On the bonkers color palette of Garfield comics(wondermark.com)
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On the bonkers color palette of Garfield comics
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I see this kind of argument come up a lot when talking about copyrights and patents. This is not how that works.
If someone creates a derivative work (e.g. crazy colors), that new person does own the copyright in the new "crazy colors" version, but they don't own the copyright to the black and white version. However, the new crazy colors version contains the rights of both the old and the new author, so that in order to publish the crazy color version, they would have to obtain a licence to the original version or else be infringing.
In short, the new version has two rights, owned by two different people, not one.
If someone creates a derivative work (e.g. crazy colors), that new person does own the copyright in the new "crazy colors" version, but they don't own the copyright to the black and white version. However, the new crazy colors version contains the rights of both the old and the new author, so that in order to publish the crazy color version, they would have to obtain a licence to the original version or else be infringing.
In short, the new version has two rights, owned by two different people, not one.
> If someone creates a derivative work (e.g. crazy colors), that new person does own the copyright in the new "crazy colors" version, but they don't own the copyright to the black and white version.
I don't think that is true at all - as far as I know, copyright on a derived work belongs entirely to the copyright owner of the original work.
If I create and sell prints of a Game of Thrones character, I am infringing HBO's copyright, and any money I make are owed to HBO legally. If you then create T-Shirts with my print and sell those, you are also infringing HBO's copyright, and all the money you make is also HBO's legally - you don't owe me 1 cent, since I had no right to copy HBO's work in the first place. If HBO wants to sell T-shirts with my print, they don't owe me anything.
However, patent law does work like you mention - you can have a patent on a technology, and I can have a patent on an enhancement over that basic technology. I can't create a product based on your base technology if you don't want me to, but you also can't create a product based on my enhancement if I don't want you to.
I don't think that is true at all - as far as I know, copyright on a derived work belongs entirely to the copyright owner of the original work.
If I create and sell prints of a Game of Thrones character, I am infringing HBO's copyright, and any money I make are owed to HBO legally. If you then create T-Shirts with my print and sell those, you are also infringing HBO's copyright, and all the money you make is also HBO's legally - you don't owe me 1 cent, since I had no right to copy HBO's work in the first place. If HBO wants to sell T-shirts with my print, they don't owe me anything.
However, patent law does work like you mention - you can have a patent on a technology, and I can have a patent on an enhancement over that basic technology. I can't create a product based on your base technology if you don't want me to, but you also can't create a product based on my enhancement if I don't want you to.
For precedent on this, see the case Anderson v. Stallone, in which Timothy Anderson sued Stallone/MGM for allegedly ripping off his fan script for Rocky 4. Courts ruled that his fan script, as a derivative work of Rocky, had no copyright protection, and so MGM was free to rip it off if they wanted to.
I happen to disagree, in that I think the law should say that derivative works are co-owned by the owners of the original work and the creator of the derivative; but that does not seem to be what the law currently says.
I happen to disagree, in that I think the law should say that derivative works are co-owned by the owners of the original work and the creator of the derivative; but that does not seem to be what the law currently says.
Unless the derivative work was created with permission.
You're right - the case I'm quoting is specifically about unauthorized derivative works, which is a pretty important distinction, especially in this context (as presumably the colorizations of Garfield were authorized)
Right, and since the online Garfields have unique colours, and future licensees can't just use them. They'd need to put in the effort to re-colourize, or pay the site for their colourized versions too.
The new copyright only applies if the derivative work was created with permission
Sure sounds like derivative works and that infamous JJ 25% different Trek & Wars.
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/04/star-trek-discoverys-vers...
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/04/star-trek-discoverys-vers...
Going full meta, I can easily imagine this being a Star Trek episode:
We're presented with an alternate future where Starfleet flies blocky and predominantly green ships (instead of the usual saucer + nacelles, white/gray with touches of blue, red and orange designs), and there's no Federation. In the course of the episode, the temporal agents investigating the alteration discover that the culprit is a data cache that traveled few decades into the past and landed on the lap of a particularly entrepreneurial Ferengi, who proceeded to register patents and trademarks with relevant planetary governments just as crucial technologies and iconic designs were about to be created - ensuring his own riches, at the expense of the fate of the quadrant.
We're presented with an alternate future where Starfleet flies blocky and predominantly green ships (instead of the usual saucer + nacelles, white/gray with touches of blue, red and orange designs), and there's no Federation. In the course of the episode, the temporal agents investigating the alteration discover that the culprit is a data cache that traveled few decades into the past and landed on the lap of a particularly entrepreneurial Ferengi, who proceeded to register patents and trademarks with relevant planetary governments just as crucial technologies and iconic designs were about to be created - ensuring his own riches, at the expense of the fate of the quadrant.
I’d pay to watch Data clueless dealing with that. Brilliant!
One of the strangest things to me when I was a kid, was reading the comics at my aunt's house. They lived in a different town, got a different newspaper, and the comics were different.
