Weather satellites detect 515-mile-long lightning flash(space.com)
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Weather satellites detect 515-mile-long lightning flash
https://www.space.com/astronomy/earth/new-world-record-weather-satellites-detect-515-mile-long-lightning-flash
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Interesting (to me) that the flash shown on the included diagram has positive and negative branches. That suggests to me that while it is one "flash", it is actually multiple discharges, one triggering others in a chain-reaction-like process. Anyone know how these things work?
> it is actually multiple discharges
This might be the relevant sentence from the paper (but I'm not a weather scientist)
"Events were only used in the standard GLM clustering model to delineate flashes according to spatiotemporal proximity (events within 330 ms and 16.5 km of each other form the same flash)."
This might be the relevant sentence from the paper (but I'm not a weather scientist)
"Events were only used in the standard GLM clustering model to delineate flashes according to spatiotemporal proximity (events within 330 ms and 16.5 km of each other form the same flash)."
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The simplest possible lightning bolt would be a straight line with a positive side and a negative side, no? If so, isn't that a single discharge?
Certainly what you're describing happens. You see the effect in the spark gaps of a Marx generator: one discharge triggers the next. I'm just saying that it's not necessarily the case that multiple differently charged branches mean spatially disconnected bolts. The path of least resistance is going to be through a nearby bolt of lightning, supposing one exists (plasma being a good conductor) so I'd expect they have a tendency to merge, so you get a network of sources and sinks. Probably as new nodes join the network what was once a source could become a sink--the channel being open for further equalization with new distant point.
Whether to count that as one thing or many, idk.
Certainly what you're describing happens. You see the effect in the spark gaps of a Marx generator: one discharge triggers the next. I'm just saying that it's not necessarily the case that multiple differently charged branches mean spatially disconnected bolts. The path of least resistance is going to be through a nearby bolt of lightning, supposing one exists (plasma being a good conductor) so I'd expect they have a tendency to merge, so you get a network of sources and sinks. Probably as new nodes join the network what was once a source could become a sink--the channel being open for further equalization with new distant point.
Whether to count that as one thing or many, idk.
First it's emails [0], and now it's lightning. What else is going to be stuck at just over a 500 mile range?
[0] https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html
[0] https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html
> It's 2017, and a thunderstorm shoots off a lightning bolt. ... . It sets a new world record, besting the previous title holder — a 477-mile (768-km) bolt from 2020
So the previous record holder never should have held it at all (an earlier one beats a later one)? How was that missed? Is there that much data to sift through? Why is that not addressed in the article?
So the previous record holder never should have held it at all (an earlier one beats a later one)? How was that missed? Is there that much data to sift through? Why is that not addressed in the article?
From the linked paper[0], "In 2024, the entire GLM data record was reprocessed with new computational methods whose improved efficiency allowed difficult portions of the data record to be examined. This reprocessing inspired a reevaluation of the 2017 megaflash[...] after it identified a hitherto-overlooked discharge"
[0] https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/aop/BAMS-D-2...
[0] https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/aop/BAMS-D-2...
"Aw, that's adorable." ~ Jupiter
New thunderstorms wider than Earth are spewing out green lightning on Jupiter.
https://www.livescience.com/space/planets/new-thunderstorms-...
New thunderstorms wider than Earth are spewing out green lightning on Jupiter.
https://www.livescience.com/space/planets/new-thunderstorms-...
Wow there is an absolutely batshit concentration of ads on that page
I couldn't find if this was an intra-cloud flash or if it was a sky-to-ground strike. Anybody know?
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