PhotoPrism: AI-powered photos app for the decentralized web(github.com)
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PhotoPrism: AI-powered photos app for the decentralized web
https://github.com/photoprism/photoprism
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> So unless I switch to the >=EUR6.00/month Plus plan I cannot add a non admin user? So my grandma gets admin privileges? Is that not a blocker for a lot of families?
Maybe, but at least it's not per-user, per-month. I'm much more likely to set up something like this if I can add / remove family members as needed without thinking about the cost beyond the annual fee I pay for to run my own instance.
The blocker for me is typically ease of use. They recommend PhotoSync for transferring files to the instance. I currently use that for my family, but sync to a Nextcloud install (which I desperately want to replace). The part where it fails for me is that my family members don't understand how to verify everything is running as intended. For example, I checked one of their phones earlier this year and they had 5k un-synced photos.
What this really needs to be useful is a native app that does sync from the phone in a way that makes it relatively foolproof.
Beyond the ease of use, every link in the chain of the workflow is a point of risk IMO. For example, what if PhotoSync rug pulls everyone (I have no reason to believe they would) and starts charging a subscription? The app that runs on your phone and does the syncing is the more valuable half of the workflow IMO.
Maybe, but at least it's not per-user, per-month. I'm much more likely to set up something like this if I can add / remove family members as needed without thinking about the cost beyond the annual fee I pay for to run my own instance.
The blocker for me is typically ease of use. They recommend PhotoSync for transferring files to the instance. I currently use that for my family, but sync to a Nextcloud install (which I desperately want to replace). The part where it fails for me is that my family members don't understand how to verify everything is running as intended. For example, I checked one of their phones earlier this year and they had 5k un-synced photos.
What this really needs to be useful is a native app that does sync from the phone in a way that makes it relatively foolproof.
Beyond the ease of use, every link in the chain of the workflow is a point of risk IMO. For example, what if PhotoSync rug pulls everyone (I have no reason to believe they would) and starts charging a subscription? The app that runs on your phone and does the syncing is the more valuable half of the workflow IMO.
After thinking about it some more I now think you're right, at least it's a flat fee that doesn't go up as you add more users. And it's not that high a cost. I'll give it a try.
And I'll pay close attention to the reliability of the sync. I've been using Syncthing for a while now and am still not trusting it completely. Quite regularly I have to restart a mobile app for the files to get synched and I just can't figure out what's wrong. I don't want that to happen for photos. Maybe I'll monitor the date of the latest photo per user and alert if it's too old.
And I'll pay close attention to the reliability of the sync. I've been using Syncthing for a while now and am still not trusting it completely. Quite regularly I have to restart a mobile app for the files to get synched and I just can't figure out what's wrong. I don't want that to happen for photos. Maybe I'll monitor the date of the latest photo per user and alert if it's too old.
Freemium pricing is always a tricky balance. Your free tier should provide a modicum of value to entice people into installing your software, but ideally, it will also incentivize the users that are getting value from your efforts to remunerate to a degree that is reasonable and comfortable for them.
You're right, my knee jerk reaction was to dismiss it as dark pattern pricing but on second thought it might not be unreasonable actually.
If you’re using it for reasons other than personal use, like family use, then a heavier set of administrative options would be necessary. and therefore pricing will be a part of the equation.
Can it remove duplicates? That’s the holy grail along with storing my images. I’ve got so many damn photos, and I want to reduce the total amount I have but going through them is so daunting I’ll never do it without a computer-assisted organizer.
Deduplicating by SHA (so, exactly the same bytes) is straightforward, and phototprism does that: https://docs.photoprism.app/user-guide/library/duplicates/
Unfortunately, if you've used Google Takeout or other systems that can both downsample your photos and videos, as well as actually deleting _or changing_ metadata, deduplicating becomes a big wad of heuristics.
My first approach was to build a UID based on a series of metadata fields (like captured-at time, the shutter count of the camera body, and the geohash), but that breaks when metadata is missing or edited from their sibling variants.
Just finding what assets to compare against by time proved to be problematic in some edge cases. By storing in UTC (which is how I've built systems for the last thirty years!) made any file that didn't encode a time zones be wrong by whatever the correct offset was--almost all videos, and many RAW file formats don't have timezones. The solution I came up with was to encoding captured-at time _in the local time_, rather than UTC. I also infer or extract a milliseconds of precision for the date stamp, so files with more or less precision will still overlap during the initial captured-at query.
If you're interested, more details are here: https://photostructure.com/faq/what-do-you-mean-by-deduplica...
My main point here is to expose how deep this rabbit hole goes—I'd suggest you think about these different scenarios, and how aggressive or conservative you want to be in duplicate aggregation, and what you want to do with inexact duplicates.
Most importantly: have full offline backups before you use any deduping or asset management system. When (not if) the tool you're using behaves differently from how you expected, you won't have lost any data.
Unfortunately, if you've used Google Takeout or other systems that can both downsample your photos and videos, as well as actually deleting _or changing_ metadata, deduplicating becomes a big wad of heuristics.
My first approach was to build a UID based on a series of metadata fields (like captured-at time, the shutter count of the camera body, and the geohash), but that breaks when metadata is missing or edited from their sibling variants.
Just finding what assets to compare against by time proved to be problematic in some edge cases. By storing in UTC (which is how I've built systems for the last thirty years!) made any file that didn't encode a time zones be wrong by whatever the correct offset was--almost all videos, and many RAW file formats don't have timezones. The solution I came up with was to encoding captured-at time _in the local time_, rather than UTC. I also infer or extract a milliseconds of precision for the date stamp, so files with more or less precision will still overlap during the initial captured-at query.
If you're interested, more details are here: https://photostructure.com/faq/what-do-you-mean-by-deduplica...
My main point here is to expose how deep this rabbit hole goes—I'd suggest you think about these different scenarios, and how aggressive or conservative you want to be in duplicate aggregation, and what you want to do with inexact duplicates.
Most importantly: have full offline backups before you use any deduping or asset management system. When (not if) the tool you're using behaves differently from how you expected, you won't have lost any data.
And if you just want to go by the pixel data, look into "perceptual hashing". https://github.com/rivo/duplo works quite well for me, even when dealing with watermarks or slight colour correction / sharpening. You could even go further and improve your success rate with Neural Hash or something similar.
is there an option to just calculate image hash (but on image data, not the full file of image data + metadata) without any transforms? So that if it matches you can be 100% certain it's the same image
Unfortunately, (almost all!) image hashing don't detect color differences--they map images to greyscale first. This may be fine for many situations, but it will return the same result for a sepia tint, a full color original with incorrect white balance, and the final result you made after mucking with channels for a couple minutes.
I also found that there really isn't one "best" image hash algorithm. Using _several different_ image hash algos turns out to be only fractionally more expensive during both compute and query times, and substantially improves both precision and recall. I'm using a mean hash, gradient diff, and a DCT, all rendered from all three CIELAB-based layers, so they're sensitive to both brightness and color differences.
I also found that there really isn't one "best" image hash algorithm. Using _several different_ image hash algos turns out to be only fractionally more expensive during both compute and query times, and substantially improves both precision and recall. I'm using a mean hash, gradient diff, and a DCT, all rendered from all three CIELAB-based layers, so they're sensitive to both brightness and color differences.
The library I posted uses colour information. It won't map to greyscale first.
