'A mass casualty event that could exceed Hiroshima': Yale researcher on Sudan(cnn.com)
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'A mass casualty event that could exceed Hiroshima': Yale researcher on Sudan
https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/03/tv/video/amanpour-sudan-nathaniel-raymond-hamid-khalafallah
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Weird how this has received no attention even though it is far worse than anything alleged in the Israel-Gaza conflict. People really are just easily influenced by whatever frequently hits their ears.
It has received attention - the ongoing conflict in Sudan has been covered by Reuters and the BBC it hasn't received as much attention as Isreal/Gaza or the Russian Invasion of Ukraine but that's true of any two conflicts one is always going to be "bigger news" than another.
Yeah, but the massacre in el-Fasher killed more people in 7 days than 2 years in Gaza.
But that wasn't the point I was replying to, he said it's received no attention yet if you go to BBC news, Sudan Civil War is its own category on the Africa page.
Now if he'd stated "western media covers broadly equivalent events with similar levels of casualties with a bias towards Europe/Western Countries/Western Allies" then broadly I would agree - African news does tend to take a backseat to events in those regions for likely a whole host of reasons.
They covered El-Fasher as well - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr4qqgdlkjo
Now if he'd stated "western media covers broadly equivalent events with similar levels of casualties with a bias towards Europe/Western Countries/Western Allies" then broadly I would agree - African news does tend to take a backseat to events in those regions for likely a whole host of reasons.
They covered El-Fasher as well - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr4qqgdlkjo
We all know why everyone drags every argument out to justify the scream for "justice" against Jews, yet nobody demands anything when Arab muslims kill the black members of their society ...
Which is double bad since the RSF, the Arab army committing genocide belongs to the same organisation as Hamas does. They are both "descended" from the Muslim brotherhood of Egypt, and receive a LOT of support from Arab countries.
Which is double bad since the RSF, the Arab army committing genocide belongs to the same organisation as Hamas does. They are both "descended" from the Muslim brotherhood of Egypt, and receive a LOT of support from Arab countries.
Not really, the Muslim Brotherhood association is complex and if anything more aligned with the SAF. The RSF receives support from UAE which hates the Muslim Brotherhood and officially designates it a terrorist organization...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/palestinian-death-toll-in...
This link says 64,0000 people dead in 2 years in Gaza.
Are you saying more than 64,000 have been massacred in el-Fasher in 7 days?
This link says 64,0000 people dead in 2 years in Gaza.
Are you saying more than 64,000 have been massacred in el-Fasher in 7 days?
Lots of people including lots of Americans are making a lot of money off of it. https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/gold-gulf-and-the-fall-o...
I'm not funding this. My politicians aren't slavishly supporting it.
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And therefore it’s irrelevant? I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey.
The point is that Gaza receives a lot of attention because we (the West) are involved. And its especially emotional because our politicians have been corrupted and blackmailed into complicity by people like Miriam Adelson and Jeffrey Epstein, and are taking us along for the ride, which is extremely frustrating. On the other hand, I have nothing to do with events in Sudan that I'm aware of.
Except there’s a huge number of things being covered, it’s whataboutism to suggest any one story is drowning out this conflict on its own.
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That's a good reason to have a subscription to some news organization that covers the world in general, not just to read whatever you see on social media. Certainly The Economist has had a lot of coverage on the situation in Sudan over the last year.
There are almost half a million Americans living in Israel. In Sudan almost none.
So yes, news about Israel are more engaging in the US.
So yes, news about Israel are more engaging in the US.
As opposed to Sudan, Israel proper is leading the world in HDI, GDP per capita, innovative economy, basically any statistic of progress you want. Sudan is at the bottom of these lists.
It is one thing to read of atrocities commited in an extremely underdeveloped country and another to hear of even notionally smaller ones in an extremely developed one.
It is one thing to read of atrocities commited in an extremely underdeveloped country and another to hear of even notionally smaller ones in an extremely developed one.
This conflict didn’t have such a sudden start as the Ukraine or Gaza wars, it has gradually risen in intensity, becoming more newsworthy along the way
No, on 15 April 2023 the RSF suddenly attacked SAF bases and tried to assassinate al-Burhan, SAF leader. That's a stark escalation just like how Oct 7th. happened to Israel, where both had simmering issues.
It's been all over my social media.
> even though it is far worse than anything alleged in the Israel-Gaza conflict.
Hmm. I don't see how this contributes anything, and the two atrocities are linked.
> even though it is far worse than anything alleged in the Israel-Gaza conflict.
Hmm. I don't see how this contributes anything, and the two atrocities are linked.
Maybe one side of the Sudan conflict needs to buy off all our politicians, so that I can pay my taxes and know what fraction of a Sudanese life I just ended.
Since it's a civil war, I'd guess both sides are buying not politicians, but weapons, and paying with leonine natural resource extraction concessions, so your taxes are probably supporting American corporations no matter which side wins.
Maybe they already did...