The big ones like Beetle Bailey, Garfield, Family Circus, they were all there. But some of the smaller ones were missing. And there were other comics I never heard of.
None of them were the same size or on the same pages. We had Peanuts on the front page. They got a tiny version of Hal and Lois. But the oddest thing is that some of the comics were in a vertical instead of horizontal format. Then my dad explained syndication and editors and all that stuff flew right over my 10 year old head
The big ones like Beetle Bailey, Garfield, Family Circus, they were all there. But some of the smaller ones were missing. And there were other comics I never heard of.
None of them were the same size or on the same pages. We had Peanuts on the front page. They got a tiny version of Hal and Lois. But the oddest thing is that some of the comics were in a vertical instead of horizontal format. Then my dad explained syndication and editors and all that stuff flew right over my 10 year old head
I started subscribing to the Seattle Times Sunday paper a few years ago. Comics section is a nice bonus, although I generally don't like their selection. For instance, the top comic is For Better or For Worse. Setting aside the fact that I've never felt any attachment to this comic, I don't understand why a comic that's been in re-runs since 2008 gets top billing.
Oh and the worst part is they use a logo for the strip Candorville that has a big ugly QR code in the middle of it.
I like Beetle Bailey, and I am not even an American, I've
just liked to roam local cheap stores where I live and
they had newspapes strips compiled into a comic book, it
was cool.
There was one based on a married couple with tons of
typical issues, I can't remember it's name.
The Lockhorns?
Andy Capp? That was the worst, which was probably why my paper put it in the classifieds.
Or Blondie?
That's probably more like it. The Lockhorns seem to dislike eachother most of the time.
Sally Forth? Luann?
Love Is? Pluggers? Mallard Fillmore?
I was always under the impression that the only romantic entanglement in Mallard Fillmore's life was "owning the libs".
Yes, Blondie. Thanks.
Hagar the Horrible? You want your man to just stay home and solve some bugs in the garbage disposal's code, and he goes pillaging and plundering. Typical.
Is it.. is it the Family Circus?
The "ultra-bright" color palette used for those online strips looks to me like the standard one that came with the original Paintbrush[1] in Windows 3.11 (and, probably, in other graphic tools of that time).
I bet that this palette was chosen around that time, and it simply remained in place due to either consistency or lazyness (aka "if it's not broke, don't fix it").
[1] https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2b893e004a57aa11221c4a...
I bet that this palette was chosen around that time, and it simply remained in place due to either consistency or lazyness (aka "if it's not broke, don't fix it").
[1] https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2b893e004a57aa11221c4a...
I booted up PCJS's Windows 3.10 image to have a better look. See here... https://i.imgur.com/l4WP44R.png
The image uses the CGA color palette (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Graphics_Adapter#Color_p...) of 16 unique colors (`identify -format %k pb.png`), the first 8 columns. The other 6 columns are dithered colors.
The image uses the CGA color palette (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Graphics_Adapter#Color_p...) of 16 unique colors (`identify -format %k pb.png`), the first 8 columns. The other 6 columns are dithered colors.
Close, but no. Windows does not use the CGA/EGA palette (unless started in EGA mode, which is a thing that can be done)
The Windows 16-color palette is based on pure, fully saturated colors (i.e. red is 255/0/0, lime green is 0/255/0, cyan is 0/255/255, etc) while the CGA/EGA hardware palette is a little bit softer and less saturated, as in your Wikipedia link.
It also seems like your screenshot does not represent the true 16-color palette that Windows 3.x actually used. I have no idea what's going on with PCJS or what manner of weird graphics driver it's emulating but this is not what Windows 3 generally looked like if you had a VGA card. The first row does not have the correct color values, and the second row should be visibly darker. The difference between the lighter and darker blue is very small in your screenshot, for instance. This is not correct.
This screenshot shows the true default Windows VGA palette (in true color mode, so the rightmost columns are not dithered): https://i.imgur.com/YR37uSO.png
EDIT: I had to investigate. Yes, PCJS is doing some kind of weird color mangling and does not display the real color values. You can see in this screenshot I just took that what Windows running in PCJS considers to be pure green is actually not that. https://i.imgur.com/SpUJI8x.png
EDIT 2: For the sake of completeness, the following screenshot shows Windows 3.0 running in actual EGA mode. This was a very rare sight even back in the day since most hardware powerful enough to run Windows 3 satisfactorily would have had VGA/SVGA. Regardless, it is doable. You can see that the titlebar color is very different from the default VGA one. The default EGA fonts are also quite different and are a rare sight. https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/6245486/41811800-6...
The Windows 16-color palette is based on pure, fully saturated colors (i.e. red is 255/0/0, lime green is 0/255/0, cyan is 0/255/255, etc) while the CGA/EGA hardware palette is a little bit softer and less saturated, as in your Wikipedia link.
