Reaganomics was put in place in the 80s.
But to frame Reagan as left-wing is disingenuous. Immigration and divorce were very minor focuses of his policies. He was very much right-wing on healthcare, regulation, crime, welfare, abortion, etc...
But to frame Reagan as left-wing is disingenuous. Immigration and divorce were very minor focuses of his policies. He was very much right-wing on healthcare, regulation, crime, welfare, abortion, etc...
I would not go so far as to say Reagan was overall left-wing, but he did some things are are very left-wing and also had a huge impact and weren't minor at all. California has been a blue state since his immigration amnesty, this was not the case before - it was usually solid red.
Was Bill Clinton "right wing" because of his free trade politics (eg NAFTA)?
Contemporary left-wing politics do not look like communist Russia when it comes to the economy. The American use of the term "liberal" (or "liberalism") is more useful in that regard, and that includes free trade, and also immigration of foreign labor, something that naive observers might categorise as "neoliberal" or "turbo-capitalist", except that many left-wing governments engaged it in (US, Canada, UK and many more).
Contemporary left-wing politics do not look like communist Russia when it comes to the economy. The American use of the term "liberal" (or "liberalism") is more useful in that regard, and that includes free trade, and also immigration of foreign labor, something that naive observers might categorise as "neoliberal" or "turbo-capitalist", except that many left-wing governments engaged it in (US, Canada, UK and many more).
It seems to me that your main mistake here is assuming that parties like the US Democratic Party, the UK Labour Party, the Canadian Liberal Party, etc. are left-wing. They aren't. They've been practicing "Third Way" politics for decades now, and there's very little left-wing about their proposals. IMO this is the source of a lot of public discontent with these parties: They don't offer a true alternative, just a diet version of the same policies that largely harm the public.
> Was Bill Clinton "right wing" because of his free trade politics (eg NAFTA)?
Yes! This is the point. Who benefited from Clinton's economic policies? It certainly wasn't the employees of the companies who offshored production because they were incentivized to by NAFTA. By capitulating to the right on economic issues and trying to differentiate only on the basis of social issues, the Democratic Party ceded its strongest argument: That turbo-capitalist (as you put it) economic policy only benefits corporations and the wealthy, and harms labor and the country as a whole. Democrats as a party cannot credibly make that argument anymore, because they're fully complicit. A few politicians carry lonely torches for actual left-wing politics (e.g. Bernie Sanders), but for the most part, there's close to zero power behind left wing ideas today.
> Was Bill Clinton "right wing" because of his free trade politics (eg NAFTA)?
Yes! This is the point. Who benefited from Clinton's economic policies? It certainly wasn't the employees of the companies who offshored production because they were incentivized to by NAFTA. By capitulating to the right on economic issues and trying to differentiate only on the basis of social issues, the Democratic Party ceded its strongest argument: That turbo-capitalist (as you put it) economic policy only benefits corporations and the wealthy, and harms labor and the country as a whole. Democrats as a party cannot credibly make that argument anymore, because they're fully complicit. A few politicians carry lonely torches for actual left-wing politics (e.g. Bernie Sanders), but for the most part, there's close to zero power behind left wing ideas today.
I probably don't share your definition of what "left-wing" is, but how would you define it?
Broadly, left-wing politics favors making money and power more diffuse and is suspicious of hierarchy, right-wing politics favors making money and power more concentrated and embraces hierarchy. Politics is, of course, messy and not everything fits neatly into this framework (and people have idiosyncratic opinions sometimes), but that's how I view it in broad strokes. What about you?
> Broadly, left-wing politics favors making money and power more diffuse and is suspicious of hierarchy
How do you "make money more diffuse"? I would agree that the hierarchy thing is broadly correct, and many use this definition, but I find it unsatisfactory, as it does not move me in any way. "Yeah hierarchy is so cool man" said no one ever.
Taking left-wing ideology at face value is a mistake, what is interesting is the underlying psychology. The stated goals and how it plays out in practise are never aligned, thus the "real communism has never been tried" meme. If you are attached to leftism or simply never delved deeper into political philosophy, these definitions might offend you, but they are psychologically correct:
"The bugman pretends to be motivated by compassion, but is instead motivated by a titanic hatred of the well-turned-out and beautiful." [BAP]
"Communism is when ugly deformed freaks make it illegal to be normal then rob and/or kill all successful people out of petty resentment and cruelty. The ideology is all just window dressing." [Mystery Grove]
How do you "make money more diffuse"? I would agree that the hierarchy thing is broadly correct, and many use this definition, but I find it unsatisfactory, as it does not move me in any way. "Yeah hierarchy is so cool man" said no one ever.
Taking left-wing ideology at face value is a mistake, what is interesting is the underlying psychology. The stated goals and how it plays out in practise are never aligned, thus the "real communism has never been tried" meme. If you are attached to leftism or simply never delved deeper into political philosophy, these definitions might offend you, but they are psychologically correct:
"The bugman pretends to be motivated by compassion, but is instead motivated by a titanic hatred of the well-turned-out and beautiful." [BAP]
"Communism is when ugly deformed freaks make it illegal to be normal then rob and/or kill all successful people out of petty resentment and cruelty. The ideology is all just window dressing." [Mystery Grove]
> I would agree that the hierarchy thing is broadly correct, and many use this definition, but I find it unsatisfactory, as it does not move me in any way. "Yeah hierarchy is so cool man" said no one ever.
And yet, the two quotes you put forth as "psychologically correct" both use hierarchies as assumed priors. In the first, a hierarchy between "the well-turned-out and beautiful" and everyone else, and in the second, a hierarchy between "ugly deformed freaks" and "normal [people]". Do you feel that these are useful distinctions to make when setting public policy?
