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> And what's with all the flat design, we need skeumorphism and warmth back in industrial and UI design.
I’d be interested to know your general age group.
I have a theory that skeumorphism is a cross-generational design trend that serves a purpose to articulate a radical new technological paradigm in a language that makes sense to people that have never experienced it (i.e. A radio app that looks like an actual radio because that’s what everyone grew up using). I think once people are fully immersed and familiar with the tech, though, skeumorphism is limiting and ugly. We don’t need radio apps that look like radios anymore because everyone should now know how digital interfaces work. We can abstract away dials and knobs and make better use of the space for something that fits better with the constraints of a screen rather than the constraints of the physical world. This harkens back to the old discussions around the save icon and how there is an entire generation clicking an abstract symbol that holds no meaning to them while the generation prior comfortably recognized this symbol as “equivalent to archiving on my floppy disks.” Skeumorphism is really only intuitive to the first generation. Everyone that comes after just sees another (possibly ugly) abstraction that makes just as much sense as the next one. Screens don’t need metal dials, plush felts, and eye-popping gauges where a simple shadow would otherwise suffice.
I mean this with no disrespect. We all have our own sense of aesthetic. Just a thought I’ve been ruminating on. Personally I find neumorphism [1] to be a pleasing blend of the positives of both skeumorphism and flat design and I hope to see more of it going forward.
[1] https://uxplanet.org/neomorphism-the-hottest-design-trend-in...
I’d be interested to know your general age group.
I have a theory that skeumorphism is a cross-generational design trend that serves a purpose to articulate a radical new technological paradigm in a language that makes sense to people that have never experienced it (i.e. A radio app that looks like an actual radio because that’s what everyone grew up using). I think once people are fully immersed and familiar with the tech, though, skeumorphism is limiting and ugly. We don’t need radio apps that look like radios anymore because everyone should now know how digital interfaces work. We can abstract away dials and knobs and make better use of the space for something that fits better with the constraints of a screen rather than the constraints of the physical world. This harkens back to the old discussions around the save icon and how there is an entire generation clicking an abstract symbol that holds no meaning to them while the generation prior comfortably recognized this symbol as “equivalent to archiving on my floppy disks.” Skeumorphism is really only intuitive to the first generation. Everyone that comes after just sees another (possibly ugly) abstraction that makes just as much sense as the next one. Screens don’t need metal dials, plush felts, and eye-popping gauges where a simple shadow would otherwise suffice.
I mean this with no disrespect. We all have our own sense of aesthetic. Just a thought I’ve been ruminating on. Personally I find neumorphism [1] to be a pleasing blend of the positives of both skeumorphism and flat design and I hope to see more of it going forward.
[1] https://uxplanet.org/neomorphism-the-hottest-design-trend-in...
In my 30s. I agree in that it is part nostalgia but I find flat featureless design to be very bland and uninteresting, what's more is that it's everywhere. now. Design is a fashion and so follows cycles, so i hope whats old will soon be new again.
How do you differentiate that opinion from “skeumorphism came first so we all collectively got bored of it” and we like the current designs more simply because they’re newer?
I think skeumorphism is just laziness in design. there is already an accepted design, why risk anything new?
Agreed on the glass backs. Aluminium was way better. My Pixel 4 slides off just about anything, even surfaces that are just a few degrees tilted. Also, what is the point?
> shatter so easily, finger print magnets and just add unnecessary weight.
Only weight is valid statement. Matte glass on iPhone is unbreakable.
Only weight is valid statement. Matte glass on iPhone is unbreakable.
As someone famous on YouTube says -
"Glass is glass. And glass breaks"
"Glass is glass. And glass breaks"
I have an iPhone X that would disagree with you :D
Dropped it from pocket height and is completely shattered.
Dropped it from pocket height and is completely shattered.
Unbreakable? I highly doubt that.
They are also meant to fit well in a case.
If you're trying to build a look and feel which many other developers will follow then it has to be neutral in some way, something which can rely on minimal color + branding to build adequate distinction for the many companies who are to be in your ecosystem.
I agree. I had a Palm Pre and tried a Palm Pre 3 and they were truly delightful objects to hold. Things like the Unihertz Atom and TCL Palm phone still exist but occupy a miniscule niche.
Though ultimately I get why slate/phablet phones won out with their larger screens.
Though ultimately I get why slate/phablet phones won out with their larger screens.
If they go plastic back, it looks and feels cheap. If they go metal, wireless charging breaks. I guess they could do alcantara or something. Tough spot to be in.