It also seems like your screenshot does not represent the true 16-color palette that Windows 3.x actually used. I have no idea what's going on with PCJS or what manner of weird graphics driver it's emulating but this is not what Windows 3 generally looked like if you had a VGA card. The first row does not have the correct color values, and the second row should be visibly darker. The difference between the lighter and darker blue is very small in your screenshot, for instance. This is not correct.
This screenshot shows the true default Windows VGA palette (in true color mode, so the rightmost columns are not dithered): https://i.imgur.com/YR37uSO.png
EDIT: I had to investigate. Yes, PCJS is doing some kind of weird color mangling and does not display the real color values. You can see in this screenshot I just took that what Windows running in PCJS considers to be pure green is actually not that. https://i.imgur.com/SpUJI8x.png
EDIT 2: For the sake of completeness, the following screenshot shows Windows 3.0 running in actual EGA mode. This was a very rare sight even back in the day since most hardware powerful enough to run Windows 3 satisfactorily would have had VGA/SVGA. Regardless, it is doable. You can see that the titlebar color is very different from the default VGA one. The default EGA fonts are also quite different and are a rare sight. https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/6245486/41811800-6...
Huh, you're right. Running Paintbrush in a Windows 3.11 image in QEMU yields saner colors (such that they do actually have 255s in them), but I think there's some gamma conversion at play still, and QEMU and PCJS have different views on that.
Here's the QEMU image and color palette: https://imgur.com/b1XGFB4 / https://gist.github.com/akx/f74b840f630fdc10219d9d5211a38c7a
Here's the QEMU image and color palette: https://imgur.com/b1XGFB4 / https://gist.github.com/akx/f74b840f630fdc10219d9d5211a38c7a
PCJS has some kind of post processing done to the output image. I needed some pixel perfect screenshots of Win 3.1 the other day, and the ones I took from PCJS were blurred (maybe upscaled?) compared to the ones I took of VMWare.
That's just the HTML canvas element and poor scaling. You can use your browser's inspector to clean up the `width`/`height` style attributes and add `image-rendering: pixelated`...
Most 386s only had EGA. Windows 3.0 was not normally run in VGA.
Guessing that was to suit 16 color EGA?
> I suspect that newspaper cartoonists who knew that 1/3 of their strip might get lopped off, or the panels reshuffled, from paper to paper may have a more inherent understanding of the work itself as being modular.
This was something Bill Watterson hated and eventually Calvin & Hobbes got popular enough he dictated that newspapers had to print the whole thing or nothing. That's why some papers printed it squished down to a smaller size.
It sure seems like he should have taken his work online. No format restrictions, publish on your own schedule. He was popular enough to blaze a trail for the new generation but he threw it away instead. That's his choice but seems like a missed opportunity.
FWIW if they printed comics as half page color prints weekly (and not just gag strips) I'd subscribe to that. As newspapers were dying they seemed to cut back on that sort of thing though.
This was something Bill Watterson hated and eventually Calvin & Hobbes got popular enough he dictated that newspapers had to print the whole thing or nothing. That's why some papers printed it squished down to a smaller size.
It sure seems like he should have taken his work online. No format restrictions, publish on your own schedule. He was popular enough to blaze a trail for the new generation but he threw it away instead. That's his choice but seems like a missed opportunity.
FWIW if they printed comics as half page color prints weekly (and not just gag strips) I'd subscribe to that. As newspapers were dying they seemed to cut back on that sort of thing though.
Taking a comic strip online in 1988 would have not been a smart move -- nobody would have been able to read it.
Waterson ended Calvin and Hobbes at the end of 1995; slightly early for moving online but not by much.
> In 1995, the Pew Research Center did just that, finding 14% of U.S. adults with internet access.4 Most were using slow, dial-up modem connections—just 2% of internet users were comparatively screaming along with an expensive 28.8 modem.
https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2014/02/27/part-1-how-t...
https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2014/02/27/part-1-how-t...
I can't tell where you think we disagree?
if 86% of households don't have internet, it's much too early for launching a comic strip, not merely slightly.
This sets aside the fact that revenue streams were not present for comics on the internet, as monetized webpages did not exist yet. He was paid by newspapers directly. It's an absurdity to give up 70% distribution and a guaranteed paycheck for 14% maximum distribution and no income stream at all.
This sets aside the fact that revenue streams were not present for comics on the internet, as monetized webpages did not exist yet. He was paid by newspapers directly. It's an absurdity to give up 70% distribution and a guaranteed paycheck for 14% maximum distribution and no income stream at all.
> monetized webpages did not exist yet
The first banner ad was 1994; By the end of 1995, when he would have been deciding to go online, internet advertising was definitely a thing people were aware of. On the other hand, Waterson hated advertising.
> 70% distribution ... 14% maximum distribution
These numbers are not comparable: 70% is the fraction of newspapers he was in, but not everyone got a newspaper.
> It's an absurdity to give up 70% distribution and a guaranteed paycheck for 14% maximum distribution and no income stream at all.
He was done with newspapers, so he was giving up that guaranteed paycheck regardless. His alternative, which he took, was retiring.