If software is deduplicating images by SHA including metadata, it's missing a lot about photography workflows :) So, huge props (and I mean that - so many tools get that wrong!) on your approach of trying to identify asset groups and trying to ID members via a number of heuristics.
If you want to go deeper, I suggest grouping everything by image content - that means, at the very least, comparing images via a resolution independent hash. (E.g. average down to e.g. an 8x8 picture in greyscale for the simplest approach). (undouble does that nicely, and has a number of different approaches: https://erdogant.github.io/undouble/pages/html/index.html)
If you want to go deeper, I suggest grouping everything by image content - that means, at the very least, comparing images via a resolution independent hash. (E.g. average down to e.g. an 8x8 picture in greyscale for the simplest approach). (undouble does that nicely, and has a number of different approaches: https://erdogant.github.io/undouble/pages/html/index.html)
If there was ever an obvious use for AI, identifying (or at least scoring likeliness) images should be one.
Heck, we could even brute force this by resizing images via different methods and comparing checksums. But _surely_ AI can help us here.
Heck, we could even brute force this by resizing images via different methods and comparing checksums. But _surely_ AI can help us here.
Certainly, but it depends on your goal. Models like CLIP (https://openai.com/research/clip) are designed to help describe images with an embedding, but are trained to give similar embeddings for similar image _content_, not for similar _pixels_.
Simple image hashes based on small thumbnails can do similar image detection quite well (see sibling comments for links to several different approaches).
Simple image hashes based on small thumbnails can do similar image detection quite well (see sibling comments for links to several different approaches).
I went about depdup in a similar but opposite way then you did - https://github.com/mgolub2/photodb
I used libraw to read the actual raw data from my images, ignoring possible metadata that can get changed/updated by Capture One for example. The raw data is just fed into a hashing function, to get an exact content hash. Does not work if your image is down-sampled of course, but that was actually my goal - I want to know if the raw content has changed/bit flipped, but don't care if the metadata is altered or missing.
I used libraw to read the actual raw data from my images, ignoring possible metadata that can get changed/updated by Capture One for example. The raw data is just fed into a hashing function, to get an exact content hash. Does not work if your image is down-sampled of course, but that was actually my goal - I want to know if the raw content has changed/bit flipped, but don't care if the metadata is altered or missing.
Ah! In this case, you might be happy to discover that ExifTool just added an "image content" hash--it's the SHA (or MD5 or whatever) hash of the _actual image bytes_, after ignoring the metadata header (and possible footer) payloads.
So if you, say, change the rotation of your RAW image file (which normally will just add or change the EXIF `Orientation` tag), the image content hash will stay the same.
See https://exiftool.org/ExifTool.html#ImageHashType
(of course, your current approach should prove substantively faster, but will only work with the formats that libraw supports)
So if you, say, change the rotation of your RAW image file (which normally will just add or change the EXIF `Orientation` tag), the image content hash will stay the same.
See https://exiftool.org/ExifTool.html#ImageHashType
(of course, your current approach should prove substantively faster, but will only work with the formats that libraw supports)
Deduplicating by SHA, or by exactly identical metadata, sounds so rudimentary in 2023... 10 years ago VisiPics was already doing an excellent job to help find similar or identical images in a collection, based on visual similarity!
http://www.visipics.info/
So much time later, I would hope that we expect more sophisticated and flexible tools, not less, for that task.
http://www.visipics.info/
So much time later, I would hope that we expect more sophisticated and flexible tools, not less, for that task.
I was trying to remember the name of this. Worked well, from what I remember
> Unfortunately, if you've used Google Takeout or other systems that can both downsample your photos and videos, as well as actually deleting _or changing_ metadata, deduplicating becomes a big wad of heuristics.
I thought takeout exported the original files? (alongside metadata entered into the application)
I thought takeout exported the original files? (alongside metadata entered into the application)
> actually deleting _or changing_ metadata, deduplicating becomes a big wad of heuristics
Why not calculate hashes just for the image data and then do metadata conflict resolution separately?
Why not calculate hashes just for the image data and then do metadata conflict resolution separately?
> Most importantly: have full offline backups
Do this anyway. Always.
Do this anyway. Always.
I used to use DupeGuru which has some photo-specific dupe detection where you can fuzzy match image dupes based on content: https://dupeguru.voltaicideas.net/
But I switched over to czkawka, which has a better interface for comparing files, and seems to be a bit faster: https://github.com/qarmin/czkawka
Unfortunately, neither of these are integrated into Photoprism, so you still have to do some file management outside the database before importing.
I also haven't used Photoprism extensively yet (I think it's running on one of my boxes, but I haven't gotten around to setting it up), but I did find that it wasn't really built for file-based libraries. It's a little more heavyweight, but my research shows that Nextcloud Memories might be a better choice for me (it's not the first-party Nextcloud photos app, but another one put together by the community): https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/memories
But I switched over to czkawka, which has a better interface for comparing files, and seems to be a bit faster: https://github.com/qarmin/czkawka
Unfortunately, neither of these are integrated into Photoprism, so you still have to do some file management outside the database before importing.
I also haven't used Photoprism extensively yet (I think it's running on one of my boxes, but I haven't gotten around to setting it up), but I did find that it wasn't really built for file-based libraries. It's a little more heavyweight, but my research shows that Nextcloud Memories might be a better choice for me (it's not the first-party Nextcloud photos app, but another one put together by the community): https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/memories
Memories is definitely loads better, especially with Recognize for face/object/video tagging
I used successfully https://github.com/qarmin/czkawka to remove duplicate and also https://www.scootersoftware.com/ to merge pictures folders
I wrote some scripts a few years ago to do just that. I haven’t used them myself in a while, but they should still be good.
https://github.com/jonathankoren/photo-autorganize
https://github.com/jonathankoren/photo-autorganize
Same. Killer feature
I have tried to install this from source but it's quite difficult. I don't like deploying opaque docker images.
Full agreement, Immich has a similar problem. I don't know at what point basic systemd services stopped being enough but docker is usually a non starter for me.
>docker is a nonstarter
I dunno, I enjoy not having to install 500 libraries on my system just to test an app. Also upgrading those libraries without butchering my system is also nice. Not to mention rebuilding a system is really fast. Too many pros outweigh the cons
I dunno, I enjoy not having to install 500 libraries on my system just to test an app. Also upgrading those libraries without butchering my system is also nice. Not to mention rebuilding a system is really fast. Too many pros outweigh the cons
I more enjoy more a working image where the developer can control things like python version and image processing libraries
90% of my services work fine without Docker. Mastodon, Lemmy, Peertube, Caddy, Forgejo, Jellyfin, and Plex. Immich also has a way of installing w/o docker from source but it isn't documented, I don't mean to single them out because the app is great otherwise.
A developer must have had a working config at some point to create the Dockerfile. Providing literally only the Dockerfile is usually just a sign of throwing hands up and saying "It's too hard!".. you should be able to package for at least one platform that isn't Docker. That's just app development, or at least it was until recently.
A developer must have had a working config at some point to create the Dockerfile. Providing literally only the Dockerfile is usually just a sign of throwing hands up and saying "It's too hard!".. you should be able to package for at least one platform that isn't Docker. That's just app development, or at least it was until recently.
I disagree, as I have spent way too many hours fighting ancient packages in ubuntu repos at work. Image processing is very difficult when limited to the available versions in ubuntu or Fedora. I do wonder how mastodon or Plex does it. Plex is a paid product though.