FWIW, the iPhone mini at least fits in my hand, so they get bonus points regardless of sharp edges. It does kind of stink needing a case to prevent it flying away.
I might just be a curmudgeon, but a lot of the newer tech products (iPhones being the exception) look really ugly to me. Pixel 6 and MacBooks being the most recent and serious offenders.
I think I’ve just accepted that we’re in a weird time for design and as long as the function is fine I’ll overlook the looks. Pixel 6 looks to me like it was deliberately designed to be so ugly people would talk about it. Same with new MacBook notch, which I wouldn’t mind if it looked exactly like the iPhone notch but larger. The curves are just off.
I guess this is karmic justice for me being so in love with Metro and flat UI ~8 years ago. I take comfort in knowing it’s cyclical and in a few years we’ll wrap around to Fisher-Price XP-style UI.
FWIW, the iPhone mini at least fits in my hand, so they get bonus points regardless of sharp edges. It does kind of stink needing a case to prevent it flying away.
I might just be a curmudgeon, but a lot of the newer tech products (iPhones being the exception) look really ugly to me. Pixel 6 and MacBooks being the most recent and serious offenders.
I think I’ve just accepted that we’re in a weird time for design and as long as the function is fine I’ll overlook the looks. Pixel 6 looks to me like it was deliberately designed to be so ugly people would talk about it. Same with new MacBook notch, which I wouldn’t mind if it looked exactly like the iPhone notch but larger. The curves are just off.
I guess this is karmic justice for me being so in love with Metro and flat UI ~8 years ago. I take comfort in knowing it’s cyclical and in a few years we’ll wrap around to Fisher-Price XP-style UI.
Unpopular opinion: I prefer feel "cheaper" material like Nintendo devices. Such devices can be treat without hassle, and lightweight is important.
> they shatter so easily
I felt this way too. I recently (and reluctantly) switched to an iphone 13 pro max. I've dropped it unto asphalt from > 2m without a case twice now (not on purpose) and neither front nor back has shattered. Whatever apple did to that glass is working! Maybe everyone else just needs to do the same thing to their glass?
I felt this way too. I recently (and reluctantly) switched to an iphone 13 pro max. I've dropped it unto asphalt from > 2m without a case twice now (not on purpose) and neither front nor back has shattered. Whatever apple did to that glass is working! Maybe everyone else just needs to do the same thing to their glass?
Indeed all tests show its super strong, but also screen scratches incredibly easy. First scratch basically in a week. 1 year later it’s totally scratched, but doesn’t really impact performance unless you look for them.
The store was down, but these are the links:
Overview: https://store.google.com/product/pixel_6_pro?hl=en-GB
Buy: https://store.google.com/config/pixel_6_pro?hl=en-GB
Weirdly I kept seeing an internal MOMA login page asking for an @google.com login. So clearly something is broken (I do not work at Google).
Edit: Past all of those problems... error R013 when trying to check out.
Edit: Oh well... I missed out. Sold out before I got past the R013 error.
Overview: https://store.google.com/product/pixel_6_pro?hl=en-GB
Buy: https://store.google.com/config/pixel_6_pro?hl=en-GB
Weirdly I kept seeing an internal MOMA login page asking for an @google.com login. So clearly something is broken (I do not work at Google).
Edit: Past all of those problems... error R013 when trying to check out.
Edit: Oh well... I missed out. Sold out before I got past the R013 error.
I just managed to get through all the errors and successfully ordered
Certainly a contrast to using the Apple Store yesterday during the M1 Pro/Max device launches. Was amazed that was able to stay up and responsive, 100% expect error screens during launches like this - though not normally from companies who have done so many launches.
Edit 1: Store back up now but still getting order errors...
Edit 2: An hour after launch, back to having store page errors...
Edit 1: Store back up now but still getting order errors...
Edit 2: An hour after launch, back to having store page errors...
Edit 3: Lmao now it says the phone is out of stock. Glad someone was able to order it I guess.
Not seeing that anymore. I'm a Google employee but accessing it from a personal device that I've never logged into corp from. Maybe it got fixed?
Checkout is still giving an error (R013)
Finally got to "Place order" but then "An unexpected error has occurred. Please try again later. [OR_PCVH_01] OR_PCVH_01" sigh
same, now it won't connect with verizon. super frustrating.
I've been trying on repeat, as of now same thing here
EVERYONE PRESS F5 FASTER
Same here, not just you.
i'm now getting an error 500
I finally got it in my cart but I can't checkout (Error code: R013, or R008). Somehow the leather case is already "sold out" (not "out of stock") so I guess some people can check out :(
Had black Pixel 6 Pro 512GB unlocked in my cart for the past 50 minutes. Spent that time constantly trying to check out but received Error code R013. Now, I just got a message that my cart is EMPTY and it's sold out.