The first banner ad was 1994; By the end of 1995, when he would have been deciding to go online, internet advertising was definitely a thing people were aware of. On the other hand, Waterson hated advertising.
> 70% distribution ... 14% maximum distribution
These numbers are not comparable: 70% is the fraction of newspapers he was in, but not everyone got a newspaper.
> It's an absurdity to give up 70% distribution and a guaranteed paycheck for 14% maximum distribution and no income stream at all.
He was done with newspapers, so he was giving up that guaranteed paycheck regardless. His alternative, which he took, was retiring.
> Waterson ended Calvin and Hobbes at the end of 1995; slightly early for moving online but not by much.
Dilbert was the first syndicated comic online that same year. As for whether Waterson could/would/should have done the same, why would he if he was ending the strip anyway?
Dilbert was the first syndicated comic online that same year. As for whether Waterson could/would/should have done the same, why would he if he was ending the strip anyway?
Waterson talked about how he was unhappy with the constraints of the newspapers; it's possible that he would have found webcomics, with essentially no restrictions, interesting enough to keep going?
He also said he had said what he wanted with Calvin and Hobbes, and all that was left was variations on a theme, over and over again. Might as well end on a high note and be remembered, rather than just fade into the background, like Peanuts.
You have to love this HN crowd. Here's Bill Watterson being lectured on what he - cartoonwise - threw away and which opportunities he missed. More is better. He just never got the memo.
Think of all of the brand value he could have created and the engagement maximimized! Foolish Bill Watterson being a retired watercolor painter when he could have cornered the market on Calvincoin by now if he'd understood the market opportunity.
he did corner the market on those stickers where Calvin was peeing on either a ford or chevy logo..
AFAIK he never authorized any merchandise, so he likely never got a single cent for those.
I assume subsubzero knows that and is being sarcastic.
He authorized one calendar, one year. I've always loved and respected that he was able to stop & let the strip be the amazing thing it was. He declined astonishing money, for enough.
I never realized that he did this! I always noticed how the longer colour strips started with a two panel throw-away for papers that wouldn't print it. Was that still a thing after he demanded the whole thing be printed? If so it's interesting that he kept up the two-panel thing after that!
He got pretty experimental with the format once he had the freedom to do so:
https://i.imgur.com/ddU50.jpg
https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1995/02/26
https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1993/12/19
https://i.imgur.com/ddU50.jpg
https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1995/02/26
https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1993/12/19
Ohhhhhh ya. I totally forgot about those! I still have my books (as well as the collection) but it's been a while since I read the later ones.
Not really -- the format of the Sunday strips became a lot looser and more varied after the throwaway panels stopped being a thing. Compare, for example, these two Calvin-as-a-dinosaur strips, from 1988 and 1994:
https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1988/08/14
https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1994/01/30
https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1988/08/14
https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1994/01/30
Just two days ago, BC noted that two panels could be thrown away on Sunday. https://www.gocomics.com/bc/2020/11/22
Huh, I see that all the time in Wizard of Id and never realized the somewhat incongruous first panels were due to this.
> FWIW if they printed comics as half page color prints weekly (and not just gag strips) I'd subscribe to that. As newspapers were dying they seemed to cut back on that sort of thing though.
You might be interested in subscribing to the dead trees version of the Funny Times:
https://funnytimes.com/subscribe/
You might be interested in subscribing to the dead trees version of the Funny Times:
https://funnytimes.com/subscribe/
> after every strip he pauses, asks what happened, and then says, slowly and calmly, “Why”
Honestly, that’s usually my reaction to Garfield as well. The strips often seem like they don’t have a punch line at all.
Honestly, that’s usually my reaction to Garfield as well. The strips often seem like they don’t have a punch line at all.
You will love Garfield Minus Garfield: https://garfieldminusgarfield.net/
The commentary about the intensely saturated RGB colours vs the more naturalistic CMYK colouration is an interesting observation for me to see. There are a number of graphic novels that I considered purchasing but didn't because I wanted them to look more like the original comics. Graphic novel reprints published during a certain timespan thought it a good idea to go with semigloss paper and re-did all the colours to be super-saturated and dayglo like someone had visited a highlighter marker factory and was excited about the experience.
As an aside, who exactly was the target viewing demographic for Garfield? Garfield was never funny for me as a kid. Never.
As an aside, who exactly was the target viewing demographic for Garfield? Garfield was never funny for me as a kid. Never.
> As an aside, who exactly was the target viewing demographic for Garfield? Garfield was never funny for me as a kid. Never.
Garfield is Jay Leno in comics form. More about good cheer than actual humor.
Garfield is Jay Leno in comics form. More about good cheer than actual humor.
> As an aside, who exactly was the target viewing demographic for Garfield? Garfield was never funny for me as a kid. Never.
