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I like anti-aliased Monaco 14 pt (I know, it's large, but I'm trying to save my eyes) on Terminal.app for the Mac.
Yeah, Monaco 12 in Textmate is pretty darn comfortable. I wish I could turn on AA in Terminal.app...
Why can't you?
Howdoyalikethat? Turns out I can! Monaco 9 AA, line-height at 0.8x is quite nice for log file monitoring.
why might looking at a larger font somehow save your eyes? presumably, if you take appropriate breaks, it shouldn't matter how small your font is. right?
cause if I'm wrong, I seriously need to rethink this small font fetish I have...
cause if I'm wrong, I seriously need to rethink this small font fetish I have...
I'm not sure about you, but my eyes noticeably tire more quickly when reading small fonts versus larger fonts for prolonged periods of time.
I like the look of Proggy, but it's bitmapped at 10px. My screen is 15.4"/1680x1050. I have pretty good vision, but looking at fonts that small all day will make my eyes bleed.
I've been using this for a number of years and still like it:
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1
BTW, after thinking about this, I thought it would be fun to share actual screen shots:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=74605
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1
BTW, after thinking about this, I thought it would be fun to share actual screen shots:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=74605
I just ditched monotype fonts a few weeks ago or so, and am not thinking about going back. Looks so much nicer, and so far I have never had any text I could not to line up neatly enough.
I am currently using "Vrinda" size 10 on my Windows Vista laptop with ClearType -- will probably use a bigger font once I buy a proper monitor.
Some nice discussion and inllustrations around this theme at Coding Horror: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000969.html
I am currently using "Vrinda" size 10 on my Windows Vista laptop with ClearType -- will probably use a bigger font once I buy a proper monitor.
Some nice discussion and inllustrations around this theme at Coding Horror: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000969.html
You use variable width fonts for programming?!
I just hope I never have work on the same code with you.
There's just so many cases where having monospaced font is useful and easier to read when dealing with code.
I just hope I never have work on the same code with you.
There's just so many cases where having monospaced font is useful and easier to read when dealing with code.
You bet I do!
And I have not changed anything in my code due to this, so I think you could work with me just fine. There's tabs for indentation, and there's... well, code. What else do you need?
Could you give some examples of these cases? I really haven't come up with any in the past few weeks, and the readability is so much better with variable width.
And I have not changed anything in my code due to this, so I think you could work with me just fine. There's tabs for indentation, and there's... well, code. What else do you need?
Could you give some examples of these cases? I really haven't come up with any in the past few weeks, and the readability is so much better with variable width.
In programming languages every character is just as important as every other character (on average), so each character should get the same amount of space.
For example, looking at this: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/programming-fonts-2-...
...the "!" in the conditional is squished into about 3 pixels, but it has just as much importance as any other character, if not more. Glancing at this code you might not even notice it. In normal text it is also important, but would appear at the end of a sentence, which would be hard to miss...but wedged in there between the "(" and "O" it gets lost.
Another example is trying to line up things. This is sort of a style preference, but sometimes I like doing things like this:
float percent = 0.4f;
int width = 640,
height = 480;
char flag = 'A';
Now, when I typed that the text field was using a monospaced font and everything was lined up perfectly. Chances are, you're viewing it with a variable width font... is it lined up? Not really. (edit: ok in this case multiple whitespace characters are converted to a single point but you get the idea)
What about this:
Variable width fonts are optimized for readability of free flowing text like books, articles, etc. Code is highly structured, and lining things up and that sort of thing can help the readability.
Can you give me cases where variable width font in code is better?
For example, looking at this: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/programming-fonts-2-...
...the "!" in the conditional is squished into about 3 pixels, but it has just as much importance as any other character, if not more. Glancing at this code you might not even notice it. In normal text it is also important, but would appear at the end of a sentence, which would be hard to miss...but wedged in there between the "(" and "O" it gets lost.
Another example is trying to line up things. This is sort of a style preference, but sometimes I like doing things like this:
float percent = 0.4f;
int width = 640,
height = 480;
char flag = 'A';
Now, when I typed that the text field was using a monospaced font and everything was lined up perfectly. Chances are, you're viewing it with a variable width font... is it lined up? Not really. (edit: ok in this case multiple whitespace characters are converted to a single point but you get the idea)
What about this:
float percent = 0.4f;
int width = 640,
height = 480;
char flag = 'A';
Variable width fonts are optimized for readability of free flowing text like books, articles, etc. Code is highly structured, and lining things up and that sort of thing can help the readability.
Can you give me cases where variable width font in code is better?
Sorry to reply so slowly, I read your comment already quite a bit earlier...
So you have these two points, right?
1. Each character is important
2. Lining up things
As a disclaimer, I must say that naturally this is really up to personal taste more than anything.
About 1), I'd say that you are correct, but that depends on the type of thing one is working on. I guess working on some obscure Perl code (that's where I have seen most examples with lots of code that looks like !%&[$tes]) you need to focus much more on single characters than working on for example C++ code with long named variables/function names and mostly calls to them. I am working on the latter, and have found that code like this is easier to read with variable width:
---
TFileName refName;
TXxxYyyInfo* info = iXxx->info->GetPathAndName(refName);
refName.ZeroTerminate();
---
Ok, not too good examples, but maybe you get my point?
2) is something I totally do not care about. I am way too lazy to start lining up anything by hand -- I want my editor to line up my code automatically. And it does a nice job, and I use external tools if I have to work in an environment where I can't select my editor. I don't thins my time should be spent adding spaces.
