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Reminds me of Iceland pre 2008 - lot of circular & complex deals - but now it's different

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Great idea & solution

I noticed toolbar is missing from options doc, reason I went looking was if I could add my own custom button to the toolbar

ingigauti

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Not sure it's what you are looking for but I've been developing a new programming language that I think does what you are describing.

You can write natural language code like:

`read file.txt into variable` (or many other ways, as long as intent is clear)

If it is what you are looking for, you can dig through my profile for info

ingigauti

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I think it's going lot lower. We are still at the horseless carage level with ai and coding, that is; using new tech in old way

I think we'll have a new programming language(natural language with rules), I'm biased though as I've made that language :)

Going lot lower

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I took the position of not liking to much the AI coding early on. This was specially when it was starting. People writing long description to generate an app, I quickly noticed that doesn't work because it's all in the details.

Then having ai generate code for my project didn't feel good either, I didn't really understand what it was doing so I would have to read it to understand, then what is the purpose, I might as well write it.

I then started playing, and out came a new type of programming language called plang (as in pseudo language). It allows you to write the details without all the boiler code.

I'm think I've stumbled on to something, and just starting to get noticed :) https://www.infoworld.com/article/3635189/11-cutting-edge-pr...

ingigauti

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The way I designed the language I had the current languages in mind. Don't forget you are programming, it's just more natural, you need details

But also the main reason is that it's much more difficult to solve the intent when mixing multiple action into the same step. In theory it's possible but the language isn't there yet.

ingigauti

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Yeah, I don't believe LLM will be able to code fully, they are analog trying to do something digital where everything needs to be 100% correct.

Plang being analog language I see the LLM is able to code so much more and it never has syntax, library or other build errors.

ingigauti

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Check this out for your answer https://github.com/PLangHQ/plang/blob/main/Documentation/blo...

ingigauti

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I've been developing a programming language that does this, the repo can be found here https://github.com/plangHQ

Here is a code example

  ReadFileAndUpdate
  - read file.txt in %content%
  - set %content.updated% as %now%
  - write %content% to file.txt

I call this intent based programming. There isn't a strict syntax (there are few rules), the developer creates a Goal (think function) and writes steps (start with -) to solve the goal

I've been using it for clients with very good results, and from the 9 months I've been able to build code using it, the experience has shown far less code needs to be written and you see the project from different perspective.

ingigauti

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I am just one person atm, I cant really afford to give money :)

If you have OpenAI API key you can use that instead of going through the plang server.

Instead of 'plang' you run 'plang --llmservice=openai'

doc is here: https://github.com/PLangHQ/plang/blob/main/Documentation/Pla...

ingigauti

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Just have to try it to feel the difference :)

ingigauti

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I did some updates so hopefully it is better, if not, let me know

ingigauti

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You might try out Plang, plang.is, not hypercard like but the syntax is natural language,

For the kids, they can write the the code in their own language, so non-english

Bit of self promo, as I created it

ingigauti

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It won't be a problem getting a usb stick, but I disagree that it´s not a hurdle

Why hasn't any distro create a Windows installer? I think it would increase the usage. Today you need to download an .iso file, you need to know how to set it up on USB, then restart.

I like download, open, next, done. Easy.

ingigauti

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Nope, found a 256MB one :D

ingigauti

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bingo

I have done my share setting up systems, I just don't have the patience I had when I was younger, put 2 hours into it. Gave up. There are new thing that I don't understand, need to learn that to understand. To much work. Just need to buy that usb stick

ingigauti

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I really would like to be able to install Linux with Windows installer, just to make the switch easier.

I wanted to switch on my laptop and gave up. I didn't have large enough USB stick, so it just became to complex

Give me an Windows installer, and I'll switch today. Windows has really started to be slow in areas it shouldn't be, which translates to: it sucks

ingigauti

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It's using gpt4-turbo currently, was using gpt4 with fine result.

The instructions are rather simple, so looking at what lama3 is doing, I think it could easily do it, I just don't have the knowledge and since the problem was solved with gpt4 I didn't want to put time into it. I'm hoping it will come with the community, with time

But fine tuning a model will take this cost down 100x. Soon enough (couple of years) it will be compiling in the avg local machine.

And just to top it off, the way compiler is built, compiling will be invisible so no more compile time

ingigauti

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Interesting way of implementing this. I've been doing a similar natural language programming language.

It's structured a bit differently, what I found out is that programmers need fine grain control over the code, so I implemented it as steps, where programmer defined each step of execution. Your version is maybe more high level and for non programmers

My language is called Plang (from pseudo language) can be found at https://github.com/plangHQ

ingigauti

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I think this is heading in the right direction. I had a similar idea about a year ago and spent three months thinking about it because creating a new programming language seemed crazy.

In September, I began the development, and about a month ago, I released a new programming language called Plang (short for pseudo language). It embodies what is describe as intent programming. You can find the repository here: https://github.com/plangHQ

It’s remarkable how much less code is required, and there are significant security benefits as well.

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In Theory: Self-Correcting Software

Plang: Abstracting Away the Complexity

Plang and Local-first: Syncing between 2 device in few lines

Plang programming language – Basic concepts and examples

Exporting private keys in plang programming language

Flexibility of Plang Programming Language

Discover Plang programming language through ChatGPT

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