Are you comfortable sharing roughly how old you are? Or the era of Garfield comics you were reading, if you weren't getting them via a newspaper. I'm interested because I really liked Garfield as a kid, but now find it depressingly, cynically formulaic and boring. Obviously I was much more easily pleased back then, but I think there was a certain period when Garfield comics were significantly more vibrant and creative and varied than the rut they eventually settled into. I'm not sure whether the end of this period coincided with Davis farming out the creation of the comic to a sweatshop; my guess is that it predated it, but I don't know the exact dates.
edit: I'm not sure if it literally made me laugh, though, even as a child. I think I (somehow) enjoyed the world and the characters more than the punchlines. I read them in books rather than in a daily paper, which helped; an unfunny strip didn't have to bear any weight, you could pass right over it, take in any narrative/character development in a few seconds and move on.
Are you comfortable sharing roughly how old you are? Or the era of Garfield comics you were reading, if you weren't getting them via a newspaper. I'm interested because I really liked Garfield as a kid, but now find it depressingly, cynically formulaic and boring. Obviously I was much more easily pleased back then, but I think there was a certain period when Garfield comics were significantly more vibrant and creative and varied than the rut they eventually settled into. I'm not sure whether the end of this period coincided with Davis farming out the creation of the comic to a sweatshop; my guess is that it predated it, but I don't know the exact dates.
edit: I'm not sure if it literally made me laugh, though, even as a child. I think I (somehow) enjoyed the world and the characters more than the punchlines. I read them in books rather than in a daily paper, which helped; an unfunny strip didn't have to bear any weight, you could pass right over it, take in any narrative/character development in a few seconds and move on.
I'm almost 50. I remember Garfield in both the newspapers and in book form primarily. Bloom County, Calvin & Hobbes and the Far Side were lit however and it might be unfair of me to use them to contrast against because they were all masterpieces of creative genius. Maybe Garfield is best contrasted against other generic syndicated formulaic comics like Beetle Bailey, Hi & Lois, Hagar the Horrible, etc.
The problem I think with formulaic comics is that there's no vision after the original creator hands them over to someone else. It's just making sure they draw the same way, and don't say or do anything too controversial, oh that Garfield and his lasagnas, ha ha, etc.
The problem I think with formulaic comics is that there's no vision after the original creator hands them over to someone else. It's just making sure they draw the same way, and don't say or do anything too controversial, oh that Garfield and his lasagnas, ha ha, etc.
If that "certain timespan" was the eighties then what you are seeing is more that they used the exact same colors... which were designed to be seen on yellowish newsprint that sucked in a ton of ink, instead of bright white glossy paper that all the ink sits right on top of.
Over time people mostly quit doing that. Once it became reasonably easy and affordable to deal with a multi-layer 300dpi (or better, it's always nice to be able to have your minor mistakes vanish when it's shrunk to print size) file, and for that file to get turned into four CMYK plates, comics colors started to look a lot better than when everything had to be planned in watercolors over a xerox, then turned into those four CMYK plates by hand.
Over time people mostly quit doing that. Once it became reasonably easy and affordable to deal with a multi-layer 300dpi (or better, it's always nice to be able to have your minor mistakes vanish when it's shrunk to print size) file, and for that file to get turned into four CMYK plates, comics colors started to look a lot better than when everything had to be planned in watercolors over a xerox, then turned into those four CMYK plates by hand.
> Garfield was never funny for me as a kid. Never.
Agree, Although I really liked the Garfield animated show in the late 80's/early 90's.
Agree, Although I really liked the Garfield animated show in the late 80's/early 90's.
Reading the Sunday morning color comics was one of the highlights of my week growing up.
While many things are better, I feel that we’ve lost something in the modern world, in that each day pretty much feels the same as any other.
If we want special times in our lives, we now have to make that for ourselves. The world no longer provides much in the way of those intrinsic demarcations.
And I rather doubt printed newspapers will even exist by the time my future kids would be of age to read them.
While many things are better, I feel that we’ve lost something in the modern world, in that each day pretty much feels the same as any other.
If we want special times in our lives, we now have to make that for ourselves. The world no longer provides much in the way of those intrinsic demarcations.
And I rather doubt printed newspapers will even exist by the time my future kids would be of age to read them.
> The world no longer provides much in the way of those intrinsic demarcations.
I have the same feeling about many other things nowadays. Daily life just a few years ago was more structured. In my country, shops were always closed on holidays (often of Christian origin) and on Sundays. The availability of things was restricted: If you needed something on Saturday evening you had to wait until Monday. If you wanted to rewatch your favorite TV series, you had to wait until a TV channel decided to rerun it. News programs were only broadcasted three times per day etc.
And now with COVID and working at home, even the difference between work time and free time is blurred.
I know that these restrictions were mostly artificial and I am happy that I have now more freedom to do things when I want to do them. But it also meant that there was a rhythm of life shared with your neighbors. You knew when your friends were at home and you knew when the kids at school or the colleagues at work would discuss the latest episode of some TV series (because it was always broadcasted on a specific day of the week).