Fair enough, maybe image processing is just something I have not dealt with much and it is no coincidence that the two image hosting services are the ones with Docker oriented processes.
You can always build and tag your own docker image using the docker files included from source. Or simply follow the docker files as install instructions:
[0] https://github.com/photoprism/photoprism/blob/develop/docker...
[0] https://github.com/photoprism/photoprism/blob/develop/docker...
"simply follow the docker files"
I'm not sure if you perused the docker files for this repo, but imho there is nothing simple about them
Edit:
I was curious so I dug into them a bit and found that the dockerfile references a develop docker image. There is a second docker file to see how that base image is built. In the steps to build that base image, we grab some .zip files from the web for the AI models. We install go, nodejs, mariadb, etc for quite a few deps, and then there is also a substantial list of packages installed. One step also does:
I'm not sure if you perused the docker files for this repo, but imho there is nothing simple about them
Edit:
I was curious so I dug into them a bit and found that the dockerfile references a develop docker image. There is a second docker file to see how that base image is built. In the steps to build that base image, we grab some .zip files from the web for the AI models. We install go, nodejs, mariadb, etc for quite a few deps, and then there is also a substantial list of packages installed. One step also does:
apt-get update && apt-get -qq dist-upgradedist upgrade in a Dockerfile?
Yes. That just means upgrade and install extra required packages.
The nonsensical one would be do-release-upgrade.
The nonsensical one would be do-release-upgrade.
They're both kinda dumb though. Updating will create a new layer, but the old binaries will still be a part of the image as part of the history.
The only correct way is to either rebuild the base image from scratch or just fetch a new base image. My suggestion would be the latter, just run docker pull again for the baseimage and use that, without running update.
The only correct way is to either rebuild the base image from scratch or just fetch a new base image. My suggestion would be the latter, just run docker pull again for the baseimage and use that, without running update.
How is a Docker image more opaque than a binary built from source?
I disagree.
Docker is the one thing that works on MANY flavors of Linux.
If I want to provide a tool I want to spend my time on building the tool, not building an rpm, a snap, a deb, ...
The Docker build process is significantly easier. For example, I can just pull in NodeJS 20. I can't do that on Ubuntu. It's not available on packages.ubuntu.com.
Building a deb/snap/rpm is a whole other language to understand how dependencies are set up.
And then I need to test those. I've never even ran CentOS.
Docker is the one thing that works on MANY flavors of Linux.
If I want to provide a tool I want to spend my time on building the tool, not building an rpm, a snap, a deb, ...
The Docker build process is significantly easier. For example, I can just pull in NodeJS 20. I can't do that on Ubuntu. It's not available on packages.ubuntu.com.
Building a deb/snap/rpm is a whole other language to understand how dependencies are set up.
And then I need to test those. I've never even ran CentOS.
Rpm is trivial to learn
No it is not. I have never ever touched a RPM, but I want to bundle my app with jdk 20 and opencv 4.5. how do I guarantee that?
Requires: openjdk=20, opencv=4.5
You would put this line in your rpm .spec file. Do you really think the above line is hard? Maybe the difficulty you have is in never have touched rpm. Start here: http://ftp.rpm.org/max-rpm/index.html
Yes that is already way too much extra work. And when those versions are not yet available to depend on? libheif, libaom and libraw needs latest versions and be built together.
That is an implementation detail, not a problem with rpm spec. When comcast builds rpms, the entire chain of required software is built with it. I should add: it is trivial to make integration tests to catch exactly what you describe. If the software is not built internally then the infra team ensures the required repos exist and dependencies match up to official repo rpms.
None of that has to do with the difficulty of rpm spec, but entirely with organizational planning. You do plan while building software.. right?
Also github does the exact same thing but with deb. It works in the real world. Quite well, too!
None of that has to do with the difficulty of rpm spec, but entirely with organizational planning. You do plan while building software.. right?
Also github does the exact same thing but with deb. It works in the real world. Quite well, too!
Its typically a one man project I build in my spare time for free… there is no team
Checkout that website. You will not be disappointed
I generally don't either, but I wonder: are you more comfortable with running a docker image without internet access? You can firewall your host so the container can't access it and assign an internal network to the container.
Well, I don't want to run untrusted apps for a start. I am not that desperate :)
Genuine question: what do you consider "trusted" code/apps? What difference is there between compiling from source and using the prebuilt official Docker image?
Just read all the source code
Has anyone tried the Nix package?
Yup, and it actually wasn't working until fairly recently (maybe a few months ago? I was keeping an eye on it for a while).
But yeah, it's even fully integrated into NixOS options now. You can set up a default install with one line: https://search.nixos.org/options?query=photoprism
But yeah, it's even fully integrated into NixOS options now. You can set up a default install with one line: https://search.nixos.org/options?query=photoprism
Yup! Worked great for the few months I used it. I think it's kinda funny how much simpler the Nix package is when compared to upstream's dockerfiles lol
Yes, it works quite well. I’m using the NixOS module to configure it.
I second this - docker images are a horrible way to distribute applications. Please make an AppImage or flatpak for Linux.
General question: does this have import from google photos? Please don't make me go through the google takeout pain.
General question: does this have import from google photos? Please don't make me go through the google takeout pain.
it's a server app. flatpak or appimage is a terrible way for those.
Yuck. Every time my system has some random binary that doesn’t seem to resolve to any expected location it’s because it’s installed with flatpak, snap or appimage (why 3?!).
Now I just stick to debian packages.
Now I just stick to debian packages.
Because...?
Because docker is made for server apps. Flatpak is for desktop apps. Docker comes with batteries included to keep things running 24 7
What percentage of people install this on their own computers?
Docker is much less manageable locally than, say, systemd or supervisor.
The only thing (which is something) that docker has going for it is that it's cross platform. But the same argument can be made for writing apps using electron. If you're going to do that, fine, but acknowledge the compromise. It's not better.
Docker is much less manageable locally than, say, systemd or supervisor.
The only thing (which is something) that docker has going for it is that it's cross platform. But the same argument can be made for writing apps using electron. If you're going to do that, fine, but acknowledge the compromise. It's not better.
It is not. What if this app needs python 3.11? How do I guarantee that in the environment for all linux distros?
If portability is a project goal, maybe pick a language that is actually portable (which python is not). This is almost exactly the argument for Electron: I want a portable app written in js + html, therefore I need to include a js runtime (i.e. chromium + node) with it.
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Some features are only in the paid version which is fair enough, but when I tried it a few months ago there was a small but permanently visible message on the app reminding me this was the free version. That was annoying.
I've read you just need to add "PHOTOPRISM_SPONSOR: "true"" to the docker compose lol.
It's not really a secret since the application is open-source. I find their relaxed approach to a paid open-source application very nice.
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If I am going to host something myself and not pay i'd like to do so without a "this is the free version" reminder all the time. At that point I'll just keep paying for my Apple One subscription.
It's opensource and AGPL, as long as you do not redistribute it I believe you can fork it and rebuild it.
I’m curious how this works with AGPL. Do they not have to release the source of the paid version?
They have a contributor licence agreement that allows them to relicense incoming contributions, so they can release the paid version under a proprietary licence, if they so wish.
https://www.photoprism.app/cla
https://www.photoprism.app/cla
Yea, cla is a massive turn off for contributing. I've made a couple of small PRs but wouldn't do anything more substantial
Their obligation is only to the users who paid for it, and if you host the paid version to serve someone else, the obligation is on you only.