> Taking left-wing ideology at face value is a mistake
Taking any ideology at face value is a mistake. Words are cheap; it's easy to say one thing and do another, especially when political parties control entire media ecosystems due to the consolidation of media companies that the root comment of this thread was discussing. Is the Chinese Communist Party communist in any meaningful sense? Does it serve to weaken or reinforce hierarchies? Does it seek to empower its constituents, or consolidate power for the benefit of the few?
> How do you "make money more diffuse"?
There are tons of ways to do this, some better, some worse, and I think it's out of scope to go through them all. We do at least have a direct measurement of this one, though, called the Gini coefficient.
And yet, the two quotes you put forth as "psychologically correct" both use hierarchies as assumed priors. In the first, a hierarchy between "the well-turned-out and beautiful" and everyone else, and in the second, a hierarchy between "ugly deformed freaks" and "normal [people]". Do you feel that these are useful distinctions to make when setting public policy?
> Taking left-wing ideology at face value is a mistake
Taking any ideology at face value is a mistake. Words are cheap; it's easy to say one thing and do another, especially when political parties control entire media ecosystems due to the consolidation of media companies that the root comment of this thread was discussing. Is the Chinese Communist Party communist in any meaningful sense? Does it serve to weaken or reinforce hierarchies? Does it seek to empower its constituents, or consolidate power for the benefit of the few?
> How do you "make money more diffuse"?
There are tons of ways to do this, some better, some worse, and I think it's out of scope to go through them all. We do at least have a direct measurement of this one, though, called the Gini coefficient.
Max thread depth reached, so continuing here.
> And yet, the two quotes you put forth as "psychologically correct" both use hierarchies as assumed priors.
This is correct, but I would rather call it "accepting reality", not "motivating factor".
> Do you feel that these are useful distinctions to make when setting public policy?
Without a doubt: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gdz4G24WIAA6TEd?format=png&name=...
> Taking any ideology at face value is a mistake. Words are cheap; it's easy to say one thing and do another, especially when political parties control entire media ecosystems due to the consolidation of media companies that the root comment of this thread was discussing. Is the Chinese Communist Party communist in any meaningful sense? Does it serve to weaken or reinforce hierarchies? Does it seek to empower its constituents, or consolidate power for the benefit of the few?
I agree. This is why studying history is important.
> [...] Gini coefficient
So, equality. How did that work out for checks notes every single time it was tried, ever.
> And yet, the two quotes you put forth as "psychologically correct" both use hierarchies as assumed priors.
This is correct, but I would rather call it "accepting reality", not "motivating factor".
> Do you feel that these are useful distinctions to make when setting public policy?
Without a doubt: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gdz4G24WIAA6TEd?format=png&name=...
> Taking any ideology at face value is a mistake. Words are cheap; it's easy to say one thing and do another, especially when political parties control entire media ecosystems due to the consolidation of media companies that the root comment of this thread was discussing. Is the Chinese Communist Party communist in any meaningful sense? Does it serve to weaken or reinforce hierarchies? Does it seek to empower its constituents, or consolidate power for the benefit of the few?
I agree. This is why studying history is important.
> [...] Gini coefficient
So, equality. How did that work out for checks notes every single time it was tried, ever.
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> "Yeah hierarchy is so cool man" said no one ever.
Perhaps not in those exact words. I'd argue that an implicit desire for hierarchy pervades a lot of right-wing thought. E.g. wanting a strong leader, a harsh penalty system, and traditional paternalistic social stratification.
Perhaps not in those exact words. I'd argue that an implicit desire for hierarchy pervades a lot of right-wing thought. E.g. wanting a strong leader, a harsh penalty system, and traditional paternalistic social stratification.
Yeah, it may be misleading to characterise individuals as definitively right or left wing. And of course the left/right divide has to be considered in the context of the country's current situation. That said, policies favouring deregulation, privatisation, and laissez faire capitalism are generally seen as right-wing. Both Reagan and Clinton implemented such policies as we've discussed above to the general detriment of the consumer.
George Soros is jewish and holds some culturally progressive views, which makes him a prime target for the right's hate [1], but economically he is absolutely a neoliberalist, seeking global free trade.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros_conspiracy_theori...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros_conspiracy_theori...
> George Soros
> holds some culturally progressive views
This made me laugh.
Your attempt at implying anti-semitism is misguided (putting it generous), since Bill Ackmann, David Sacks or, gasp, Curtis Yarvin and Costin Alamariu are all prominent jewish figures of the right-center.
Also I do not think you have any idea what "neoliberal" actually means.
> holds some culturally progressive views
This made me laugh.
Your attempt at implying anti-semitism is misguided (putting it generous), since Bill Ackmann, David Sacks or, gasp, Curtis Yarvin and Costin Alamariu are all prominent jewish figures of the right-center.
Also I do not think you have any idea what "neoliberal" actually means.
I don't have to imply anti-semitism, he is very regularly pointed to as an example of the so-called "jewish question" many MAGA-types believe in, refer to the previous page I linked. From this very page:
> Also in 2023, Tesla, Inc./SpaceX CEO and owner of social media platform X (formerly known as Twitter) Elon Musk compared George Soros to Jewish Marvel Comics supervillain Magneto and accused him of wanting "to erode the very fabric of civilization" because he "hates humanity". He later alleged that the Soros organization wants "nothing less than the destruction of western civilization” in reply to a X user speculating about a “George Soros led invasion” of Europe by North African immigrants.