As you said, we are now responsible for giving structure to our lives. Which is of course also a sign of maturity.
I have the same feeling about many other things nowadays. Daily life just a few years ago was more structured. In my country, shops were always closed on holidays (often of Christian origin) and on Sundays. The availability of things was restricted: If you needed something on Saturday evening you had to wait until Monday. If you wanted to rewatch your favorite TV series, you had to wait until a TV channel decided to rerun it. News programs were only broadcasted three times per day etc.
And now with COVID and working at home, even the difference between work time and free time is blurred.
I know that these restrictions were mostly artificial and I am happy that I have now more freedom to do things when I want to do them. But it also meant that there was a rhythm of life shared with your neighbors. You knew when your friends were at home and you knew when the kids at school or the colleagues at work would discuss the latest episode of some TV series (because it was always broadcasted on a specific day of the week).
As you said, we are now responsible for giving structure to our lives. Which is of course also a sign of maturity.
If you're in the UK I find Private Eye to be an clever, excellent + balanced magazine if you're looking for something to read. Plus it's still nice to have things in print, and I don't think the demand will go away.
I don't know, Clough42 typically publishes a new YouTube video on Sundays that I look for on Mondays (because of our timezones).
Not quite so consistent lately I think, but my point is that even if things change and children don't read comics any more (is that even true?) that doesn't stop the new things having similar schedules or things to look forward to.
Not quite so consistent lately I think, but my point is that even if things change and children don't read comics any more (is that even true?) that doesn't stop the new things having similar schedules or things to look forward to.
I used to enjoy reading the “today in history” feature in the daily paper. I find the Wikipedia article of the day email is a good substitute.
Haven’t found a good substitute for the comics though.
Haven’t found a good substitute for the comics though.
There are plenty of good online comic strips. I have nine in my RSS feed and keep up with them regularly. I can give a few suggestions if you're interested.
while we're at it, you might also enjoy https://garfieldminusgarfield.net/
Similarly, you also might enjoy /r/imsorryjon [0] for Garfield inspired horror art. It never ceases to amaze me how talented some people are:
* https://old.reddit.com/r/imsorryjon/comments/gqxe91/the_forg...
* https://old.reddit.com/r/imsorryjon/comments/e607or/godfield...
[0] https://old.reddit.com/r/imsorryjon/
* https://old.reddit.com/r/imsorryjon/comments/gqxe91/the_forg...
* https://old.reddit.com/r/imsorryjon/comments/e607or/godfield...
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While we're at it, there's Lasagna Cat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh9oLs67Cw
I am positive this whole exchange happened on HN no more than 3 days ago
EDIT: 12 days ago, but still. I feel internet culture became somewhat static in the last few years.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25064671
EDIT: 12 days ago, but still. I feel internet culture became somewhat static in the last few years.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25064671
I didn’t read that thread, I swear
Hopefully there will be another flood before 2030!
There's a fantastic review of Garfield Kart Furious Racing on rockpapershotgun[0]
[0]https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/11/18/garfield-kart-fu...
[0]https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/11/18/garfield-kart-fu...
Or Square Root of Minus Garfield, which is about all sorts of wacky edits: https://mezzacotta.net/garfield/
The about page [1] has a bunch of other Garfield variations.
[1] https://mezzacotta.net/garfield/about.php
[1] https://mezzacotta.net/garfield/about.php
See also:
Square Root of Minus Garfield - https://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=1
Square Root of Minus Garfield - https://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=1
In a similar vein, https://3eanuts.com
Every time I hear of Garfield, I sort of end up thinking more of Heathcliff.
https://www.literateape.com/blog/brian-sweeney/we-need-to-to...
https://www.literateape.com/blog/brian-sweeney/we-need-to-to...
I've somehow passed by a lifetime of incidental Heathcliff comics without encountering one with a helmet.
If you like bonkers comics, you should check out Krazy Kat. The main characters are a police dog, a mouse that is a very accurate brick thrower, and a cat of indeterminate sexuality which sees the bricks as a sign of affection.
The cat is not heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or asexual. It changes from strip to strip. Also, it speaks in a verra verra raff lengwidge.
The cat is not heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or asexual. It changes from strip to strip. Also, it speaks in a verra verra raff lengwidge.
There’s a series of Pogo strips where they discover Ignatz’s brick lying abandoned and wax nostalgic about bygone days:
“This is the brick that made a comics legend! Pyramided it to the stars!”
“A square pyramid?”
“Well, it’s more oblong...”
“This is the brick that made a comics legend! Pyramided it to the stars!”
“A square pyramid?”
“Well, it’s more oblong...”
The same author wrote this wonderful article on Garfield.
http://wondermark.com/the-comic-strip-doctor-garfield/
http://wondermark.com/the-comic-strip-doctor-garfield/
I tried to fine-tune Deoldify (a neural net that colorizes old photos) to colorize Garfield comics a while back. The results after a couple hours of tinkering were promising.