Edit: Product available every 10th refresh or so, but hangs on "trade in" screen. Bypassing trade-in and I now receive Error R008 when trying to check out.
Edit: Trade-in appears to be working again, but back to Error R013.
Edit: Neither Cart nor Checkout screen will load, website returns 500 Error. Not the best purchasing experience I've ever had. lol
Edit: Cart has been emptied again, and now Store website is returning 500 error. Oh, Google
Edit: Product available every 10th refresh or so, but hangs on "trade in" screen. Bypassing trade-in and I now receive Error R008 when trying to check out.
Edit: Trade-in appears to be working again, but back to Error R013.
Edit: Neither Cart nor Checkout screen will load, website returns 500 Error. Not the best purchasing experience I've ever had. lol
Edit: Cart has been emptied again, and now Store website is returning 500 error. Oh, Google
I'm now seemingly at the very end of the order process, clicking the 'confirm purchase' button, the wheel turns, then nothing. Sometimes i have a popup with an obscure error code, sometimes not. It feels like doing a bitcoin transaction :P
Good luck, I am at the same spot and I doubt I am going to be able to get it to go through. The page on my phone is actually freezing up totally and the store won't load at all on my PC.
if you use google fi, the checkout seems to work from there. google store checkout is still broken.
Not a huge fan of the Geordi La Forge band. Feels...bulky. In general I'm a little baffled at the Pixel's aesthetic vs the iPhone. Like take the corners on the Pixel. They're weirdly small and sharp, making the phone seem a lot more blocky. Or how the lime green doesn't go quite as well with the pastel turquoise back. Say what you will about Apple's products, they get a lot of these details right.
>We aren’t in your country yet.
New year, same shit again.
I wonder who are the target of these phones really are? Never seen anyone using a Pixel out in the wild
Feels like a pet project of Google to me. Like "we make Android so we better make some phones too otherwise people don't take us seriously" idk
New year, same shit again.
I wonder who are the target of these phones really are? Never seen anyone using a Pixel out in the wild
Feels like a pet project of Google to me. Like "we make Android so we better make some phones too otherwise people don't take us seriously" idk
> Never seen anyone using a Pixel out in the wild
Maybe you just haven't met anyone with one or even noticed people who do own them. I've owned almost every pixel phone. In my opinion, they're some of the best Android phones available with great cameras and less crapware pre-installed.
Maybe you just haven't met anyone with one or even noticed people who do own them. I've owned almost every pixel phone. In my opinion, they're some of the best Android phones available with great cameras and less crapware pre-installed.
I use them, and I've known several other non-google employees who use them. Definitely not as big as Samsung or iPhone but we're out there.
Marques Brownlee on YouTube generally gives them good reviews. They're good for the ~vanilla android flavor vs manufacturer skins.
Marques Brownlee on YouTube generally gives them good reviews. They're good for the ~vanilla android flavor vs manufacturer skins.
I use a Pixel4 and love it. I switched from iPhone and would never go back to using an iPhone again.
Love the back design of the phone, symmetry is always good. Finally one can put their on the table and tap on it without making a noise to hell and beyond.
But this presentation, with the potato chips 1 hour long ad... and i can see that more effort went for the video than the engineering effort of the phone with that amazing selection of genders, skin color and ethnicity, not to mention the sexual orientations of the actors. And that not taking into consideration the order in which to present them - imagine the wars that were waged in the planning room.
But this presentation, with the potato chips 1 hour long ad... and i can see that more effort went for the video than the engineering effort of the phone with that amazing selection of genders, skin color and ethnicity, not to mention the sexual orientations of the actors. And that not taking into consideration the order in which to present them - imagine the wars that were waged in the planning room.
Yeah... plus, I don't know why, but the guy in the video immediately made my skin crawl, which continued throughout the whole video to the point where it was hard to pay attention to anything but how viscerally my body wanted to reject anything this guy said.
The raised camera band is bound to be a controversial design choice.
The thing I think sucks about this design decision is that I always like to have a phone case with a card sleeve on the back. Seems like the camera band makes such cases inconvenient or maybe even impossible to design.
Yeah, last thing I want on my phone is stuff sticking out and preventing it from laying flat.
The recent camera bevels are bad enough.
The recent camera bevels are bad enough.
I assume the idea is that most cases will allow the phone to sit flush with the table, and most users use a case (no idea if that last part is actually true).