I saw from one of your other comments that you believe Raegan's policies were left-wing, so whatever you think neoliberalism is, I think my definition is closer to the truth. Soros is still very much pro markets, pro free trade. This is not a value judgement, simply something you can read on his wikipedia page.
> Also in 2023, Tesla, Inc./SpaceX CEO and owner of social media platform X (formerly known as Twitter) Elon Musk compared George Soros to Jewish Marvel Comics supervillain Magneto and accused him of wanting "to erode the very fabric of civilization" because he "hates humanity". He later alleged that the Soros organization wants "nothing less than the destruction of western civilization” in reply to a X user speculating about a “George Soros led invasion” of Europe by North African immigrants.
I saw from one of your other comments that you believe Raegan's policies were left-wing, so whatever you think neoliberalism is, I think my definition is closer to the truth. Soros is still very much pro markets, pro free trade. This is not a value judgement, simply something you can read on his wikipedia page.
We can agree that there are unfortunately a lot of not very bright "rw" types that engage in dumb anti-semitism. Not every criticism of Soros is that.
There are also a lot of simple-minded lefties engaging in anti-semitism, for obvious reasons.
There are also a lot of simple-minded lefties engaging in anti-semitism, for obvious reasons.
You're doing a whataboutism. Neonazis are voting for Trump, that's a fact. Anti-semitism on the left is nowhere near as mainstream as it is on the right.
Regarding Soros, he is the target of a unique amount of hate, much more than other billionaires, when he is far from the worst of them. And it's coming from the right, from the aforementioned reasons.
Regarding Soros, he is the target of a unique amount of hate, much more than other billionaires, when he is far from the worst of them. And it's coming from the right, from the aforementioned reasons.
Are you trying to say with a straight face that a law introduced by a Republican and passed by the first Republican-controlled legislature in 40 years is "de-regulation under Bill Clinton"? And then, surprise, George Soros pops into the mix without any mention of Romney-connected Bain Capital owning part of iHeart/Clear Channel which is an order of magnitude bigger?
Seems intellectually disingenuous to me.
Seems intellectually disingenuous to me.
I would add Sinclair to the stack:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group
I see we both hate Mitt Romney, thats a start.
Politics is starting to turn more and more into a football match.
And if you don't want to play along with the 'winner-takes-all' dynamic, then by consequence you'll lose anyway.
Politics as the heart of deliberative democracy seems already like a long lost ideal, or maybe that is too romantic a thought and it never really was like this to begin with? Maybe I am just getting old.
And if you don't want to play along with the 'winner-takes-all' dynamic, then by consequence you'll lose anyway.
Politics as the heart of deliberative democracy seems already like a long lost ideal, or maybe that is too romantic a thought and it never really was like this to begin with? Maybe I am just getting old.
You are onto something here. If this topic interests you, there are worse places than https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/.
The writing style can be challenging at times, but it will answer some of your questions.
The writing style can be challenging at times, but it will answer some of your questions.
In the past elections were, at least on occassion, won by massive landslides, before then the 'other side' ending up back in power.
This is only possible if people, at scale, were voting based on merit, rather than tribalism.
Nowadays either side could run a literal vegetable and get near half the vote.
This is only possible if people, at scale, were voting based on merit, rather than tribalism.
Nowadays either side could run a literal vegetable and get near half the vote.
It was always a strong reality in places where politics are a over simplistic two sided view "Left" vs "Right".
This botched view can only lead to the herd mentality of "if you're not like us, you're wrong", which in the US or South Korea has slowly turned to "if you're note like us, you're dangerous".
Democracy needs a personal implication into complex concepts that can't be answered with yes or no and many people lack the will to understand those concepts. Whoever comes forward and says "I'll handle this complex issue this way" will be the new messiah.
This now seems like the downside of bringing huge knowledge to the masses with the internet. Now that everyone knows everything, they don't want anything to do with it.
Maybe it's also linked to a current trend that you're supposed to have an opinion about everything happening. If you say that you're with the "magenta" party, everybody knows "your opinion" without the need of forging one yourself.
This botched view can only lead to the herd mentality of "if you're not like us, you're wrong", which in the US or South Korea has slowly turned to "if you're note like us, you're dangerous".
Democracy needs a personal implication into complex concepts that can't be answered with yes or no and many people lack the will to understand those concepts. Whoever comes forward and says "I'll handle this complex issue this way" will be the new messiah.
This now seems like the downside of bringing huge knowledge to the masses with the internet. Now that everyone knows everything, they don't want anything to do with it.
Maybe it's also linked to a current trend that you're supposed to have an opinion about everything happening. If you say that you're with the "magenta" party, everybody knows "your opinion" without the need of forging one yourself.
You have no idea who I hate. To me Mitt Romney is on the same footing as George Soros or the Easter bunny. I've never met them. They are notions that live in my head based on things I've heard and read about them in the media. I might dislike the idea of them or what they've supposedly done but to hate them would be absurd.
To say that mutual hatred of Santa Claus-level figures is a starting point for discourse says a lot about your attitude. Please review the HN commenting guidelines.
To say that mutual hatred of Santa Claus-level figures is a starting point for discourse says a lot about your attitude. Please review the HN commenting guidelines.
> Almost everyone except politicians is critical of big corporations, yet they're ever growing like a tumor, leaving small mom-and-pop businesses by the wayside.
Unfortunately that isn't really true. Many might think the idea of being local is reasonable, but they don't really support it.
It's the same with startups. Many like they idea but ask them how to get affordable housing, healthcare and transportation so you can actually make ramen profitability, burn rate and opportunity cost work and they will at best ramble about zoning, taxes and bureaucracy.