So to summarize: 1) doesn't seem to matter for me, and if code tends to have many special characters after each other it is probably better to rewrite it for readability anyway. And I don't want to do any lining up by hand anyway.
And descriptive (i.e. quite long) variable names are easier to read with variable width font.
YMMV.
So you have these two points, right?
1. Each character is important
2. Lining up things
As a disclaimer, I must say that naturally this is really up to personal taste more than anything.
About 1), I'd say that you are correct, but that depends on the type of thing one is working on. I guess working on some obscure Perl code (that's where I have seen most examples with lots of code that looks like !%&[$tes]) you need to focus much more on single characters than working on for example C++ code with long named variables/function names and mostly calls to them. I am working on the latter, and have found that code like this is easier to read with variable width:
---
TFileName refName;
TXxxYyyInfo* info = iXxx->info->GetPathAndName(refName);
refName.ZeroTerminate();
---
Ok, not too good examples, but maybe you get my point?
2) is something I totally do not care about. I am way too lazy to start lining up anything by hand -- I want my editor to line up my code automatically. And it does a nice job, and I use external tools if I have to work in an environment where I can't select my editor. I don't thins my time should be spent adding spaces.
So to summarize: 1) doesn't seem to matter for me, and if code tends to have many special characters after each other it is probably better to rewrite it for readability anyway. And I don't want to do any lining up by hand anyway.
And descriptive (i.e. quite long) variable names are easier to read with variable width font.
YMMV.
I prefer Terminus or DejaVu Sans Mono.
Terminus is my font of choice.
http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/jimmy-en.html
http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/jimmy-en.html
I wish it had more glyphs, though. I like typing math symbols into my code comments. Terminus can't display them.
I feel dirty using anti-aliased monospaced fonts in shells and text editors.
Apparently there's no good way to turn off anti-aliasing in Eclipse on OS X, which drove me absolutely nuts, but this guy came up with a genius (but ugly) hack to fake it:
http://www.partlyhuman.com/blog/roger/aliased-text-mac-eclip...
Apparently there's no good way to turn off anti-aliasing in Eclipse on OS X, which drove me absolutely nuts, but this guy came up with a genius (but ugly) hack to fake it:
http://www.partlyhuman.com/blog/roger/aliased-text-mac-eclip...
I prefer Webdings: http://www.zakie.fsnet.co.uk/ChatRoomsStuff/Help/wingdingsfo...
Admittedly, there's a bit of a learning curve, but once you've gotten over the hump, it's much more pleasant to code "heart smiley lightning-bolt" than all those ugly letters and numbers.
Admittedly, there's a bit of a learning curve, but once you've gotten over the hump, it's much more pleasant to code "heart smiley lightning-bolt" than all those ugly letters and numbers.
long ago when i started programming i used OCR. it's a terrible font, designed to be easy for machines to read, "Optical Character Recognition." but at the time i didn't know that, and didn't care. i was young and wild
a few months ago i tried setting Vim to use OCR, but for whatever reason it didn't wanna. luckily in my quest i found a free package of fonts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_fonts_for_the_Web#The_font... these are professional fonts that you'd normally have to pay $20 a pop for, but for legal reasons they're free in their packaged form
one of the fonts is Andale Mono, which Vim didn't reject. it felt odd at first compared to Courier, mainly because Courier is quite heavy. but Andale grew on me quick and it remains my font. since then there have been times i've thought my code actually looked aesthetically beautiful
a few months ago i tried setting Vim to use OCR, but for whatever reason it didn't wanna. luckily in my quest i found a free package of fonts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_fonts_for_the_Web#The_font... these are professional fonts that you'd normally have to pay $20 a pop for, but for legal reasons they're free in their packaged form
one of the fonts is Andale Mono, which Vim didn't reject. it felt odd at first compared to Courier, mainly because Courier is quite heavy. but Andale grew on me quick and it remains my font. since then there have been times i've thought my code actually looked aesthetically beautiful
I got an Andale Mono install for Windows about 10 years ago, and have transferred it to computer to computer ever since. Another vote for Andale Mono.
I really like DejaVu Sans Mono. I've found it's most readable for me on an AntiqueWhite background (sort of off-white). From my .Xdefaults:
Emacs.font: DejaVu Sans Mono-12 Emacs.background: AntiqueWhite
You'll need emacs from CVS, but it is a huge improvement over previous versions if only for the better font support.
Emacs.font: DejaVu Sans Mono-12 Emacs.background: AntiqueWhite
You'll need emacs from CVS, but it is a huge improvement over previous versions if only for the better font support.
IMO, nothing beats Lucida Console 10pts.
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I've been using Bitstream Vera Sans Mono 14pt for about a month now and like it quite a bit.
http://www.bitstream.com/font_rendering/products/dev_fonts/v...
http://www.bitstream.com/font_rendering/products/dev_fonts/v...
It needs to be dina for me.
http://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Jibz/Dina/index.html
http://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Jibz/Dina/index.html
For Consolas without Visual Studio 2005 check:
http://geekfriendly.org/crap/Consolas/Microsoft/
http://geekfriendly.org/crap/Consolas/Microsoft/
profonts are quite nice as well.
http://www.tobias-jung.de/seekingprofont/
Another vote for monaco on Carbon Emacs (OS X). White text on black background, obviously :)
i use 10pt monaco on windows with ClearType turned on
Some consequence: the poor spacing of the letters 'i' and 'l', and the squashed, dark appearance of the 'm' and 'w' in monotype fonts. There is something of a hopeless in the task, though, since any good monotype font will have hundreds of characters in it: punctuation, numbers, European letters, mathematical marks...
Making them all look right together, with the additional constraint of identical size, is a Herculean task.