I still think it would be an interesting project to pursue. There are millions of black and white comics from centuries of newspapers that are only in black & white.
https://twitter.com/braddwyer/status/1135630638374096897?s=2...
I still think it would be an interesting project to pursue. There are millions of black and white comics from centuries of newspapers that are only in black & white.
https://twitter.com/braddwyer/status/1135630638374096897?s=2...
There's nothing bonkers about this palette. To always color something in the expected colors is like coloring it in gray, boring, expected.
Also, real shades have color and painters know how to paint with peachy-colored shadows just fine.
Also, real shades have color and painters know how to paint with peachy-colored shadows just fine.
I enjoyed Garfield as a kid. It has definitely run out of ideas for a few decades now and is extremely milquetoast. But there are some classics. This was my favorite: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0f/9d/fa/0f9dfab0251ed0356321...
This seems to be a standard pattern. Most comics seem to do this, in some way.
I suspect that it's a trick to help keep the reader engaged.
I suspect that it's a trick to help keep the reader engaged.
I agree, and I was confused regarding the comments about the colors of the rooms in Garfield's house. The last pane even sort of implies it's "realistic", in that there seem to be two walls that actually have those colors.
For comparison: in this Italian Donald Duck comic, what color is the wall? https://imgur.com/a/WamFxpG
And what color is the sky in this Monica's Gang comic? https://imgur.com/a/ADvrozM
For comparison: in this Italian Donald Duck comic, what color is the wall? https://imgur.com/a/WamFxpG
And what color is the sky in this Monica's Gang comic? https://imgur.com/a/ADvrozM
The wall is colored "whatever the hell works with what the inker did", if you ask me. :)
Looking at your second example, I think the sky tone changes with mood. I can't read the language of the strip, going off how the characters look to me..
Blue - neutral mood Yellow - tension Purple - anger
Blue - neutral mood Yellow - tension Purple - anger
Yeah, I looked at it and this seems completely normal to me as someone having grown up somewhere (Norway) where comics were a far more integral part of the culture (US comic book artists often tour Scandinavia, as even newspaper strips often get monthly ensemble books in the Scandinavian countries, and some comics sell more in even individual Nordic countries than the US at times).
Comedic comics often do this kind of thing, though the specific patterns may differ. Especially coloured versions of newspaper strips because they were often originally published in black and white, and so there were often no clear guides on colour from the original artists and it's easier to then have the colouring follow some rough set of patterns than to spend time agonising over it, and focus of often far more on making it easily and quickly digestible than particularly artistic.
There's a reason Calvin and Hobbes was such a major revolution in the newspaper strip market - with few exceptions newspaper strips were not considered to really be focused on the art; it was about the gag. You had strips where the artist very obviously cut and pasted and reused panels multiple times, to the point where some strips included meta-jokes about how little effort went into the art of some series.
Returning to the colouring, Hagar the Horrible is one example, which while more constrained than Garfield, it took me just a couple of clicks to find examples where the interior wall of a house changes colour between panels back and forth with the dialogue.
EDIT: Here's a Hagar strip where that is particularly noticeable, as the background colour changes very specifically to emphasise an outburst:
https://www.facebook.com/hagarthehorrible.net/posts/-31-new-...
Comedic comics often do this kind of thing, though the specific patterns may differ. Especially coloured versions of newspaper strips because they were often originally published in black and white, and so there were often no clear guides on colour from the original artists and it's easier to then have the colouring follow some rough set of patterns than to spend time agonising over it, and focus of often far more on making it easily and quickly digestible than particularly artistic.
There's a reason Calvin and Hobbes was such a major revolution in the newspaper strip market - with few exceptions newspaper strips were not considered to really be focused on the art; it was about the gag. You had strips where the artist very obviously cut and pasted and reused panels multiple times, to the point where some strips included meta-jokes about how little effort went into the art of some series.
Returning to the colouring, Hagar the Horrible is one example, which while more constrained than Garfield, it took me just a couple of clicks to find examples where the interior wall of a house changes colour between panels back and forth with the dialogue.
EDIT: Here's a Hagar strip where that is particularly noticeable, as the background colour changes very specifically to emphasise an outburst:
https://www.facebook.com/hagarthehorrible.net/posts/-31-new-...
I agree. Generally speaking, I found it difficult to empathize with the writer's marvel for recolored strips, in sentences like "The notion that a strip might have been colored differently from paper to paper opens up a whole new world of imagination". Dude, this has been done all over the comic industry since coloring existed, there are entire series dedicated to doing exactly that to specific bodies of work. Sure, newspapers strip are their own little niche in many ways, but this is hardly unique or original in Garfield. I'm somewhat surprised a fairly famous strip artist in his own right (David Malki of Wondermark) wouldn't know that.
> You had strips where the artist very obviously cut and pasted and reused panels multiple times
The end-state of which, of course, is Dinosaur Comics, which is the same art [almost, 99.9%] every single strip.