Weird how it's so common for people to bring up Israel in this unrelated conflict. People really just want to find whatever excuse they can to downplay what Israel is doing.
"This other genocide is worse" isn't the amazing insight you think it is.
"This other genocide is worse" isn't the amazing insight you think it is.
I want all such atrocities to be in the public mind, but I will say the 'reason' I have been given when voicing similar concerns is that, at least for those in the United States, the Israeli genocide of Palestinians is being directly funded and armed by the United States government and the tax dollars of the people of the United States.
maybe you haven't paid attention, speak for yourself
This is a very confrontational way to make your point. There could be a good discussion about media diets, filter bubbles, and how domestic politics shapes coverage but we’re not going to get that from an insulting dismissal.
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What an original comment, you must be very smart. I hope one day you can solve the mystery of this weirdness. Now back to ignoring both conflicts because if my attention is not well divided then it must not be given at all.
Why the hell is this flagged?
It's the 21st century. Schools, media, politicians, commentators remind us about multiple world wars, millions of "sacrifices" for "freedom". We have technology that was unimaginable to our parents and grandparents.
So what is going on in the world? Who is putting the brakes on human progress?
The UN is an empty shell. Prominent countries which historically created the conditions for endless conflict - let's call them out: the US, Russia, UK, France, China (coincidentally, the five permanent members of the UN Security Council) - are sitting back, diplomatically allowing atrocities and injustices to unfold.
Why is this being allowed to happen?
This isn't even a time to point fingers, assign blame. We need to hold ourselves to the highest ideals.
We already have tens, hundreds, thousands, of talented individuals - graduates from the top universities of the world, who know how to make the world a better place. They understand history, morality, and ethics to an excruciating degree. Where are they? Why are they not in top decision-making positions in governments?
Why are our political structures still struggling with basic competencies? A House of Dynamite was a perfect movie to follow on from Oppenheimer. Scientists created a superweapon; politicians ran with it, and blackmailed the world. It's pathetic and deplorable.
WE NEED TO DO BETTER.
It's the 21st century. Schools, media, politicians, commentators remind us about multiple world wars, millions of "sacrifices" for "freedom". We have technology that was unimaginable to our parents and grandparents.
So what is going on in the world? Who is putting the brakes on human progress?
The UN is an empty shell. Prominent countries which historically created the conditions for endless conflict - let's call them out: the US, Russia, UK, France, China (coincidentally, the five permanent members of the UN Security Council) - are sitting back, diplomatically allowing atrocities and injustices to unfold.
Why is this being allowed to happen?
This isn't even a time to point fingers, assign blame. We need to hold ourselves to the highest ideals.
We already have tens, hundreds, thousands, of talented individuals - graduates from the top universities of the world, who know how to make the world a better place. They understand history, morality, and ethics to an excruciating degree. Where are they? Why are they not in top decision-making positions in governments?
Why are our political structures still struggling with basic competencies? A House of Dynamite was a perfect movie to follow on from Oppenheimer. Scientists created a superweapon; politicians ran with it, and blackmailed the world. It's pathetic and deplorable.
WE NEED TO DO BETTER.
> The UN is an empty shell
Because sovereign states demanded that it would be an empty shell, and this was accepted because otherwise there would be nothing.
For example, the ICC. Nobody can be convicted by the ICC unless their country allows it. And even that is going too far for essentially all countries, even founding member states like South Africa (who explicitly went against UN treaties they signed to protect Al-Bashir and Putin)
Because sovereign states demanded that it would be an empty shell, and this was accepted because otherwise there would be nothing.
For example, the ICC. Nobody can be convicted by the ICC unless their country allows it. And even that is going too far for essentially all countries, even founding member states like South Africa (who explicitly went against UN treaties they signed to protect Al-Bashir and Putin)
All eyes on Sudan!
Where are the protests in front of the mosques and in universities? Those are US weapons that are used to kill!
The main rifles I've seen depicted in this conflict are AK pattern rifles, with the rare ancient armalite pattern rifle scattered among them, and a singular SCAR.
Based on where most modern AK manufacturing has moved to (China, like manufacturing writ large), you should instead be asking the Chinese populous to protest. That said, I wouldn't hold my breath on China forming a mass protest culture any time soon, Tiananmen Square is in most people's living memory.
Based on where most modern AK manufacturing has moved to (China, like manufacturing writ large), you should instead be asking the Chinese populous to protest. That said, I wouldn't hold my breath on China forming a mass protest culture any time soon, Tiananmen Square is in most people's living memory.
> Those are US weapons that are used to kill!
I think it's important to raise awareness, and do whatever we can to oppose this sort of activity, but what is your source for this claim specifically?
I have been unable to find any substantiating information that US is supplying weapons, or aide of any kind, to the Rapid Support Forces of Sudan.
I think it's important to raise awareness, and do whatever we can to oppose this sort of activity, but what is your source for this claim specifically?
I have been unable to find any substantiating information that US is supplying weapons, or aide of any kind, to the Rapid Support Forces of Sudan.