And honestly it will sit in a stable way, so it's probably not that big a deal in that sense. It getting caught on my pocket would probably be my biggest concern!
And honestly it will sit in a stable way, so it's probably not that big a deal in that sense. It getting caught on my pocket would probably be my biggest concern!
If they have a case that negates the bump it's ok. Though TBH even my 12max case (Otterbox is amazing) has a ridge around the camera bump.
I don't know why Android OEMs keep thinking they can get away with controversial design choices and high prices as if they were Apple. (not sarcastic :P)
I remember in the early to mid 2000's when all mobile phones were not the same generic slab of glass and metal/plastic.
It was like every phone was "controversial". I miss those design days.
It was like every phone was "controversial". I miss those design days.
I was looking around to buy a new phone, and the Pixel 5a seemed very nice. The design is clean, the screen may be big but the battery is bigger, and it works with Graphene OS! I just want a boring phone that will work. But they decided to sell it only in the US and Japan. Apparently one of the reasons for this decision was to not distract away from the Pixel 6. Now the only option I have left is to maybe buy a Pixel 4a from last year, if want a normal looking phone.
interesting, don't really disagree with the comment about the form factor of pixel and iphone being cold/sterile (although it's been for so many years now kinda used to it and don't really notice) -- however, one thing that occurred to me on this launch is how much the software has a human feel/push from Google. The colours and theme shifting - giving your device, the UI, that personal feel which is really what makes it yours in the day-to-day (big customization/wallpaper/launcher fan here, always has been the Android advantage), and many human elements from inclusive photography to translation and things about people connecting - I appreciated that approach.
They bumped support to 5 years, interesting. Short support duration is a common complaint from Android users.
Its historically because qualcomm cuts support so you have to buy new phone, new chips.
In the fine print (footnote #28) it says 3 years of feature updates.
https://store.google.com/product/pixel_6_pro?hl=en-GB
[EDIT] On https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705 it says, "Guaranteed Android version updates until at least: October 2024" and "Guaranteed security updates until at least: October 2026" for Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro
https://store.google.com/product/pixel_6_pro?hl=en-GB
[EDIT] On https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705 it says, "Guaranteed Android version updates until at least: October 2024" and "Guaranteed security updates until at least: October 2026" for Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro
Security updates are 5 years. At least that's what the launch video said.
Will app developers get access to the Tensor chip?
Will all the features of the phone and the Titan M2 chip still work with another Android build like grapheneOS or LineageOS?
I don't think those were covered in the video.
Will all the features of the phone and the Titan M2 chip still work with another Android build like grapheneOS or LineageOS?
I don't think those were covered in the video.
> Will app developers get access to the Tensor chip?
I think this is another classic bit of Google branding. Tensor is their custom SoC with CPU, GPU and an ML co-processor (think this was codenamed Whitechapel). Not the ML processor itself. Whereas Google's Tensor Processing Unit is a large scale ML accelerator. Why they've decided to use the same name for two totally different chips with different functions is anyone's guess.
I think this is another classic bit of Google branding. Tensor is their custom SoC with CPU, GPU and an ML co-processor (think this was codenamed Whitechapel). Not the ML processor itself. Whereas Google's Tensor Processing Unit is a large scale ML accelerator. Why they've decided to use the same name for two totally different chips with different functions is anyone's guess.
Anyone knows if having some items in the basket while being unable to complete the order somehow guarantees a certain spot in the queue on store.google.com?
I want this phone badly, I want to be part of this inclusive camera experience, but due to systemic issues in the ordering process, I am still unable to checkout.
I want this phone badly, I want to be part of this inclusive camera experience, but due to systemic issues in the ordering process, I am still unable to checkout.
I have a feeling it does. It seems the basket is stored serverside. I tried logging in on different devices/sessions and basket was there despite not having any shared cookies. Fingers crossed.
Awesome awesome!
I'm seeing some progress, it seems quicker and quicker to land on this R013 page. Fingers crossed!
> Fingerprint Unlock with under-display fingerprint sensor, Pattern, PIN, password
Wait, no face unlock? Thats a dealbreaker.
Wait, no face unlock? Thats a dealbreaker.
I'm curious why, what does face unlock do for you that fingerprint doesn't?
If I'm unlocking my phone, I have my hands on my phone, so using my fingerprint isn't a hassle. Plus with COVID and needing to wear masks, I can still unlock my phone easily without needing to pull down my mask.
If I'm unlocking my phone, I have my hands on my phone, so using my fingerprint isn't a hassle. Plus with COVID and needing to wear masks, I can still unlock my phone easily without needing to pull down my mask.
