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The fancy word for that is Vertical Slice Architecture btw and it's the only way for complex apps that doesn't end in chaos.

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Yes, because it's showing how the simplest-possible mock already gets ugly if you don't follow the advice. Making the example more complicated would dilute the point it's making.

The question of "when to mock" is very interesting and dear to my heart, but it's not the question this article is trying to answer.

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> I’m not sure this is good advice. I prefer to test as much of the stack as possible. The most common mistake I see these days is people testing too much in isolation, which leads to a false sense of safety.

You make it sounds as if the article would argue for test isolation which it emphatically doesn't. It in fact even links out to the Mock Hell talk.

Every mock makes the test suite less meaningful and the question the article is trying to answer is how to minimize the damage the mocks do to your software if you actually need them.

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Pretty good, except it’s not Bismarck but Fontane. ;) Also, I’m comparing myself to CGP Grey, not whatever it’s transcribed. :D

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ha, I wish I saw that while working on that talk! adding it to the resources!

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Shouldn't some AI be able to clean that up for you? This seems something LLMs should be well-suited for.

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FWIW, I'm the speaker and let me be honest with you: I'm super unmotivated to write nowadays.

In the past, my usual MO was writing a bunch of blog posts and submit the ones that resonated to CfPs (e.g. <https://hynek.me/articles/python-subclassing-redux/> → <https://hynek.me/talks/subclassing/>).

However, nowadays thanks to the recent-ish changes in Twitter and Google, my only chance to have my stuff read by a nontrivial amount of people is hitting HN frontage which is a lottery. It's so bad I even got into YouTubing to get a roll at the algorithm wheel.

It takes (me) a lot of work to crystallize and compress my thoughts like this. Giving it as a talk at a big conference, at least opens the door to interesting IRL interactions which are important (to me), because I'm an introvert.

I can't stress enough how we're currently eating the seed corn by killing the public web.

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that's a reference to my attrs library which is what data classes are based on. It originally used

    @attr.s
    class C:
        x = attr.ib()

as its main api (with `attr.attrs` and `attr.attrib` as serious business aliases so you didn't have to use it).

That API was always polarizing, some loved it, some hated it.

I will point out though, that it predates type hints and it was an effective way to declare classes with little "syntax noise" which made it easy to write but also easy to read, because you used the import name as part of the APIs.

Here is more context: https://www.attrs.org/en/stable/names.html

I REGRET NOTHING

hynek

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I guess PEP 703 has to be auto-accepted now. I don't make the rules.

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