That doesn't mean the code can't get distributed more widely. I guess it's a bet based on the honesty of users.
That doesn't mean the code can't get distributed more widely. I guess it's a bet based on the honesty of users.
Wouldn't that source only need to be available to those who purchase the paid version?
> Wouldn't that source only need to be available to those who purchase the paid version?
Yes but I am trying to see if there is a better solution to the red hat freeloader problem. To spell it out, What is to stop Oracle (doesn't make sense but couldn't come up with a more evil name) from purchasing a license and releasing IronPrism or whatever by doing s/PhotoPrism/IronPrism?
Yes but I am trying to see if there is a better solution to the red hat freeloader problem. To spell it out, What is to stop Oracle (doesn't make sense but couldn't come up with a more evil name) from purchasing a license and releasing IronPrism or whatever by doing s/PhotoPrism/IronPrism?
I deployed this recently and added a bunch of pictures to it. PhotoPrism prominently features an AI-generated (?) 'description' on each photo, but for 98% of my photos, it was unable to come up with any description. The install procedure is needlessly complicated, there's no good reason for an app like this to require docker.
Overall, I was underwhelmed
Overall, I was underwhelmed
> there's no good reason for an app like this to require docker.
Well, there is a good reason. To make the install more simple. IMHO containerization makes selfhosting way easier.
Well, there is a good reason. To make the install more simple. IMHO containerization makes selfhosting way easier.
I disagree with the contention that docker makes installs more simple. I would argue that it only makes installs more simple if you are already setup with Docker, and only when things go 100% correctly.
When I see a software application that recommends Docker for deployment, I always assume that I'm going to need to do extra work to make it behave correctly. Whether that is figuring out how to make it auto-start, or how to forward network ports, or how to share a data partition with the host OS.
Non-docker installs are simpler. At least, for my skill set.
When I see a software application that recommends Docker for deployment, I always assume that I'm going to need to do extra work to make it behave correctly. Whether that is figuring out how to make it auto-start, or how to forward network ports, or how to share a data partition with the host OS.
Non-docker installs are simpler. At least, for my skill set.
Can't you just copy what the Dockerfile is doing bud? Plenty of home server enthusiasts love docker for the simplicity it brings to handling a bunch of software. Not trying to knock you, just wondering where the complexity is coming from for you.
Sure I can. But it's not always that simple. Let's look at the repository for the software discussed in this thread [1]
I see one dockerfile and 7 docker compose files (.yml)
The dockerfile does not apparently do anything useful. I'd be amazed if running that dockerfile by itself produced anything useful
Now, I don't know very much about docker compose, but I learned a bit of it in order to get this software running on my server. If I worked at it, I could almost certainly get a working install of PhotoPrism without using Docker, but it would be annoying work, and I wouldn't have any certainty. I wouldn't know that it was correct, and any time something didn't work the way I expect, I would worry that I screwed something up during the installation
Not to mention the added operational complexity involved in managing a dockerized application compared to managing e.g. an equivalent webapp deployed without containerization (systemd service file, configuration file, etc)
[1] https://github.com/photoprism/photoprism
I see one dockerfile and 7 docker compose files (.yml)
The dockerfile does not apparently do anything useful. I'd be amazed if running that dockerfile by itself produced anything useful
Now, I don't know very much about docker compose, but I learned a bit of it in order to get this software running on my server. If I worked at it, I could almost certainly get a working install of PhotoPrism without using Docker, but it would be annoying work, and I wouldn't have any certainty. I wouldn't know that it was correct, and any time something didn't work the way I expect, I would worry that I screwed something up during the installation
Not to mention the added operational complexity involved in managing a dockerized application compared to managing e.g. an equivalent webapp deployed without containerization (systemd service file, configuration file, etc)
[1] https://github.com/photoprism/photoprism
That Dockerfile doesn't seem to do anything because it inherits from another container that probably has more interesting stuff in it.
In any case, I found this in the docker/ subdirectory (if it was me I would have put it in the main README):
https://github.com/photoprism/photoprism/tree/develop/docker...
In any case, I found this in the docker/ subdirectory (if it was me I would have put it in the main README):
https://github.com/photoprism/photoprism/tree/develop/docker...
Building From Source
You can build and install PhotoPrism from the publicly available source code:*
git clone https://github.com/photoprism/photoprism.git
cd photoprism
make all install DESTDIR=/opt/photoprismI found this too. They mention this:
Missing build dependencies must be installed manually as shown in our human-readable and versioned Dockerfile.
And the word "Dockerfile" is a link to a nonexistent page... they definitely skipped their grep + sed update homework when moving things around.
Noticing the broken link points to photoprism/docker/develop/Dockerfile, I supposed they had moved it and indeed, just by going one parent up, the directoy photoprism/docker/develop/ contains subdirectories for lots of base systems, each one containing a Dockerfile that lists dependencies needed for each of them.
For example, for Ubuntu 20.04:
https://github.com/photoprism/photoprism/blob/develop/docker...
Noticing the broken link points to photoprism/docker/develop/Dockerfile, I supposed they had moved it and indeed, just by going one parent up, the directoy photoprism/docker/develop/ contains subdirectories for lots of base systems, each one containing a Dockerfile that lists dependencies needed for each of them.
For example, for Ubuntu 20.04:
https://github.com/photoprism/photoprism/blob/develop/docker...
This is why I like https://github.com/mother-of-all-self-hosting/mash-playbook and its associated Ansible roles for configuring various services.
All the portability of Docker, plus (something close to) the ease of use of installing a distro package like an .rpm or .deb.
All the portability of Docker, plus (something close to) the ease of use of installing a distro package like an .rpm or .deb.
Docker made it basically trivial to run PhotoPrism on my Synology NAS…
It did the same for me, and (at least when I looked at it) there was no way to just manually tag photos/identify subjects.
You can manually tag photos and identify people, though the UI flow is not the most convenient. (I've been trying it put for a couple months.)
How? I can’t find the option to add faces. I can add keywords and add labels but not faces
It isn't very intuitive, especially for one of the major features, but:
1. Select a photo with a recognizable face
2. Click the Pencil / Edit icon in the upper right menu
3. Select the People tab
4. Enter the name/names
1. Select a photo with a recognizable face
2. Click the Pencil / Edit icon in the upper right menu
3. Select the People tab
4. Enter the name/names
Oh yea but if it doesn’t recognize a face then you can’t do anything. I have plenty of photos where the face is right there, but photoprism just didn’t recognize that there’s a face, and I can’t manually point at it and say “add a face, name it xxxx”
This is a similar project but fully open source (and probably less mature). The lead dev is very active and responsive. https://immich.app/
PhotoPrism is under AGPL, how is that not fully open source?
https://github.com/photoprism/photoprism/blob/develop/LICENS...
https://opensource.org/license/agpl-v3/
https://github.com/photoprism/photoprism/blob/develop/LICENS...
https://opensource.org/license/agpl-v3/
I believe OP meant some features of PhotoPrism is paid.
Maybe that's what they meant. If so, they are confused about what open source means.
Selling open source or free software is fine.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html
Selling open source or free software is fine.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html
So all their features are open-source?
yes. there's at least 2 different ios apps, and one of those might not be (from another dev)
It is fully opensource, the opensource code contains also the logic to verify a serial key that you will be given if you purchase the license and if verification succeeds the code will enable the extra features.