Most of the time it isn't someone else doing it. Not the politicians, not the corporations, but the local population themselves. They are the ones lowering taxes, defunding colleges, buying cars, going to big box stores and supporting their local mini real estate tycoons. Until everyone who can leave for a bigger place. Which while not local have enough verity that you can carve out your own space.
People are even going to Thailand, Argentina, Portugal, China and other places to get a different lifestyle. They would go just about anywhere there was actual support for the local community. And sure, it isn't like other bigger developments doesn't affect the situation, but it is 'on the ground' that the changes are happening.
Unfortunately that isn't really true. Many might think the idea of being local is reasonable, but they don't really support it.
It's the same with startups. Many like they idea but ask them how to get affordable housing, healthcare and transportation so you can actually make ramen profitability, burn rate and opportunity cost work and they will at best ramble about zoning, taxes and bureaucracy.
Most of the time it isn't someone else doing it. Not the politicians, not the corporations, but the local population themselves. They are the ones lowering taxes, defunding colleges, buying cars, going to big box stores and supporting their local mini real estate tycoons. Until everyone who can leave for a bigger place. Which while not local have enough verity that you can carve out your own space.
People are even going to Thailand, Argentina, Portugal, China and other places to get a different lifestyle. They would go just about anywhere there was actual support for the local community. And sure, it isn't like other bigger developments doesn't affect the situation, but it is 'on the ground' that the changes are happening.
Why are you asking startups to change your politics? Go organize if you want to fix zoning. Business shouldn't be asked to do that, or you go down a path you will not be happy with.
I'm not asking startups to change politics. The opposite. It is often literally like I said. You ask someone do you support startups? Yes. Do you support innovation? Yes. Do you support education? Yes.
So where in your region can I live to have runway to start a business? Where can I find a space to do some manufacturing? How can I attend the local college? Well, actually... *excuses*.
Most just blatantly doesn't support their local community. They complain that the business are closing then defund and sell everything local, lower taxes and spend the money elsewhere.
I wish it was more complex than that, but in most cases it isn't. In many cases the local car dealership and contractors are doing well. Because that is what they actually prioritize and spend money on in those communities.
So where in your region can I live to have runway to start a business? Where can I find a space to do some manufacturing? How can I attend the local college? Well, actually... *excuses*.
Most just blatantly doesn't support their local community. They complain that the business are closing then defund and sell everything local, lower taxes and spend the money elsewhere.
I wish it was more complex than that, but in most cases it isn't. In many cases the local car dealership and contractors are doing well. Because that is what they actually prioritize and spend money on in those communities.
Bingo, everyone wants to pass the buck and blame some nefarious evil corp while they drive ever further out into the burbs, constantly vote to lower taxes and complain loudly whenever their communities try to do anything that might benefit everyone at the expense of the sight lines of a half dozen property owners. OP should ask a librarian who's the bigger threat, Walmart or their neighbors.
I own a licensed FM radio station in the U.S. The only way I see to make it work is as a one-person operation, as there's no way to afford a staff.
I wrote a lot of scripts to make it happen.
I wrote a lot of scripts to make it happen.
Sound interesting, do you have a blog or something to learn more? I've always been interested in something like this.
I’ve been thinking about documenting the journey online, likely in the form of a blog. I know I would have been interested in reading about someone who took this step before I did. So, the answer right now is "no," but hopefully, when I get a chance, that will change.
Hi RF_Enthusiast. Myself and a few friends are doing the same thing as a result of the most recent non-commercial filing window. Would love to connect with you in some way if you're open to it, would love to compare notes and see what kind of scripting you've set up (we also use lots of scripts and write lots of code). Our call letters are KRDF if you'd like to reach out.
Care to share how you get advertisers and how you track how many listeners you have?
I wonder how this compares to to the way online media works
I wonder how this compares to to the way online media works
I’m early into the ownership journey, but in my situation, the station serves a tourist resort area, so the station is trying to capture listeners coming in on the highways into town. The advertiser base I’m developing is primarily made up of tourist-based businesses.
My market is too small to be measured by Nielsen’s media ratings, so there’s no great way to measure it at the moment.
My market is too small to be measured by Nielsen’s media ratings, so there’s no great way to measure it at the moment.
I wonder if he called in requests Howard Hughes style - https://www.mentalfloss.com/posts/howard-hughes-bought-tv-st...
Remember this from the TV show Cheers. Robin is Robin Colcord who is a billionaire who is a love intest of the character Rebecca....
Rebecca Howe: [about Robin] I told him the biggest secret of my life.
Carla LeBec: What?
Rebecca Howe: I told him about You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling by The Righteous Brothers and what that song does to me. Right? Do you know what he did?
Carla LeBec: What?
Rebecca Howe: He called this radio station he owns and he had them play it all night.
Woody Boyd: I heard that. I thought that was the long version
Rebecca Howe: [about Robin] I told him the biggest secret of my life.
Carla LeBec: What?
Rebecca Howe: I told him about You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling by The Righteous Brothers and what that song does to me. Right? Do you know what he did?
Carla LeBec: What?
Rebecca Howe: He called this radio station he owns and he had them play it all night.
Woody Boyd: I heard that. I thought that was the long version
Of all the characters, I can't believe that Woody Harrelson would turn out to be the most talented :-)
Kelsey Grammer, Rhea Perlman, John Ratzenberger? Plenty of talent on Cheers!
TBH none of those have impressed me as much as Woody.
