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jmoggr
·8 วันที่ผ่านมา·discuss
This makes sense. Interacting with the world is hard and poses real bottlenecks.

I think that resource acquisition is a solvable problem for such a system, robots seem mainly limited by software.

I concede that I am too certain about the linearity of it. But like, cmon man, in the limit entropy ensures that everything ends. The world could still get very weird very fast. I think that's what original comment was trying to argue, and I think it's possible within the limits you've laid out.

That's all I'm trying to argue at least. And I admit that waving my hand at linearity sounds uneducated.
jmoggr
·8 วันที่ผ่านมา·discuss
Is a coherent, human-interpretable, goal necessary for recursive improvement?

> how can you be so sure that reaching that goal looks like the straight line you envision?

Because the thing pursuing the goal would be able to improve it's ability to pursue the goal. Doesn't that follow from the premise of RSI?

> we have a growing body of evidence for just how bad we are at aligning incentives with intended outcomes.

We are terrible at it! I don't think that will stop us letting something rip in some unknowable direction (with unintended outcomes). I hope that aligned incentives are a prerequisite, but it seems increasingly likely that they are not.
jmoggr
·8 วันที่ผ่านมา·discuss
> you've set up a straw man

I think you're right, my bad.

> What I see is resistance to the idea that we can have any certainty about the future by drawing a straight line from the past.

I'm arguing that if recursive self improvement happens, that the trend line will be reasonably predictable. (and that we are close enough to RSI that we should take this possibility seriously).
jmoggr
·8 วันที่ผ่านมา·discuss
So I guess you are one of the people experiencing these gains.

Can this model be scaled to the rest of society?
jmoggr
·8 วันที่ผ่านมา·discuss
I generally agree with this. I suspect we just have different beliefs about how close we are to RSI.

> Not saying it won't happen, but it's far from being the only plausible trajectory.

But if it does happen, then wouldn't expected outcome be at least linear?
jmoggr
·8 วันที่ผ่านมา·discuss
> but who is the customer base after that?

That's the fun part, there is none (in the traditional way of people buying things at least).

> Why would I invest my earning into sustaining a machine that ideally is extracting every cent possible without leeway and funneling it up the pyramid.

You shouldn't! Unfortunately everyone acting in their own self interest still results in this getting funded, since if such a machine were to exist, would it not be better to have a share of it?

I agree with your perspective! I just don't think that, as a species, we have a good track record of saying no to the existence of 2000hp trucks with ALMOST no use.
jmoggr
·8 วันที่ผ่านมา·discuss
> and have every reason to believe they aren't

What reason? To me recursive self improvement seems credible, it's just a question of when. It seems obvious that given RSI, trend lines will be at least linear.

The disagreement could just be about if RSI is currently meaningfully happening, but that seems very difficult to tell given the lack of public data.
jmoggr
·8 วันที่ผ่านมา·discuss
I think it's credible to believe that that a system which is able to meaningfully improve it's own intelligence will lead to a far weirder world than the one imagined by the article.

The parent comment could be interpreted as frustration from a lack of imagination about how weird the future could be.

Perhaps we're not at the recursive self improvement yet, but it seems increasingly naive to believe that it isn't possible.
jmoggr
·8 วันที่ผ่านมา·discuss
> Is there demand for 10000 iq intellegence

Yes. If it looks like 10000 iq is possible, then money will be thrown at whoever is most likely to achieve it first, and whoever has the most intelligent models right now strongly predicts who will be first.

This is driven by the belief that whoever gets to 10000 iq first will likely dominate the majority of all economic activity, since it will be more efficient to trade with them than with some less efficient (dumber).

This does not depend on traditional economic demand, at some point this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
jmoggr
·เดือนที่แล้ว·discuss
China will experience the same problems described in the article, even if that war happens and even if they win. They are possibly better equipped to deal with the problems, but I don't think that nicely-asking-companies-to-keep-humans is a viable long term strategy. And given Chinas history, I'm not sure most humans would enjoy a China shaped solution.
jmoggr
·เดือนที่แล้ว·discuss
but, like, what if they weren't lying?

Regardless, their actions seem to indicate that they are trying their hardest to make this true; given that they have the resources of a developed nation behind them, it seems reasonable to seriously consider what they are saying.

Also we generally don't give the same latitude to people who lie about things as destructive as what they are proposing.
jmoggr
·เดือนที่แล้ว·discuss
Don't forget that humans require inputs (land, water). It's not obvious that there is a happy equilibrium where the majority of humans are able to meaningfully compete for those inputs.
jmoggr
·8 เดือนที่ผ่านมา·discuss
All they have to do is not reproduce. This is already happening.
jmoggr
·8 เดือนที่ผ่านมา·discuss
> Automerge/Yjs require learning CRDTs

I've been using Automerge for a while and haven't had to look at any CRDTs. To me this looks very similar to Automerge.

Neat project!