I got sweaty hands and that doesn't work with TouchID. FaceID has been great, well at least until COVID. I'd really prefer both.
Similar situation for me (but I have dry hands).
Fingerprint sensors stop recognizing after about a week - so I prefer Face Unlock.
Fingerprint sensors stop recognizing after about a week - so I prefer Face Unlock.
If the under-display fingerprint reader actually works then I 100% prefer it over face unlock. Bonus points for not having an ugly notch on top.
Really surprised to hear this. I've had really bad luck with face unlock. I find I have to type in my PIN half the time anyway. On the other hand, with my previous pixel that had a fingerprint reader, I never had any issues with it whatsoever. I think face unlock is a bit of a regression on the part of device makers.
I have dry hands and fingeprint sensors stop recognizing them aftere about a week (or month if it is summer season) - so it is really frustrating.
On the other hand Face Unlock works always (well, unless I wear a mask, then it works just like fingeprint - doesn't).
Tried fingeprint sensors on iOS devices and Pixels.
On the other hand Face Unlock works always (well, unless I wear a mask, then it works just like fingeprint - doesn't).
Tried fingeprint sensors on iOS devices and Pixels.
Face Unlock has been an available feature on every Pixel for a while and is present in the latest Android 12 Beta, it's just not depth-sensing because it lacks the hardware that the Pixel 4 and iPhone use, just uses front-facing camera instead and warns you about using it.
Where are you getting this from? I have a Pixel 5. It doesn't have face unlock. Only the 4 did!
It was actually originally announced/demoed on a Galaxy Nexus running ICS back in 2011! They might have removed it at some point after that and added it again for the Pixel 4 since its entire gimmick was the soli sensor
https://www.theverge.com/2011/10/18/android-ice-cream-sandwi...
https://www.theverge.com/2011/10/18/android-ice-cream-sandwi...
All the weak biometrics are disabled in banking apps etc, so you'll still need the fingerprint (or just the PIN code).
Ah thanks for the note.
Why do manufacturers have to trap the good features like telephoto lenses on devices with bent screens? I don't like having the first letter of every line doing the lean-back. I don't like having to find the one exact body angle that keeps glare off the screen.
Who writes the copy for these things? Are they outsourcing these, adapting to the audience or am I part of the dumbed down flight?
'The best', 'our most powerful', 'The most advanced', 'Most hardware security', 'most light ever', 'most fluent', 'most layers of hardware'.
Seriously?
EDIT: This felt familiar, apparently I noticed something similar in the previous launch: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24641965
'The best', 'our most powerful', 'The most advanced', 'Most hardware security', 'most light ever', 'most fluent', 'most layers of hardware'.
Seriously?
EDIT: This felt familiar, apparently I noticed something similar in the previous launch: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24641965
This is just how product announcements look these days. I want to say this was popularized by Apple but I don't have a source on that.
If you doubt that, here are some quotes from Apple's new product pages from yesterday: 'most powerful', 'scary fast', 'scary faster', 'best display ever', 'super fluid'
Not to mention the product names: 'pro' vs 'max', 'liquid retina', ...
Yet I don't see people complain about those.
If you doubt that, here are some quotes from Apple's new product pages from yesterday: 'most powerful', 'scary fast', 'scary faster', 'best display ever', 'super fluid'
Not to mention the product names: 'pro' vs 'max', 'liquid retina', ...
Yet I don't see people complain about those.
Oh, I didn't see those (I currently could not care less about Apple products). Good point, they're all bad.
I am really liking the "Shareable moments" sidebar on the right. Such a cool idea and it's so smooth along with the right types of media (gif, png, video)
For what it's worth, I had this thing in my basket since 10-ish pacific, during all this time, i was stuck at the order checkout 'comfirm purchase' step.
In google fashion, it'd fail in very diverse ways: 1) mostly 'OR_PCVH_01' "unexpected error occured". 2) sometimes a troika of codes with the label "your purchase has expired". This would be ~5% of the time. 3) sometimes no error at all, just a blank page.
I was rather afraid to attempt going back to 'store.google.com' to checkout my cart again and find the items sold out, but I courageously overcame my fears and decided to stand up for myself. Consumer me went ahead, created a new tab, clicked the basket and pressed 'checkout'. And after the one or two 'OR_PCVH_01' and some blank page, boom, it went through.
Long story short, i suspect that error message 2 is misleading in what it means. It doesn't mean 'try to click this comfirm purchase' button later, it means try to "checkout your cart again".