As such you could fork it, tweak the code around the license verification to always return TRUE or whatever, and you would be running a "pro version" of the software.
The developer simply trusts that people who like the software will purchase a license, or the fact that the majority of people out there are not programmers and would not be able to rebuild the software for themselves. Besides, the product is also offered as a SaaS.
As such you could fork it, tweak the code around the license verification to always return TRUE or whatever, and you would be running a "pro version" of the software.
The developer simply trusts that people who like the software will purchase a license, or the fact that the majority of people out there are not programmers and would not be able to rebuild the software for themselves. Besides, the product is also offered as a SaaS.
AFAIK PhotoPrism itself is open source, but the PhotoSync tool that they suggest for syncing your photos to it is not.
for those looking for an open source way to sync photos, syncthing has an android app that works well. While it is 'always running' on my android phone, I love how as soon as I arrive home it connects to wifi and moves any new photos to my home linux box (which is also running syncthing).
Does immich support S3 storage and multiple users? These are the two features I miss in most of theses projects, don’t really care about the AI stuff
Multiple users? Yes. As for s3, natively, no but you can always mount s3 as a directory and point the app to use that directory.
Having used both I can say that PhotoPrism runs MUCH more stable and surprisingly smooth. Immich constantly breaks.
Immich is very much alpha, that's why there are warning banners all over their docs. But at least it's in development - the single PhotoPrism dev rarely accepts PRs, so it hasn't had significant new features in ages
that demo site looks very promising, the feature set is really quite exhaustive already at such early development stage; comes closest to full blown google photos self hosted replacement.
would be cool if also had dynamic shared albums as google photos has with facial recognition
would be cool if also had dynamic shared albums as google photos has with facial recognition
Thanks for sharing. Its Design looks relatively more clean.
I looked at a bunch of these 2 years ago and ended up using PhotoView for a private gallery. It had the right mix of simplicity and features, and I was actually able to get it running.
https://github.com/photoview/photoview
https://github.com/photoview/photoview
This seems to be light on the details for the p2p / decentralized part. Anyone have more details? Does this use DHT or a blockchain or how are they doing that?
I was also confused by the decentralized part as there's no mention of what exactly is decentralized on the website.
I'm surprised nobody has pointed out how terrible its selling feature - its AI - is. I tested it out and it was practically useless at classifying my images. Simple things like an obvious image of a cat it misses tagging as a cat so it isn't searchable.
Did I conceivably mess up the setup or is this other's experience as well?
Google photos AI is so far ahead of Photoprism it isn't even a contest unfortunately. Which sucks because I am more than willing to pay for a viable alternative (still looking...).
Did I conceivably mess up the setup or is this other's experience as well?
Google photos AI is so far ahead of Photoprism it isn't even a contest unfortunately. Which sucks because I am more than willing to pay for a viable alternative (still looking...).
I have recently downloaded acdsee's photo thing to test this, but have not gotten around to running it and doing the things - but maybe it's partially there?
acdsee.com/en/products/photo-studio-ultimate/
It looks interesting; I might be in their target group.
But after ten minutes of browsing around, I still have some open questions regarding privacy. What would I have to do to have an absolutely, unequivocally local-only install? Can I even do that? Which features would I need to disable? Especially anything related to AI and classification raises red flags in that regard.
While it is apparent that they've given a lot of thought to privacy and while their privacy policy is definitely one of the better ones I have seen, it still conflates things such as website access with usage of the tool itself.
It would be nice to have one clear, guiding document that outlines how private a private install really is.
But after ten minutes of browsing around, I still have some open questions regarding privacy. What would I have to do to have an absolutely, unequivocally local-only install? Can I even do that? Which features would I need to disable? Especially anything related to AI and classification raises red flags in that regard.
While it is apparent that they've given a lot of thought to privacy and while their privacy policy is definitely one of the better ones I have seen, it still conflates things such as website access with usage of the tool itself.
It would be nice to have one clear, guiding document that outlines how private a private install really is.
AI recognition is local. You can totally disable external access and it will run fine (obviously assuming your photo storage is local).
Their recognition model is loose. It works and it works well enough for what this is to be useful but it's just a quick classifier. It will absolutely have misses.
You can optionally aadd in a coral dev board to save yourself some cpu load but I've never found it necessary.
Their recognition model is loose. It works and it works well enough for what this is to be useful but it's just a quick classifier. It will absolutely have misses.
You can optionally aadd in a coral dev board to save yourself some cpu load but I've never found it necessary.
Is the non-accelerated model also a quantised version? The EdgeTPU is very efficient, but you can get a significant performance drop unless you take care when converting. Modern CPUs can do classification fast enough that you could do background processing and unless you have really tens of thousands of images, you'd be done in an hour or two
That is good to know, thank you!
I'm absolutely fine with a good enough classifier, as long as it is local. I would even be fine without one.
I'm absolutely fine with a good enough classifier, as long as it is local. I would even be fine without one.
Yep. I like the design. I like the little globe that shows where your pictures come from. It is all neat. I actually would pay money for it, because right now I just watch pics/vids from trips manually. I would not want to install another data hoover ( especially of something as intimate as my family pictures ) unless I could be relatively certain data stays where it is.
Do a docker install and disable outbound internet access on it.
How does one disable outbound access entirely in a single docker Container?
Use "networks" in your compose, optionally with HTTP_PROXY in your container
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39913757/restrict-intern...
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39913757/restrict-intern...
Brilliant, thanks
Also check out PiGallery for a more light weight solution https://github.com/bpatrik/pigallery2 (with less features of course, but it may work if you only want an online gallery)
I am extremely happy with my photoprism setup. I tried to degoogle my life and found their docker setup to be great.
I use FolderSync on my android phone to copy any pictures I take to my photoprism WebDAV
I use FolderSync on my android phone to copy any pictures I take to my photoprism WebDAV
Can you share how you are hosting it, photo library file types or size, and what the performance is like? I'm always skeptical of stated requirements and what other people are prepared to put up with.
I've got an older Synology NAS that currently stores my 250GB photo library with a lot of RAWs. While it can run docker I'm not going to attempt to run it there. I'm wondering if a VM on my 10700k is going to be sufficient for great performance, or if handing over the complete machine is going to be necessary. I'm happy adding more NVMe 3.0 drives for storage.
I'm also curious how version upgrades have been for you. I want to get out of the ops business but I feel like I'm going to be dragged in.
I've got an older Synology NAS that currently stores my 250GB photo library with a lot of RAWs. While it can run docker I'm not going to attempt to run it there. I'm wondering if a VM on my 10700k is going to be sufficient for great performance, or if handing over the complete machine is going to be necessary. I'm happy adding more NVMe 3.0 drives for storage.
I'm also curious how version upgrades have been for you. I want to get out of the ops business but I feel like I'm going to be dragged in.
I run it on an Intel nuc, i5 8xxx runs great, along side a bunch of other self hosted stuff, nothing very taxing.
Biggest thing was to put all the photos on SSD, at least the thumbnail cache if not all.
I also run it, on my backup server, pi 4, with all ai disabled, it's slower, but probably because it's all on HDD still usable.
Biggest thing was to put all the photos on SSD, at least the thumbnail cache if not all.