> I thought that was the long version
Tangentially related: It's common DJ knowledge that on the night shift, when you have to answer the call of nature, there's a few go-to songs. Obv Stairway to Heaven is one. Another is the extended version of Radar Love.
Tangentially related: It's common DJ knowledge that on the night shift, when you have to answer the call of nature, there's a few go-to songs. Obv Stairway to Heaven is one. Another is the extended version of Radar Love.
He'd hopefully make a better Maine themed Sven from Swiss Cottage.
This is how I learned Stephen King owned three radio stations in Maine.
maybe running a youtube channel is a better/cost effective option,
I think licensing becomes a bigger issue if you try to run a radio station on YouTube with any commercial music. Even if you're OK from all copyright perspectives and fully-licensed, YouTube's copyright system is really easy to abuse.
What should be a good deal more cost-effective is an old-fashioned, Icecast/Shoutcast/Azuracast-based internet radio station.
What should be a good deal more cost-effective is an old-fashioned, Icecast/Shoutcast/Azuracast-based internet radio station.
Well there’s the Lofi Girl: https://www.youtube.com/live/jfKfPfyJRdk
BGM Channel: https://www.youtube.com/live/s1KpZtdvAdA
The Good Life Radio: https://www.youtube.com/live/IkmLXvBfVv0
Every one of those has multiple concurrent streams too.
BGM Channel: https://www.youtube.com/live/s1KpZtdvAdA
The Good Life Radio: https://www.youtube.com/live/IkmLXvBfVv0
Every one of those has multiple concurrent streams too.
BGM channel is more a cover band than a radio station. I don’t know the details, but it is my impression that YouTube strikes are for copyrighted _recordings_ and not copyrighted written music.
In the same vain, I think that lo fi is more a DJ (in the modern musician sense) that was good at automating and promoting himself rather than someone choosing other people’s recordings. I don’t know the sample sources at all
In the same vain, I think that lo fi is more a DJ (in the modern musician sense) that was good at automating and promoting himself rather than someone choosing other people’s recordings. I don’t know the sample sources at all
This was never about the money, he just wanted to control over the programming at his local station that he was listening to.
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The death of radio is a damn shame.
I turned on the radio for kicks a few weeks ago, just to see what it was like nowadays.
Ads. It's all ads. Like 10 minute blocks of ads interleaved with radio hosts reading promo weather and promo traffic, followed by ads, then maybe a song. Then more ads.
Ads. It's all ads. Like 10 minute blocks of ads interleaved with radio hosts reading promo weather and promo traffic, followed by ads, then maybe a song. Then more ads.
Check out a listener-powered station such as KEXP at 90.3 (Seattle) or 92.7 (SF/Oakland). If you live outside of these regions they stream at KEXP.org or on their mobile app. You can also listen to the last two weeks of shows at https://www.kexp.org/archive/.
While I’m a long time fan of KEXP and KCRW, I just can’t say enough good things about KYRS. It’s a local broadcaster with dozens of eclectic shows by volunteer DJs who lovingly curate music and content. It’s broadcast out of our central library downtown and has a rather unreliable radio tower that had a tendency to go down during big storms. The programming is brimming with enthusiasm and positive energy, and has helped me discover music that simple wouldn’t get played anywhere else. I love how human the DJs are, they sometimes ramble, or miscue a track, maybe wander a bit far from the mic. It feels completely organic and in stark contrast with your average media in 2024. Check out their stream on https://kyrs.org
Yep, still going strong here in Rochester, NY as well with WBER: https://wber.org
I've listened to plenty of listener powered stations. They don't have ads. Just weeks of effectively ads when they are begging for donations. I'd rather have an ad.
Plus every listener powered station I've ever listened to has tons of shows I don't care about or even tolerate. Streaming doesn't have the same issue. Just as an example: your KEXP appears to play country, jazz, and electronic, reggae, and metal. I think a lot of people aren't going to be interested in all of those options.
Plus every listener powered station I've ever listened to has tons of shows I don't care about or even tolerate. Streaming doesn't have the same issue. Just as an example: your KEXP appears to play country, jazz, and electronic, reggae, and metal. I think a lot of people aren't going to be interested in all of those options.
I listen to KUTX and KEXP and appreciate that there are shows hosted by different DJs that play different genres at different times of the day, and week.
On Friday afternoons KUTX has had a old school dance show.
I don't really listen to funk or disco but I always enjoyed the energy of that show on Fridays, and have come to associate it with the weekend and get excited when it's on
I'm not interested in everything KUTX plays, but I'm way more interested in the variety they offer and the chance to discover new artists like Adrian Quesada, JUNGLE, or Khruangbin, who I otherwise never would have discovered, than I am in whatever twenty year old mainstream dreck is on iHeartRadio's single-genre no DJ shuffle broadcast
On Friday afternoons KUTX has had a old school dance show.
I don't really listen to funk or disco but I always enjoyed the energy of that show on Fridays, and have come to associate it with the weekend and get excited when it's on
I'm not interested in everything KUTX plays, but I'm way more interested in the variety they offer and the chance to discover new artists like Adrian Quesada, JUNGLE, or Khruangbin, who I otherwise never would have discovered, than I am in whatever twenty year old mainstream dreck is on iHeartRadio's single-genre no DJ shuffle broadcast
> I don't really listen to funk or disco but I always enjoyed the energy of that show on Fridays, and have come to associate it with the weekend and get excited when it's on
I had the same experience when I regularly listened to wfmu. The human connection is a really wonderful quality of broadcast radio.
I had the same experience when I regularly listened to wfmu. The human connection is a really wonderful quality of broadcast radio.