In google fashion, it'd fail in very diverse ways: 1) mostly 'OR_PCVH_01' "unexpected error occured". 2) sometimes a troika of codes with the label "your purchase has expired". This would be ~5% of the time. 3) sometimes no error at all, just a blank page.
I was rather afraid to attempt going back to 'store.google.com' to checkout my cart again and find the items sold out, but I courageously overcame my fears and decided to stand up for myself. Consumer me went ahead, created a new tab, clicked the basket and pressed 'checkout'. And after the one or two 'OR_PCVH_01' and some blank page, boom, it went through.
Long story short, i suspect that error message 2 is misleading in what it means. It doesn't mean 'try to click this comfirm purchase' button later, it means try to "checkout your cart again".
Does anyone knows about the state of the futuristic AI features from Google?
I recall a presentation about AI phone assistant that was ordering something on the phone and it was indistinguishable from a human, handling edge cases flawlessly. Are people using AI assistants to make them book places or order things on the phone?
I've seen the option to call using Assistant a couple times on Google Maps though I've never given it a try.
I can definitively say the real-time language translation they demoed on the original Pixel Buds was complete vaporware (and the last time I bought a newly released Google product).
I have yet to get the AI assistant to book anything for me. The only related function I do use is the call screening piece, but that's hardly AI...
I have yet to get the AI assistant to book anything for me. The only related function I do use is the call screening piece, but that's hardly AI...
> Does anyone knows about the state of the futuristic AI features from Google?
Well, it's getting scarier by the second. For example, 'Magic Eraser' was a requested feature by Stalin.
You cannot believe any image on the internet anymore these days. This time it is getting much worse.
Well, it's getting scarier by the second. For example, 'Magic Eraser' was a requested feature by Stalin.
You cannot believe any image on the internet anymore these days. This time it is getting much worse.
this is the single worst product launch I've ever seen on all fronts from the terrible video to the store being down for a half hour and still down
I'm getting a 500 from the get go on store.google.com
what a joke!
what a joke!
There was another event page not long ago from google that was undone. E.g the FAQ page for this also looks a bit off. Not sure what is going on there.
Wow. The marketing team for this have been taking very detailed notes on Apples presentation style. Products aside, this is almost identical to Apple's launch yesterday.
Awkward people standing with shoulder width apart because the studio director told them so.
Let people stand the way they feel comfortable. Tim Cook yesterday appeared like his feet are glued to the ground in the process of squatting. Naturally people never stand with feet this far apart. But the trend continues and shitty directors at Apple don’t get it.
This type of production gets zero points from me. It’s just terrible.
Let people stand the way they feel comfortable. Tim Cook yesterday appeared like his feet are glued to the ground in the process of squatting. Naturally people never stand with feet this far apart. But the trend continues and shitty directors at Apple don’t get it.
This type of production gets zero points from me. It’s just terrible.
Good move though.
When I was at Google the cloud unit, there is always a vibe that "we are the best" without much substantiated from the products and etc.
At least they realize that something better is done for the phone department. Although I guess it's so much more obvious than cloud.
When I was at Google the cloud unit, there is always a vibe that "we are the best" without much substantiated from the products and etc.
At least they realize that something better is done for the phone department. Although I guess it's so much more obvious than cloud.
I'm getting so jaded about these new ideas. ML/DL and 'perfecting' pictures .. seems so misguided. People are obsessed by looking at the finger in 8k.
On the off chance anyone else is wondering, there are plans for grapheneOS support, but they will likely wait for the first quarterly major update to Android 12: https://mobile.twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/144408179476937...
I am still rocking my Pixel 3, which for me is the perfect size. I just don't see much need to upgrade much anymore, the pixel 3 has a nice screen, decent hacker news browsing experience, and wireless charging. I'll keep an eye out for a black Friday deal but otherwise I will keep my phone for now.
Good call-interacting features there. I hope some day my phone can answer calls from spammers and tell them to f** off.
Unfortunately the AI listening to Google's AI will detect the tone and intended sentence and hang up before the first F can finish.
Tensor has a 20-core GPU.
Are cores the main thing to count? So that's better than an M1 Pro with a measly 16-cores?
/s
Are cores the main thing to count? So that's better than an M1 Pro with a measly 16-cores?
/s
It's 4 more. How could less be more? More is more!
Not sure why the /s? Cores are the main thing for GPU's right?
No, because there's no definition of a "GPU core". Vendors just pick a random layer of their GPU and call it a core. Whether or not it makes any sense as being called a "core" or being comparable in any way isn't a goal of anyone's.