I also run it, on my backup server, pi 4, with all ai disabled, it's slower, but probably because it's all on HDD still usable.
My photo library is incredibly simple compared to yours. Maybe 15 GB of a mixture of tiff, raw, and some PNG.
I would say my requirements are nowhere near yours and that you would really need to test it yourself for your usecase. Some people on the photoprism forums claim it can handle large libraries like yours but I would always recommend testing yourself.
I host it via docker on a pretty tiny VPS with 3 vCPU and 4 GB RAM and it's fine.
I would say my requirements are nowhere near yours and that you would really need to test it yourself for your usecase. Some people on the photoprism forums claim it can handle large libraries like yours but I would always recommend testing yourself.
I host it via docker on a pretty tiny VPS with 3 vCPU and 4 GB RAM and it's fine.
I run it on a nuc with a cheap 1tb nvme drive and it is fast enough. I have zero RAW photos though.
> I use FolderSync on my android phone
Genuinely curious, if you use Android can you truly de google your life?
Genuinely curious, if you use Android can you truly de google your life?
It probably depends on what you mean by "de-google", but if you simply do not want to host your data at Google or depend on Google services, it's quite easy.
As far as I can tell, the only place you really need to be logged in to a Google account to get a "normal" Android experience is the Play Store, which makes sense.
I use Google Maps for example (Osmand when I can, but Google Maps is the only free app that has good traffic information) while not logged in, but my photos are hosted by Photoprism, my emails are not at Gmail, my backups are on my home server, etc.
I find myself largely independent from Google and if that's your goal, as opposed to trying to hide yourself from Google (which would be better, but I find it unrealistic for my needs), it's easy to achieve on an Android phone and certainly easier than independence from Apple on an iPhone.
As far as I can tell, the only place you really need to be logged in to a Google account to get a "normal" Android experience is the Play Store, which makes sense.
I use Google Maps for example (Osmand when I can, but Google Maps is the only free app that has good traffic information) while not logged in, but my photos are hosted by Photoprism, my emails are not at Gmail, my backups are on my home server, etc.
I find myself largely independent from Google and if that's your goal, as opposed to trying to hide yourself from Google (which would be better, but I find it unrealistic for my needs), it's easy to achieve on an Android phone and certainly easier than independence from Apple on an iPhone.
If you want google-free experience then Play Store is not that important, as (1) it hardly can be said to be degoogled (2) most apps there would want GCM for a start, so you connect to G. even is using microG. Fdroid should be your best friend.
I think that's the point I made on the meaning of "degoogled". It doesn't have to mean "Google-free".
To add to that second point, stock android is tied to google still. last I checked, it would phone home on internet connectivity check, I think hal but I could be wrong, and a few more.
But, if you use grapheneos, they replace the google services with their own alternatives and sometimes let you disable the feature entirely. Also, on any rooted android. You can use AFwall+ to firewall any google connection or app. This way, even system services can't make network requests.
But, if you use grapheneos, they replace the google services with their own alternatives and sometimes let you disable the feature entirely. Also, on any rooted android. You can use AFwall+ to firewall any google connection or app. This way, even system services can't make network requests.
I tried for a while. You can use a ROM based on AOSP with microg services in place of the google binaries. It was about 80-90% of what the normal android experience is. I finally got frustrated with it and reinstalled with the Google binaries, but it is doable.
You definitely can. I use GrapheneOS and F-Droid as the app store. I guess the phone itself is from Google but other than that nothing. I even get OTA updates asap. I use NewPipe instead of YouTube, my own Nextcloud instead of Google Drive etc.
Extremely good point! I think with stock android, not really. I use grapheneOS so I guess as much as reasonable.
For family photos shared on the LAN I use https://github.com/bpatrik/pigallery2 It is simple and FAST. I do the face recognition on Digikam.
I gave this a shot a while ago and it looked promising. I particularly like the ability to identify pictures, something that Google Photos seems to be slipping on. (*)
The deal breaker for me was that there was no way to share the entire inventory of my photos without providing admin access. Does anyone know if that feature has been provided?
(*) I used to be able to find some pictures using simple keywords like "dog" but Google finds far fewer pictures with those keywords any more. OTOH, it is amusing to see the interpretation of some of my photos in Photoprism, but I suspect that will get better with time.
The deal breaker for me was that there was no way to share the entire inventory of my photos without providing admin access. Does anyone know if that feature has been provided?
(*) I used to be able to find some pictures using simple keywords like "dog" but Google finds far fewer pictures with those keywords any more. OTOH, it is amusing to see the interpretation of some of my photos in Photoprism, but I suspect that will get better with time.
Am I the only one who is amazed by this technology?
> Please don't upload photos containing offensive content. Uploads that may contain such images will be rejected automatically.
> Non-photographic and low-quality images require a review before they appear in search results.
How does it know what is "offensive"? Is this configurable? I don't want to upload photos of people (for obvious reasons) but other than that, does it even know the contents of a photo to tell if a photo is offensive?
Is a photo of a shelf at a grocery story selling beer offensive?
Is a photo of ice on the sidewalk offensive?
Or is it just about human nudity and porn?
> Please don't upload photos containing offensive content. Uploads that may contain such images will be rejected automatically.
> Non-photographic and low-quality images require a review before they appear in search results.
How does it know what is "offensive"? Is this configurable? I don't want to upload photos of people (for obvious reasons) but other than that, does it even know the contents of a photo to tell if a photo is offensive?
Is a photo of a shelf at a grocery story selling beer offensive?
Is a photo of ice on the sidewalk offensive?
Or is it just about human nudity and porn?
IMO offense is taken, not given.
In cases like this the "burden" should be on the party choosing the content they want to see.
Everyone should be able to upload a photo of ice on the sidewalk, but the other users should define that ice or sidewalks are offensive to them.
In cases like this the "burden" should be on the party choosing the content they want to see.
Everyone should be able to upload a photo of ice on the sidewalk, but the other users should define that ice or sidewalks are offensive to them.
Where is your quoted text from? I couldn't find it on linked github.
Edit: Okay, found it. I think it's likely that those warnings are only for uploading on their demo server linked on github and not on the locally hosted product.
Edit: Okay, found it. I think it's likely that those warnings are only for uploading on their demo server linked on github and not on the locally hosted product.
Theres an option to disable it on the local version. Just noticed mine also said that on the upload page and went looking in the options
When you're already running everything through a NASNet and labeling, its pretty easy to somewhat arbitrarily pick a list of labels to blacklist
https://github.com/photoprism/photoprism/blob/ff5f3ddeb1a198...
https://github.com/photoprism/photoprism/blob/ff5f3ddeb1a198...
That's strange.
Why do private photos need to be reviewed?
What am I missing? Is everyone just okay with giving up their privacy?
Why do private photos need to be reviewed?
What am I missing? Is everyone just okay with giving up their privacy?
It is a setting you can choose to enable when you install it. It judges “NSFW” images locally and automatically tags them as private, and you can choose to mark them "public" (as in they will appear in searches and albums and the like), they appear in your search. Or you can just choose not to enable that when you install it and it wont run that analysis. I have it turned on just in case something gets mixed in with my regular photos. I’d say 80% are false positives completely random pictures, or of bikini pictures or my gf laying on the couch in short shorts. But it does catch the occasional “private” image, so I like having it on. I also mark some photos private for various reasons, so I can pull up and show people my vacation photo album without worrying.
