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Ask HN: What is an optimal game theoretic response to AI adoption?

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>> trying to balance autonomy with managing the exploitative nature of modern technology makes me anxious to have kids

This is a legitimate concern and the anxiety is understandable. I think that would make you a much better parent than many. Most often, parents use these as crutches, so as a parent one has to set ground rules (for ourselves) and enforce them.

No tablets/phone access for entertainment till 6-7 yrs - there is simply no reason for this. No unsupervised access till 10-12 yrs.

Use game console like the switch instead of mobile games. Curate stuff for them. Mostly be involved in how they use technology, discuss with them what it is and what effect it can have in a way they can relate too.
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May be for OO not yet for DA. Existential pressure drives better(fruitful) decisons and actions. AI has yet to incorporate that into training/inference.
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8. The credit market tied to the data center buildout implodes. The contagion spreads similar to 2008.

It is ironic that people got laid off due to capitol allocation for compute capacity and people will get laid off when there isn't much ROI and things crash.
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The difference is in what other enabling technologies do you need to achieve it. Advanced technologies sit on a pyramid. One can build a bow and an arrow from sticks, string and rock. For reliable firearm we need chemistry and advanced metallurgy.

My view wasn't whether generative language is here to stay or not but rather will it continue to be a significant thing or not.
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>> The danger is removing the review systems and pretending the output is expert-level just because it seems to be working correctly.

This is what is happening. In the rush to adopt AI many are abandoning sane engineering principles/processes lest one gets left behind. Only to rediscover them on failure, hoping it is not catastrophic.
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The point is not that these cease to exist. The point is that their significance decreases greatly.
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This is an interesting question that I haven't thought about, thanks.

What we currently have is a simulacrum of thought - albeit a good one.

Any technology is useful only in the sense that it helps us with solving the problems we are dealing with in that time. When we face issues that a pseudo-thought is not useful in tackling or worse is one of the causes - this will recede in the background.

Beyond that, the implicit assumption in the question is that thinking is the highest form of activity that is useful to us.

I don't know how my thoughts arise but thinking happens when I engage with them. I think what we look for is meaning in our lives and thinking helps us generate/achieve one, whether real or illusory.
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Yes, there is the general class of technologies (warfare, computing ...) and there are particular instances of those for a given time and space and evolve as the landscape changes.

The technology of warfare evolved to better mechanisms, perhaps same with computing.
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Swords, bows and arrows, castles were all here to stay.

Technologies fade away when they are no longer useful, cost/benefit ratio is too high or something better comes along.

It is question of when.
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Can you please elaborate on the series ? I didn't get the reference.
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>> No, space is an end run around dealing with bureaucracy and politics. It's space. There's basically nobody to tell you "no" up there.

>> So they'll go to the place where they do not need to ask anyone.

>> Anyway, space has none of those problems. Indeed, the problems are almost all technical.

This is pretty naive. What happens when one of the other sovereign nation destroys your space assets or holds them hostage. There is also no defense in space.
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The problem here is that N different users will ask for N different variants of the same tool, so you'll end up with a tool which is similar but not quite. Is the tool updated to support new functionality, or a new tool is created and you end up with N variants of a tool.
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You could flip it around. These companies wouldn't exist without California. The state had the conditions where these companies could germinate and thrive. Elsewhere they might, they might not.

In an alternate reality Mr Brin could still be a billionaire owner of a company not based in CA and he would still have to face this issue or he may not.

But we are here and question is why they don't think it is ok to pay these taxes. It is interesting to see their actions. There is some double think here - they want to cut ties and move out, yet want to influence the state. A sibling comment rightly said - they could be heroes by spending money that would be just a drop in the bucket for them, but instead choose to do this - still spend that money. The old adage seems true, you didn't become rich by doing that.

Now I understand one may not be happy the way the state allocates the funds - but that is a different discussion.
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When Duke Wellington was asked what was his most difficult battle, he mentioned the Battle of Assaye. He said he found the Maratha troops equal to the European military . His horse was killed under him and he was lucky to live through the battle.

Maybe, the fate of Europe and that of India would have been different if he hadn't that day.
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I think at this point we can safely put the pelican test in the category of Goodhart's law.
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This has overflow issues unlike xor.
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The paradox is that the quality of AI output is directly proportional to your expertise and understanding, while the trust/belief/confidence in their effectiveness is inversely proportional.

It will still pay to develop the core understanding. It is just that the world can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent :).
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In general and for software in particular too :). For general see my response to ellg.

Even though we were aware of the insecurity of the supply chain, 1) In practice we tend to ignore it except for mission critical cases. We still do. 2) Autonomous vulnerability/exploitation at scale was difficult and reserved for high value targets.

What you said will be accelerated by 2) now.
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To clarify, I meant it from a lay person's perspective. I do realize that one can argue if the average person will have developed this awareness now. The difference this time, I feel, is that the genAI tools are widely available for normal people to experiment with which will hopefully help develop this visceral feeling.