Really they aren't even comparable across a single vendor (the capabilities of a single "SP" on an Nvidia GPU has drastically shifted over the years - and not always in the "more capable" direction)
At best you can roughly compare GPUs from the same generation from the same family (eg, M1 Pro vs. M1 Max). But that's about it, and even that can be deceptive (most commonly in desktop GPUs where other differences can drastically alter scaling across differing "core" counts)
Really they aren't even comparable across a single vendor (the capabilities of a single "SP" on an Nvidia GPU has drastically shifted over the years - and not always in the "more capable" direction)
At best you can roughly compare GPUs from the same generation from the same family (eg, M1 Pro vs. M1 Max). But that's about it, and even that can be deceptive (most commonly in desktop GPUs where other differences can drastically alter scaling across differing "core" counts)
As others have said, core is not a well defined term at all in computer architecture.
Is a core something that has its own program counter? Does it need its own floating point unit to count as a core? What about cores that only do a few ops? Are the cores even all the same, or do they have access to the same resources? For example, a few older Nvidia GPUS have some portion of their cores that have only a single crossbar port, and so perform much worse.
The M1 gpu core could very well be equivalent or better than 16 tensor soc cores internally.
Is a core something that has its own program counter? Does it need its own floating point unit to count as a core? What about cores that only do a few ops? Are the cores even all the same, or do they have access to the same resources? For example, a few older Nvidia GPUS have some portion of their cores that have only a single crossbar port, and so perform much worse.
The M1 gpu core could very well be equivalent or better than 16 tensor soc cores internally.
Yes - critically, though, a Tensor core and an M1 GPU core are not equal or directly comparable.
As much as I love Android, the way Google introduces pixels is just sad, esp. when you think about the time and effort that Apple put into their event.
I agree, but think of it this way: Apple needs their devices to sell in order to not go broke. Google doesn't - Pixels sales are a blip on the accounting sheet.
They do indirectly increase value of the Android ecosystem by providing new features and benchmark for other manufacturers to copy, but it is not essential.
They do indirectly increase value of the Android ecosystem by providing new features and benchmark for other manufacturers to copy, but it is not essential.
Could they have made this presentation any more dull?
Dear Google. Let me provide you the solution to your self-created problems.
1. Make products that work.
2. Make sure that your website does not crash when someone tries to order your product.
3. Make sure you do not allow to customers to put more devices into the carts than you can ship. This has been a solved problem for at least a decade. You may want to outsource this to Shopify as your software engineers clearly can't figure out how to build ecommerce platforms that actually work.
1. Make products that work.
2. Make sure that your website does not crash when someone tries to order your product.
3. Make sure you do not allow to customers to put more devices into the carts than you can ship. This has been a solved problem for at least a decade. You may want to outsource this to Shopify as your software engineers clearly can't figure out how to build ecommerce platforms that actually work.
4. Please don't buy Shopify. They don't have a messaging app.
I've been trying all afternoon periodically and it finally went through!! Perhaps they've fixed their shit
Lmao fuck this shit. I HAD a 256GB model in my cart for like an hour but checkout would lead to R013. THEN they decided they're going to wipe everyone's car and now every one except the 128GB black model is sold out. Cool so I add that one to my cart and even when I get past a new error, R008, the final "confirm purchase" button is spitting out an error. Goddamn scalping scum.
Google has removed the phone from my cart multiple times now, saying it is sold out.
Lol YouTube reports "streamed 1 month ago"
It's just been admitted.
Fuchsia/Zircon is going to be optimised to run on Google Tensor chips most likely this decade.
I'll probably end up linking this comment in a few years.
Fuchsia/Zircon is going to be optimised to run on Google Tensor chips most likely this decade.
I'll probably end up linking this comment in a few years.
Google's OS will be optimised for their hardware. What a radical idea!
> What a radical idea!
Exactly. Wonder why they didn't do it in the first place and why the reason Fuchsia had to exist? I guess we'll never know. /s [0] [1]
[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17568335
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27280567
Exactly. Wonder why they didn't do it in the first place and why the reason Fuchsia had to exist? I guess we'll never know. /s [0] [1]
[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17568335
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27280567
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Beautiful phone, but the bump in the back... sorry i just can't
Who started this camera bump movement the past decade? it's very ugly... and not practical at all..
Who started this camera bump movement the past decade? it's very ugly... and not practical at all..
I can't speak to the Google phones, but on the iPhone it serves a purpose.
It keeps the back glass from getting scratched all over by turning it into a tripod.
It keeps the back glass from getting scratched all over by turning it into a tripod.