Also Seattle interestingly, C89.5 has a great live stream. No commercials, owned by Seattle Public Schools, and partially run by high school students.
Also WWOZ (https://wwoz.org/) from New Orleans.
Did not know that KEXP had an Oakland repeater. It would be nice if we could get one in the Portland area.
In the same vein, listener-supported WFMU.
ASCAP/BMI charge radio stations a lot for a license to play music. Spotify's licensing costs are pennies for the same reach as a local radio station. It's no surprise that the expensive distribution channel is packed with ads.
> Ads. It’s all ads.
Sounds like the internet. And TV.
Sounds like the internet. And TV.
>Sounds like the internet.
Not when you have an ad-blocker.
Not when you have an ad-blocker.
Having lived abroad for some years, I can attest that this is definitely worse in the US than elsewhere. There's definitely ads (less host-read promos, maybe), but it does not seem so overwhelming. I noticed the difference quite drastically once I moved back.
In Boston the college radio stations are a lovely and weird respite from the Cumulus and Iheart scourge.
Weirdly enough Canada seems to have better and less grating radio, anecdotal from my experience in BC.
Weirdly enough Canada seems to have better and less grating radio, anecdotal from my experience in BC.
KCRW out of Santa Monica is an extremely good station. But,like most, probably the exception that proves the rule.
Maybe it depends on the station? Classical California (KDFC) has few ads. Also, since classical music are relatively long, you get fewer interruptions between songs.
Amen. I also hate ads so much it's unreal.
Did you need an account to tune in?
I haven't listened to the radio in years because they closed down my stations! WBRU and WBCN!
I haven't listened to the radio in years because they closed down my stations! WBRU and WBCN!
I think there's a secret pirate in me that wonders if the time is right....
No FM radio station outside of a college campus has ever succeeded without ads and any form of media that I cannot pay for and receive ad-free is trash to me.
And as far as college radio goes, I'm don't need a new pothead to tell me how revolutionary Kind of Blue is every time the old one graduates.
Even public radio has ads. They use a fancy word instead of "ads" though back when I dumped any form of media from which I could not banish ads Archer Daniels Midland was one of public radio's largest sponsors... for... reasons.
And as far as college radio goes, I'm don't need a new pothead to tell me how revolutionary Kind of Blue is every time the old one graduates.
Even public radio has ads. They use a fancy word instead of "ads" though back when I dumped any form of media from which I could not banish ads Archer Daniels Midland was one of public radio's largest sponsors... for... reasons.
> No FM radio station outside of a college campus has ever succeeded without ads and any form of media that I cannot pay for and receive ad-free is trash to me.
Quite a few public radio stations in Europe don't have ads. They're paid by taxes and you receive them ad-free.
Quite a few public radio stations in Europe don't have ads. They're paid by taxes and you receive them ad-free.
In the US there is a requirement to make “public service announcements” every so often. Most of them are pre-written in a book by the board and you just read them.
I found one about the nutritional benefits of pork rinds and another about the versatility and utility of duct tape and just read those. Many of them were clearly commercial in nature. I forget if we were allowed to make our own.
I found one about the nutritional benefits of pork rinds and another about the versatility and utility of duct tape and just read those. Many of them were clearly commercial in nature. I forget if we were allowed to make our own.
I recently discovered an independent station in my town that has no ads, and real local DJs that play whatever the hell they feel like. I assume it's run as a labor of love. The music is refreshingly diverse. Deep cuts, artists I've never heard of, and popular songs from long ago that don't easily fit into a genre like "classic rock."
"And as far as college radio goes, I'm don't need a new pothead to tell me how revolutionary Kind of Blue is every time the old one graduates."
lol. yes. I am a dj on college radio and i hear & see this all the time. It's mildly amusing, but it also makes me the "wierd critical guy," because I have a deeper knowledge of music than them.
But you might be missing the fact that college radio isn't all college students. It's just public radio.
lol. yes. I am a dj on college radio and i hear & see this all the time. It's mildly amusing, but it also makes me the "wierd critical guy," because I have a deeper knowledge of music than them.
But you might be missing the fact that college radio isn't all college students. It's just public radio.
Counterpoint: radio, even independent/college rock radio in the heyday of independent/college rock, sucked ass compared to what we have now.
Counterpoint: no it didn't.
Independent/college radio was full of music (even if you didn't care for it) that was curated by people that gave a damn. They are/were better than whatever your algo thinks it can do.
Independent/college radio was full of music (even if you didn't care for it) that was curated by people that gave a damn. They are/were better than whatever your algo thinks it can do.
I have significantly more and better sources of human curation now than I did when I was listening to college radio.
Self-curated or do you have a good source for human-made playlists?
I feel like basically all I listen to is human-made playlists and recommendations from humans? RYM might be a good place for you to start, but you can also just do the obvious thing of starting from a couple playlists you like and finding other playlists by the same people. Eventually you'll find people who seemingly do this full-time.
Really weird for me to see people talking about how bad "the algo" is. Do people just open up Apple Music or Spotify and tell it "find stuff for me to play"? I know that's a thing it will do, but it never occurred to me that I'd actually want it to do that.
Really weird for me to see people talking about how bad "the algo" is. Do people just open up Apple Music or Spotify and tell it "find stuff for me to play"? I know that's a thing it will do, but it never occurred to me that I'd actually want it to do that.
>Do people just open up Apple Music or Spotify and tell it "find stuff for me to play"? I know that's a thing it will do, but it never occurred to me that I'd actually want it to do that.
I do this with Apple Music.