The review section is not for NSFW things. It is for low resolution or low information images. Again, it runs locally. As far as I know, it is to keep your library from being clogged up with crappy thumbnails or screenshots or other junk. If you don’t care, you can just bulk approve them.
It also does facial recognition locally. You aren’t giving up any privacy, which is why I use this after resisting Google photos and just doing the folders method for years.
The review section is not for NSFW things. It is for low resolution or low information images. Again, it runs locally. As far as I know, it is to keep your library from being clogged up with crappy thumbnails or screenshots or other junk. If you don’t care, you can just bulk approve them.
It also does facial recognition locally. You aren’t giving up any privacy, which is why I use this after resisting Google photos and just doing the folders method for years.
What you are missing is that these aren't private photos. The warning is specifically displayed when you upload photos to their demo server.
I get a bit bored of the knee-jerk "Free Speech" stuff.
I get a bit bored of the knee-jerk "Free Speech" stuff.
1. This is a feature of the base software, largely inherent to the core feature (see below)
2. Is is configurable and I believe mostly off by default, depending on install method
3. It is lit up in their demo instance
4. It is not a bespoke content filter, this is an `AI POWERED` app that classifies and labels photos so that they can be indexed for text search. Everything is processed through a NASNet and labeled. The upload filter just does some pretty rudimentary heuristics on the labels and decides if it will allow or quarantine the upload. To be clear, It is all server side-- the image is uploaded, its just quarantined.
2. Is is configurable and I believe mostly off by default, depending on install method
3. It is lit up in their demo instance
4. It is not a bespoke content filter, this is an `AI POWERED` app that classifies and labels photos so that they can be indexed for text search. Everything is processed through a NASNet and labeled. The upload filter just does some pretty rudimentary heuristics on the labels and decides if it will allow or quarantine the upload. To be clear, It is all server side-- the image is uploaded, its just quarantined.
You can upload nsfw images to your own server. It automatically sets them to private, but it’s not incredible at identifying photo content yet.
Haha I saw a few hours ago immich on top of HN, wanted to tell everybody I'm using photoprism + syncthing for quite a long time now and I see that photoprism made it to the top , well, good !
I've been using Photoprism for perhaps 18 months, primarily as a basic way to categorize and browse my photos. Not a power user by any means but I found it easy to use and upgrade over time. I had a couple small issues like image deletion and easy sync to s3, which may have been addressed in recent builds. I actually need to get back into it to upload my recent summer vacation pics. Overall I was a happy user and the tool met my needs for a photo catalog that I control and run locally.
Anyone also used Synology Photos and able to compare it's functionality to this? Which is better?
I used PhotoPrism some time ago when it was slightly less featured, but wasn't satisfied with it. The dealbreaker for me is auto mobile backup. PhotoPrism relies on a third party app to "sync" photos, which isn't the same as backing them up. With that said, PhotoPrism is all the rage in the self-hosting community and I can definitely see why.
Conversely, Synology Photos (which I use instead now) has a fantastic mobile app. However, if you really want reliable and granular object/face recognition, the Syno app is a little bare bones. It does some face recog but that's really it. However, its backup feature is reliable and I don't have to worry about if it's working in the background or not. I tried Nextcloud's photo plugin for a while too, but its mobile app had issues and I just couldn't rely on it.
Another project I've been keeping my eye on is immich: https://github.com/immich-app/immich
I'm happy for now with Syno Photos but it would be nice to have my photo app in my container environment with everything else I run and just use the NAS for media storage like I intended to.
Conversely, Synology Photos (which I use instead now) has a fantastic mobile app. However, if you really want reliable and granular object/face recognition, the Syno app is a little bare bones. It does some face recog but that's really it. However, its backup feature is reliable and I don't have to worry about if it's working in the background or not. I tried Nextcloud's photo plugin for a while too, but its mobile app had issues and I just couldn't rely on it.
Another project I've been keeping my eye on is immich: https://github.com/immich-app/immich
I'm happy for now with Syno Photos but it would be nice to have my photo app in my container environment with everything else I run and just use the NAS for media storage like I intended to.
Thanks for that!
The Synology Photos UI feels much more polished and it includes a mobile app. Synology Photos only has community mobile apps, which weren't well maintained. And last I checked Photoprism did not have multi-user support. Synology Photos feels much more like something I could get my partner and kids to adopt.
The downside is that Synology Photo's database schema and API are not officially documented, but you can find people who have documented them and since it's on a machine you own you have unlimited access to them, so it's still a big step up from Google Photos and Apple Photos which are chock full of restrictions - e.g. Apple Photos doesn't even have a web API.
The downside is that Synology Photo's database schema and API are not officially documented, but you can find people who have documented them and since it's on a machine you own you have unlimited access to them, so it's still a big step up from Google Photos and Apple Photos which are chock full of restrictions - e.g. Apple Photos doesn't even have a web API.
It's not a proper comparison, because I have ancient ds115, but Syno's app is really barebones. I tried it on Xpenology too, just to be sure, but overall it's... meh. PhotoPrism was way better compared to it.
Somewhat related: anyone knows a service/tool which creates short movies like an iphone does automatically?
I have a nas to which I automatically upload all my phone and DSLR photos/videos. I'd love to see automatic montages every not and then with some animations/music etc. without having to do them myself...
I have a nas to which I automatically upload all my phone and DSLR photos/videos. I'd love to see automatic montages every not and then with some animations/music etc. without having to do them myself...
Small, important things like this and support for 'live photos' keep me in Apple's embrace.
The 'memories' feature of of Apple Photos is frankly amazing.
The 'memories' feature of of Apple Photos is frankly amazing.
It looks like PhotoPrism does have Live Photos support, but I haven't tried it myself.
I've tried a couple of self-hosted solutions to accompany my use of Google Photos in case Google ever decides to pull a stunt with Photos.
Nextcloud was basic, but serviceable. I liked that it handled docs, contact sync, etc. The sync was clumsy and I found updates frequently broke the system.
I just tried PhotoPrism with my ~75GB photo directory. The classification is.. decent and all run locally. It took around a full 24 hours to index and classify my photos, which it did reasonably well. Google Photos' classifications is miles better to be sure, but PhotoPrism was easy to set up and works pretty well.
I no longer expose any of my services outside my local network (besides Wireguard) so I'm hoping to find a Photosync system that will only upload when on my home wifi and charging. Any suggestions there?
Nextcloud was basic, but serviceable. I liked that it handled docs, contact sync, etc. The sync was clumsy and I found updates frequently broke the system.
I just tried PhotoPrism with my ~75GB photo directory. The classification is.. decent and all run locally. It took around a full 24 hours to index and classify my photos, which it did reasonably well. Google Photos' classifications is miles better to be sure, but PhotoPrism was easy to set up and works pretty well.
I no longer expose any of my services outside my local network (besides Wireguard) so I'm hoping to find a Photosync system that will only upload when on my home wifi and charging. Any suggestions there?
Nextcloud is now pretty full featured google photos replacement as well with the Memories and Recognize apps. It will create face photo albums, tag images with objects, videos with activities, and audio with genre. Though not as good as Google. I've run it for maybe a year now and no updates have broken anything.
I don't use docs/contacts or even the official photo sync though, I just sync files through Foldersync on Android. That can easily be set to only upload on certain wifi.
I don't use docs/contacts or even the official photo sync though, I just sync files through Foldersync on Android. That can easily be set to only upload on certain wifi.