Have you ever owned one? It's quite nice actually to be able to rest your finger on the bump for stability when you're using the phone with one hand, and it lets you kind of easily prop the phone up on a wallet/notebook/whatever's around when you're reading something while eating.
On the contrary it's very practical, fits larger cameras and prevents the back of the phone from sliding flat against sharp grains scraping the back and camera glass.
It's ugly and annoying though but it's not there just for fun.
It's ugly and annoying though but it's not there just for fun.
I don't like the trend either. My understanding is that camera lenses are just thicker than the phones. The phones could in turn be thicker and provide more battery life (to some extent Apple did that with the iPhone 13), but I guess "the market" just wants thin devices... and powerful cameras.
Well aside from the fact it serves to give you space for a better camera (I've heard Apple are working on some periscope style thing that'll negate the need for this) what Google are doing is smarter than Apple because by having it across the whole back you don't end up with the device being wobbly on a flat table.
At least the bump is symmetrical.
The bumps in one corner of the phone are the worst.
But realistically, even those don't matter because protective cases are effectively a standard part of any modern phone.
The bumps in one corner of the phone are the worst.
But realistically, even those don't matter because protective cases are effectively a standard part of any modern phone.
Yes, the symmetry is a huge win. I don't use a case with my phone, and the asymmetric bumps really mess up one of my primary use cases: I have the phone sitting on a desk or table reading the news.
I've been holding back on both Samsung and Apple's latest phones just because of the asymmetric bump. It is so annoying. Sticking with my old Note 8 for now even though it is out of support and receives no security updates.
I looked through the announcement and didn't see an answer to this question: does anyone know what the display technology is? LCD or AMOLED or...?
I've been holding back on both Samsung and Apple's latest phones just because of the asymmetric bump. It is so annoying. Sticking with my old Note 8 for now even though it is out of support and receives no security updates.
I looked through the announcement and didn't see an answer to this question: does anyone know what the display technology is? LCD or AMOLED or...?
>But realistically, even those don't matter because protective cases are effectively a standard part of any modern phone.
Then you buy a thin phone on paper and make it fat with a case, better if they would put more battery and less glue in. But as always designers/marketing complicate everyone life so they push their new idea: "Form over Function"
Then you buy a thin phone on paper and make it fat with a case, better if they would put more battery and less glue in. But as always designers/marketing complicate everyone life so they push their new idea: "Form over Function"
I agree with that.
I would give up the bullshit sleek look for more battery and ruggedness in a heartbeat.
I would give up the bullshit sleek look for more battery and ruggedness in a heartbeat.
I'll agree on that, symmetrical bump is a welcome change
What’s the differentiation against an iPhone? Presumably both phones are fast and take great photos and have an app ecosystem. But the iPhone is likely faster, probably has longer battery, and will last longer as a phone - I know people using Apple phones several generations old and still getting security updates. Apple also offers better privacy and their built in services like Maps are really good now.
If I were Google what I would do is make a more open phone. One with side loading, customization, repairability, and transparency as first class considerations. Otherwise it all comes off as a second class offering that’s just like anything else.
If I were Google what I would do is make a more open phone. One with side loading, customization, repairability, and transparency as first class considerations. Otherwise it all comes off as a second class offering that’s just like anything else.
Has both fingerprint auth and narrower frames.
If it's cheaper and not apple, that's enough for me. I hate iOS and just need a cheap and reasonably reliable phone. the pixel 4a was great last year and when I need another new phone in 4-5 years, I'll go for whatever's not apple and cheap
Is Android scanning for suspicious photos on my phone to upload them for scrutiny by some underpaid contractor? That's a big differentiator, for me.
Google violates more of our privacy than probably any other company, including Facebook. Their entire business is built off of sophisticated and pervasive Internet-wide tracking. Apple may have made a slight misstep but nothing on the same scale.
You can install an open source OS on it.
You can install uBlock Origin in Firefox, Project Fi, the most secure carrier, supports network switching, and you can install custom APKs (e.g. NewPipe). Also you avoid the iMessage attack surface (granted, you can disable iMessage but it will confuse the heck out of your social circle: "what, I thought you had an iPhone...").
lots of reasons to pick Android, but as far as what makes the Pixel 6 special, it got a huge camera upgrade from previous generations, likely making it the very best in class again as far as photos and video go.
And what's with all the flat design, we need skeumorphism and warmth back in industrial and UI design.
I prefer the soap bar design which seems to have been forgotten. And no more glass backs please. I don't get the appeal of glass, they shatter so easily, finger print magnets and just add unnecessary weight.