And, to be honest, "the algo" has been really good. The "create a station" feature has introduced me to a few dozen artists at least.
I do this with Apple Music.
And, to be honest, "the algo" has been really good. The "create a station" feature has introduced me to a few dozen artists at least.
There are an endless number of playlist mixes on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Music. I usually go for the YouTube ones because that will introduce me to music I’ve never listened to before, such as this one I discovered some some 5 to 6 years ago I still pull up when I want to listen: https://youtu.be/DbHa-pllnDU
If you want human curated music, you can have that. If you want an algo-driven mix, you can have that too. I flip between both and playlists I put together for myself.
If you want human curated music, you can have that. If you want an algo-driven mix, you can have that too. I flip between both and playlists I put together for myself.
Compared to what?
Radio does convey a sense of locality and connection that nothing else quite replaces for me (including web radio).
There's something unique about browsing the FM (or AM, where still available) in an unknown place, seeing whether you can still get the same station the next day on a road trip etc, and knowing that some people in the general area are listening to the exact same thing at the same time.
Long distance listening on shortwave can also be quite fun, although fewer and fewer countries are still active there. It's still fascinating to hear your home news an ocean away with just a small wire, a handheld radio, and no network whatsoever!
Obviously I wouldn't trade Spotify for it, but I'd still be sad to see it go.
Radio does convey a sense of locality and connection that nothing else quite replaces for me (including web radio).
There's something unique about browsing the FM (or AM, where still available) in an unknown place, seeing whether you can still get the same station the next day on a road trip etc, and knowing that some people in the general area are listening to the exact same thing at the same time.
Long distance listening on shortwave can also be quite fun, although fewer and fewer countries are still active there. It's still fascinating to hear your home news an ocean away with just a small wire, a handheld radio, and no network whatsoever!
Obviously I wouldn't trade Spotify for it, but I'd still be sad to see it go.
"Obviously I wouldn't trade Spotify for it" pretty much sums the whole thing up.
Seems like a false dichotomy to me. Why wouldn't there be room for both?
Personally, Spotify has replaced CDs and MP3s much more than radio, also.
Personally, Spotify has replaced CDs and MP3s much more than radio, also.
I didn't pose a dichotomy. I said one thing is better than the other. If enough people disagree, the crappier thing will survive regardless. I don't think they do, though, which is why terrestrial radio is dying.
The implied dichotomy being "for enough people, streaming is so much better than radio that they'll completely forego radio", or maybe "see, even you prefer Spotify over radio".
But that's not how it works. Even I, a single person, can very frequently listen to Spotify and occasionally listen to radio. I don't have to trade one for the other completely!
> If enough people disagree, the crappier thing will survive regardless. I don't think they do, though, which is why terrestrial radio is dying.
Is it really dying, or stabilizing at a lower-than-before-Spotify-but-non-zero rate? Listening rates in Germany and Austria have been pretty stable over the last 20 years, for example.
But that's not how it works. Even I, a single person, can very frequently listen to Spotify and occasionally listen to radio. I don't have to trade one for the other completely!
> If enough people disagree, the crappier thing will survive regardless. I don't think they do, though, which is why terrestrial radio is dying.
Is it really dying, or stabilizing at a lower-than-before-Spotify-but-non-zero rate? Listening rates in Germany and Austria have been pretty stable over the last 20 years, for example.
Well, people who own terrestrial popular music stations are losing millions of dollars and shutting them down.
> I wouldn't trade Spotify for it, but I'd still be sad to see it go.
Compared to that. Or listening to any Youtube or podcast instead of listening to the radio station hosts prattle on instead of playing the next track.
Nostalgia for radio is like nostalgia for the winter I worked at a cozy cafe at age 17: I have some good memories and every once in a while when I'm stressed at work I yearn for those simpler times... but there's a reason why I will never go back. No need to glorify it just because of some fading attachment to the yesteryears.
Compared to that. Or listening to any Youtube or podcast instead of listening to the radio station hosts prattle on instead of playing the next track.
Nostalgia for radio is like nostalgia for the winter I worked at a cozy cafe at age 17: I have some good memories and every once in a while when I'm stressed at work I yearn for those simpler times... but there's a reason why I will never go back. No need to glorify it just because of some fading attachment to the yesteryears.
Of course you're free to listen to whatever you want, but I'm still happy to tune in to my old home town/country radio station every once in a while (when visiting or via streaming), and I still find their programming quite enjoyable. So it's not abstract nostalgia to me.
I just think there is something liberating about radio. No subscription, free for anyone to tune into, and locality.
I don't think the medium (voice) is what sucked since podcasts are all the rage now. I think the difference (at least for me) is that with podcasts I get much less ads and much less garbage and straight the content I want.
ie: I want a techno beat radio. The traditional radio will keep cutting with ads and worse with someone who thinks I want to hear his voice announcing the song; or cutting to talk about something related/unrelated but that's not what I am looking for.
ie: I want a techno beat radio. The traditional radio will keep cutting with ads and worse with someone who thinks I want to hear his voice announcing the song; or cutting to talk about something related/unrelated but that's not what I am looking for.
All the TOP XX lists were completely made up by the music industry. And even many pirate radios were promoting their friends mostly.
But to be honest, now they got the grips on Spotify. And all the fake views on YT (like the making of "Despacito"). The music moguls are ruthless.
But to be honest, now they got the grips on Spotify. And all the fake views on YT (like the making of "Despacito"). The music moguls are ruthless.
It may be, but to be fair, I either stream music via Pandora or listen to Podcasts. Sometimes, I'll play specific music I have on my phone. Basically, my phone has replaced every function the car stereo had.