Maybe use Resilio Sync (bittorrent-based) and force it to do LAN only syncing?
https://help.resilio.com/hc/en-us/articles/204754349-Can-I-f...
https://help.resilio.com/hc/en-us/articles/204754349-Can-I-f...
> so I'm hoping to find a Photosync system that will only upload when on my home wifi and charging. Any suggestions there?
Syncthing
Syncthing
I tried this about a year ago and it was alright. I wanted to like Photonix, as it was a python library and I expected would be easier to hack, but I couldn't lie to myself. PhotoPrism is very clearly and very obviously the most mature of the available projects for this.
I use this but would love something that’s better at tagging content and face recognition. Photoprism misses the mark often, and it’s also not very easy to fix mistakes.
Edit: for example, just yesterday I uploaded ~30 photos of my girlfriend. It recognized her in one photo and didn’t even identify her face as a face in the rest.
I also don’t understand what’s doing the processing for the facial recognition. Is my cpu doing it or is an external service doing it?
Edit: for example, just yesterday I uploaded ~30 photos of my girlfriend. It recognized her in one photo and didn’t even identify her face as a face in the rest.
I also don’t understand what’s doing the processing for the facial recognition. Is my cpu doing it or is an external service doing it?
I asked in a chat for prism a while back but there was no interest, I would like something self hosted like this that works on zip files.
I have a large collection of google photos "takeout" zip files. I dont need to unzip them but I would like a photo app to view them.
They are stored on a server where i can run docker not "locally".
Does anyone have a recommendation?
"Thanks"
I have a large collection of google photos "takeout" zip files. I dont need to unzip them but I would like a photo app to view them.
They are stored on a server where i can run docker not "locally".
Does anyone have a recommendation?
"Thanks"
Why would you keep photos in a zip file? Are they uncompressed RAW or something?
Anyway, you could try using something like https://bitbucket.org/agalanin/fuse-zip/src/master/
To mount the zip file and then use any tool you want to operate on the files?
Anyway, you could try using something like https://bitbucket.org/agalanin/fuse-zip/src/master/
To mount the zip file and then use any tool you want to operate on the files?
Why would I want to unzip them? I got them zipped from google photos takeout. The folder structure inside is not something i would browse.
I will look at the mount option. Thank you for you suggestion!
I will look at the mount option. Thank you for you suggestion!
Because the zip file only makes the photos harder to work with and probably takes more disk space than if they were unzipped (since you fundamentally can’t compress an already compressed file).
I run a little Photoprism instance on my NAS as a self-hosted complement to Google Photos.
It's a... passable alternative to Google Photos. I downloaded it beforee they started advertising AI and decentralized features - I'm kind of surprised they took this marketing direction.
It's a... passable alternative to Google Photos. I downloaded it beforee they started advertising AI and decentralized features - I'm kind of surprised they took this marketing direction.
I ran an instance of this for about a year. It is super cool and pretty easy to manage. It was more than I needed - I was using it as just a photo backup and then a way to share photo collections with people - and pretty expensive to run on digital ocean.
THANK YOU! I was going to build something like this because I so so need it.
Has anybody tried using this on a large (500k+) photo collection?
107k photos here, and it's not great. I just clicked a month in the calendar and getting just the json back took 1.8 sec. Last of 12 images came in 2 sec later. Postgres, SSD.
Plus: all thumbs of non-square images are cropped, and it makes all this per source image:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 photoprism photoprism 1689 Sep 21 2022 json/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_exiftool.json -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 3944 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_100x100_center.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 7856 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_160x160_crop_2a51210960c8.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 12881 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_224x224_center.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 12151 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_224x224_left.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 13601 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_224x224_right.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 100 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_3x3_resize.png -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 49090 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_500x500_center.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 1824 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_50x50_center.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 74535 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_720x720_fit.jpg
The UI doesn't change the url to the photo you're looking at, so you can't share urls.
Images aren't links, so you can't do browser stuff like open one in a new tab. The back button doesn't work right at all.
The choice of metadata to display under each image in the listing is downright silly ('place', city, year, DoW, month, year again, time, zome, camera model, resolution, file size, city again, state, country).
The information scheme features 'albums', 'favorites', 'moments', 'labels', and 'folders', as if they were being forced to match a bunch of legacy systems. I want a powerful tag/group mechanism that I can use for many possible workflows.
The list under 'search' says 'Review 40193', clearly telling me I have that many pics to review. Clicking on it says:
No pictures found Try again using other filters or keywords. In case pictures you expect are missing, please rescan your library and wait until indexing has been completed. Non-photographic and low-quality images require a review before they appear in search results
(And I had to disable some user-select:none styles to copy paste that)
Plus: all thumbs of non-square images are cropped, and it makes all this per source image:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 photoprism photoprism 1689 Sep 21 2022 json/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_exiftool.json -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 3944 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_100x100_center.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 7856 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_160x160_crop_2a51210960c8.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 12881 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_224x224_center.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 12151 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_224x224_left.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 13601 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_224x224_right.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 100 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_3x3_resize.png -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 49090 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_500x500_center.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 1824 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_50x50_center.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 photoprism photoprism 74535 Sep 21 2022 thumbnails/0/0/0/00000f1790c93fdaaca662b56326fb5d130ab45d_720x720_fit.jpg
The UI doesn't change the url to the photo you're looking at, so you can't share urls.
Images aren't links, so you can't do browser stuff like open one in a new tab. The back button doesn't work right at all.
The choice of metadata to display under each image in the listing is downright silly ('place', city, year, DoW, month, year again, time, zome, camera model, resolution, file size, city again, state, country).
The information scheme features 'albums', 'favorites', 'moments', 'labels', and 'folders', as if they were being forced to match a bunch of legacy systems. I want a powerful tag/group mechanism that I can use for many possible workflows.
The list under 'search' says 'Review 40193', clearly telling me I have that many pics to review. Clicking on it says:
No pictures found Try again using other filters or keywords. In case pictures you expect are missing, please rescan your library and wait until indexing has been completed. Non-photographic and low-quality images require a review before they appear in search results
(And I had to disable some user-select:none styles to copy paste that)
Last time I tried, it did not have a good android app working.
do not leave upload public-open for even minutes
If public open is the default (I'm going to give benefit of the doubt and assume it is not) then that is very bad design and would make me question if I trust the devs much at all.
But yes, never set media hosting to open upload unless you want to become an image host for content people can't host elsewhere (or just for images used in spam campaigns).
But yes, never set media hosting to open upload unless you want to become an image host for content people can't host elsewhere (or just for images used in spam campaigns).
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> User Management
> Account Roles: Super Admin, Admin
So unless I switch to the >=EUR6.00/month Plus plan I cannot add a non admin user? So my grandma gets admin privileges? Is that not a blocker for a lot of families?
Edit: From https://www.photoprism.app/plus/kb/multi-user
> PhotoPrism® Plus includes advanced multi-user functionality and additional account roles. These roles are intended for situations where you want other people to have access to your library, such as giving family members access to your pictures without granting write permissions or exposing private content.
> It is recommended to set up additional instances if you have multiple users in a family, so that everyone can manage their own files independently. This way you can avoid problems with conflicting library settings, file permissions, and dealing with duplicates.
So you're actually supposed to run an instance per person it seems. But still, then my grandma would still be an admin. I think I'd like to about that.