The end-state of which, of course, is Dinosaur Comics, which is the same art [almost, 99.9%] every single strip.
I read a lot of old donald duck comics as a kid. The European ones made by Italian Disney and Egmont. The strips from the 70s were absolutely wild in their colouring, with objects changing colour throughout the story and with a palette would fit right in with an acid trip. Only half of the pages were coloured to save money.
So in my experience you're right. It's a very normal thing for comics.
So in my experience you're right. It's a very normal thing for comics.
Ditto in Spain with the infamous Bruguera comics (Mortadelo y Filemon are as known in Spain as much as Don Quixote, if not more).
Have an example:
http://museodelcomic.triguerostudios.es/2018/05/la-escuela-b...
Later in the 90's the colours got right and with far more tones, and the old comic books has been reprinted at least twice, and a lot of reprinted volumes today have a much better colouring and inking.
I mean, the exact same volumes, but with a far better colour pallete, a much bigger one.
Have an example:
http://museodelcomic.triguerostudios.es/2018/05/la-escuela-b...
Later in the 90's the colours got right and with far more tones, and the old comic books has been reprinted at least twice, and a lot of reprinted volumes today have a much better colouring and inking.
I mean, the exact same volumes, but with a far better colour pallete, a much bigger one.
Those colour shifts happened with cheap comic books in Spain in the 70-80's,
done with a crazy colour pallete with just consistency for the characters, furniture and the sky.
Those were in the Spanish slapstick comedy media. If any Spaniard read this, for sure he knows the Bruguera school.
And, yes, Frenchies, we copycated you several times.
I believe it has something to do with classically being printed in black and white newsprint. The colors selected in the color cartoon are actually just a mapping to different grayscale patterns based on the lightness/darkness level.
Those recolored comics seem to me clearly worse than the originals. Uglier, harder to read. Weird.
Ah, someone else said it was basically done for copyright reasons, someone had the copyright to the coloring alone somehow? Another case of copyright ruining things I guess.
Ah, someone else said it was basically done for copyright reasons, someone had the copyright to the coloring alone somehow? Another case of copyright ruining things I guess.
> I suspect that newspaper cartoonists who knew that 1/3 of their strip might get lopped off, or the panels reshuffled, from paper to paper may have a more inherent understanding of the work itself as being modular.
Perhaps, but then again you have Bill Watterson.
Perhaps, but then again you have Bill Watterson.
On a related note, does anyone know a good way to archive strips from GoComics? It's the only source for a huge number of my old favorites and I'm afraid that in another decade or two they won't exist online at all.
Additional Garfield at the moment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25198971
I just watched "07/27/1978" for the 5th time last night, and now I can't help but read this article in John Blyth Barrymore's voice.
Rather offtopic, but isn't RGB a very unsuitable color space for communicating with people? HSV seems like a much better colorspace for talking about color.
HSV isn't really its own colorspace, it's just an RGB colorspace that’s been twisted around.
If you want to communicate colors with people, I think your main choice is to either use color names (e.g. light teal, dark red) or Pantone.
If you want to communicate colors with people, I think your main choice is to either use color names (e.g. light teal, dark red) or Pantone.
While saturation and brightness (value is probably a weird term for most) are explainable and straightforward, even if you explain what hue means, I doubt most people would be able to intuitively reason about it. I use HSV all the time but I have absolutely no idea how a HSV colour would look like, over time I have an intuition about RGB though.
Where I was growing up though, most kids would have an intuition if you were talking about red, blue, yellow, which were the colours we used to paint all the time.
Where I was growing up though, most kids would have an intuition if you were talking about red, blue, yellow, which were the colours we used to paint all the time.
Huh, really? I find it much harder to reason about what 30% blue, 20% green, 90% red makes than about what 30% saturated, 20% bright green makes.
Just wanted to say I do prefer the more colourful version of the Wondermark comic strip at the end of the article.
Obligatory, must watch: https://www.youtube.com/user/lasagnacat
YES! There's a great Inside a Mind video where he does a deep dive onto Lasagna Cat. In retrospect .. Garfield wasn't that great. It wasn't groundbreaking or truly humerus. But you read the stuff over at Paws and they talk about it like it was the most inspirational comic strip of all time.
Lasagna Cat (specifically the weird 3 hour loop) is an exposition of that repetitive format. In a dark and silly way, it pokes fun at the hubris of Davis et. al.
Lasagna Cat (specifically the weird 3 hour loop) is an exposition of that repetitive format. In a dark and silly way, it pokes fun at the hubris of Davis et. al.
In 1994, the company purchased all rights to the Garfield comic strips from 1978 to 1993 from United Feature Syndicate, although United still holds the original black-and-white daily strips and original color Sunday strips. The full-color daily strips and recolored Sunday strips are copyrighted to Paws as they are considered a different product.
So maybe it's down to copyright law that the strips have differing colors (and that the coloring is chosen to be completely over the top to ensure it can be claimed to be different enough from the other versions owned by other companies?)