And for long trips, streaming beats terrestrial radio. After an hour or two, you'll have to search for new stations as you leave the range or the previous tower. Then you'd better hope there would be a station you could tolerate in some places.
Podcasts are superior to talk radio. As they're curated by you.
Etc, etc.
The major thing we've lost is the specific curation done by some stations. Top 40 radio is what it is, but some stations existed to play things outside the charts.
And for long trips, streaming beats terrestrial radio. After an hour or two, you'll have to search for new stations as you leave the range or the previous tower. Then you'd better hope there would be a station you could tolerate in some places.
Podcasts are superior to talk radio. As they're curated by you.
Etc, etc.
The major thing we've lost is the specific curation done by some stations. Top 40 radio is what it is, but some stations existed to play things outside the charts.
It’s not dead. Lots of good stations around. I recommend KYGT-LP out of Clear Creek Colorado. Lots of good stations also broadcast online it’s amazing.
How so?
Ok, sometimes it's nice to begin the day with a friendly voice. Like a companion, unobtrusive. But you can get that from podcasts.
Ok, sometimes it's nice to begin the day with a friendly voice. Like a companion, unobtrusive. But you can get that from podcasts.
The song needs to be updated to reflect our current reality.
It's not over yet; I just bought my college radio station's (WKNC) t-shirt.
WKNC represent! I DJed there in undergrad from 2007-2010. Great station.
I think so too but I'm conflicted. I wouldn't want to give up my infinite jukebox that I have on my phone, but at the same time I think the loss of shared culture is real.
American Graffiti is the movie that first made me think about it. The DJ (Wolfman Jack) is a central character in that movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ9Gp6Qc8LQ
American Graffiti is the movie that first made me think about it. The DJ (Wolfman Jack) is a central character in that movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ9Gp6Qc8LQ
There's NPR (not my thing) and some AM stations with interesting local talk shows. I still listen to baseball games on AM radio.
The comments regarding running a small radio station reminded me of this excellent blog post on how to motivate people when there isn't a lot of money available.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130409033601/http://www.articu...
TL;DR:
- guy goes to work at a small radio station
- station doesn't have a lot of money
- his boss works out some non-monetary incentives e.g. he loves surfing so he gets a flexible schedule etc
I know HN skews towards the "big tech, lots of money and RSU" end of the spectrum so always love to share this story for those who don't have that lever to pull.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130409033601/http://www.articu...
TL;DR:
- guy goes to work at a small radio station
- station doesn't have a lot of money
- his boss works out some non-monetary incentives e.g. he loves surfing so he gets a flexible schedule etc
I know HN skews towards the "big tech, lots of money and RSU" end of the spectrum so always love to share this story for those who don't have that lever to pull.
I never knew that! I just added the 3 stations to my iNternet radio app and will be listening right up until the end. Very sad...
I lament that I never listen to the radio. Really since I bought my first iPod I have not listened to the radio. With the smartphone I don't feel I really need the radio. My bandwidth for receiving information is far more wider and diverse than the radio can give me. Instead of radio stations, I think money should be spent on local journalists and amplifying those voices and let them choose their own mediums.
> I lament that I never listen to the radio.
I do not, I’m sure people who lived in larger markets had access to better programming, but where I lived radio was 90%+ ads, uninteresting political commentary and sports commentary. There were a few interesting high-quality programs (hi Car Talk), but they were very much the exception even 30 years ago.
The challenge with broadcast media is you have to cater your content to the largest possible group of people, so sports and the news. I will never forget the mid 2000s when podcasting really started taking off, hearing people discussed topics and subjects that I was actually interested in was an unbelievable feeling.
I do not, I’m sure people who lived in larger markets had access to better programming, but where I lived radio was 90%+ ads, uninteresting political commentary and sports commentary. There were a few interesting high-quality programs (hi Car Talk), but they were very much the exception even 30 years ago.
The challenge with broadcast media is you have to cater your content to the largest possible group of people, so sports and the news. I will never forget the mid 2000s when podcasting really started taking off, hearing people discussed topics and subjects that I was actually interested in was an unbelievable feeling.
> All we hear is radio ga ga
Radio blah, blah
Radio, what's new?
Radio, someone still loves you
> Invisible airwaves crackle with life
Bright antennas bristle with the energy
Emotional feedback on a timeless wavelength
Bearing a gift beyond price, almost freeckuw 95.9 fm in winnipeg!
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Imagine a radio experience where listeners are not just passive consumers but active participants. This groundbreaking concept will transform traditional listening into an engaging, interactive platform. An interactive radio that allows users to express their opinions in real-time by pressing one of three buttons. Whether it's a song choice, a controversial topic, or a poll about the day's news, listeners can instantly share their views. This immediate feedback loop will create a dynamic dialogue between the host and the audience.
Broadcast radio stations typically had phone lines for listeners to call. Music stations would take song requests and run contests where the Nth caller would win a prize. Talk radio would put callers on the air to chat with the host.
Maybe you already knew this, but anyone who remembers broadcast radio would also know it. If you're making a joke, I don't quite get the punchline.
Maybe you already knew this, but anyone who remembers broadcast radio would also know it. If you're making a joke, I don't quite get the punchline.
It's a retro-invention, something that could have been pitched in the golden days of radio. Inner joke I guess, I laugh at re-reading it. Normal people do poetry, I hate poetry.
I thought it was funny.
This sounds like the live-streaming we already have but with extra steps.
Honestly there aren't even extra steps. It's just live-streaming, maybe with a chatbot.
Are you not describing the current talkback radio experience?